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Re: New York Knicks Medical staff - What gives? 

Post#21 » by KNIXFAN_83 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:52 pm

What about Kevin Love or Derrick Rose. Come on stop complaining. A big reason why the knicks with hold info is because the media blows everything out of proportion. Injuries are apart of sports. Thats why its important to be 2 or 3 players deep at every position. Which is something the knicks have done. Knick fans are always looking for someone to blame. If anything blame Chandler for no moving his feet to set a pick correctly. He half assed it and then got hurt. I honestly feel he will play game one because he walked off the court without a limp. I think they just were being extra careful.
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Post#22 » by prophet_of_rage » Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:00 pm

All teams run their medical reports through PR who spins it. They give it a generic spin to keep the media satisfied and give them time to investigate and protect their investment. Left knee soreness adequately describes anything from a bump on the knee to semi amputation. Sounds good doesn't mean anything. They just roll with it. That's why pop had fun with giving Duncan the DNP -- Old.
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Post#23 » by R-DAWG » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:02 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:And it has nothing to do with our medical staff. I think we are just snake bitten and cursed. Some teams never suffer big injuries. We always seem to lose key players at the worst time. And it's going to be killer even though it's the start of the season. Lose the first 2 games to BK and Miami and just imagine the chaos and depressoion. It's going to get very ugly very quick.


it has to be the curse of stern handing us ewing, and then checketts throwing ewing out the door. It's been downhill ever since. 2010 brought hope, but that disappeared in like 5 days when Lebron took his ego to south beach and we overpaid for amare.

I remember Donnie Walsh saying "the great thing about cap space is you don't have to use it all in one year". The he traded 2 picks and a top 10 pick for more cap space, which turned into Timothy Mosgov and crippled the team for the next 5 years by signing Stoudemire. People fail to see how disastrous Walsh's tenure was. He had a great plan, but the execution was absolutely awful.
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Re: New York Knicks Medical staff - What gives? 

Post#24 » by Thugger HBC » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:14 pm

All teams suffer key injuries.

Stat in particular got injured multiple times on the "praised" PHX staff watch.

They even allowed him to come back too soon and wound up injured his other knee due to trying to offset the pressure of playing on the micro-fracture one.

A young Joe Johnson getting hurt must be the fault of PHX too.

So does that mean the PHX suns staff sucks?

Derrick Rose was playing while hurt last year, o i'd assume Chicago's staff sucks.

The lists goes on and on....everyone suffers key injuries.

There is no curse, myth, bad staff....injuries happen on every single team in the league.
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Post#25 » by Retired_Doc » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:40 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:All teams suffer key injuries.

Stat in particular got injured multiple times on the "praised" PHX staff watch.

They even allowed him to come back too soon and wound up injured his other knee due to trying to offset the pressure of playing on the micro-fracture one.

A young Joe Johnson getting hurt must be the fault of PHX too.

So does that mean the PHX suns staff sucks?

Derrick Rose was playing while hurt last year, o i'd assume Chicago's staff sucks.

The lists goes on and on....everyone suffers key injuries.

There is no curse, myth, bad staff....injuries happen on every single team in the league.


I'm very surprised that many folks here are blaming the med staff. I sure don't. Injuries happen, period
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Post#26 » by lookabove » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:38 pm

This give list average days out for injuries from 2001-2011. Knicks 19th best out 30 team.
http://www.brewhoop.com/2011/7/21/21800 ... th-of-data

Sun where 2nd best and good article explaining why.
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Re: New York Knicks Medical staff - What gives? 

Post#27 » by nykballa2k4 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:17 pm

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Thugger HBC wrote:All teams suffer key injuries.

Stat in particular got injured multiple times on the "praised" PHX staff watch.

They even allowed him to come back too soon and wound up injured his other knee due to trying to offset the pressure of playing on the micro-fracture one.

A young Joe Johnson getting hurt must be the fault of PHX too.

So does that mean the PHX suns staff sucks?

Derrick Rose was playing while hurt last year, o i'd assume Chicago's staff sucks.

The lists goes on and on....everyone suffers key injuries.

There is no curse, myth, bad staff....injuries happen on every single team in the league.


I'm very surprised that many folks here are blaming the med staff. I sure don't. Injuries happen, period


Dude do the math. When have we had a team that had both talent and health?

Yea, injuries and freak accidents happen, but it seems it happens more frequently to the Knicks. It would be one thing if it were JUST Amare, or Amare and Shumpert, or Amare and JR, or Felton and Kurt, it is not though.

Right now we have Shumpert, Camby, Amare, Chandler all hurt. Of our "top" 8 guys, that represents 4 of them. The season has not even BEGUN yet. Yea, we have a deep team, but no other team is going through this decimation before a minute of REAL basketball.

Last post season, we actually had depth at a few positions. The only place we did not was point guard. Of course, 3 of the 4 important injuries our team suffered were to guys who played that position. Lin, Shumert and eventually Davis.

Clearly something is inadequate.
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Re: New York Knicks Medical staff - What gives? 

Post#28 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:25 pm

yeah, its totally the medical staff's fault that Shump and Davis blew out their acls and Lin wouldn't play


no, in total seriousness the reason last year that we had so many late injuries to guards IMO was a combo of the back to back to back schedules of the shortened season and, most importunely, D'Antoni running players into the ground in a desperate search for wins.

Lin played way way way too many mins and so did Shump. One could argue Davis did too for his age and injury levels pre-NY
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Post#29 » by nykballa2k4 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:46 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:yeah, its totally the medical staff's fault that Shump and Davis blew out their acls and Lin wouldn't play


no, in total seriousness the reason last year that we had so many late injuries to guards IMO was a combo of the back to back to back schedules of the shortened season and, most importunely, D'Antoni running players into the ground in a desperate search for wins.

Lin played way way way too many mins and so did Shump. One could argue Davis did too for his age and injury levels pre-NY


IMO a better medical staff would have players working on weaker complimentary muscles a la phx. Also players should have talked to docs about soreness. It should not have been ignored and abused. Play Toney Douglas in some end of season games. If there were concern for players falling to pieces, coaching staff would have played a deeper roster.
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Re: New York Knicks Medical staff - What gives? 

Post#30 » by Thugger HBC » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:52 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:All teams suffer key injuries.

Stat in particular got injured multiple times on the "praised" PHX staff watch.

They even allowed him to come back too soon and wound up injured his other knee due to trying to offset the pressure of playing on the micro-fracture one.

A young Joe Johnson getting hurt must be the fault of PHX too.

So does that mean the PHX suns staff sucks?

Derrick Rose was playing while hurt last year, o i'd assume Chicago's staff sucks.

The lists goes on and on....everyone suffers key injuries.

There is no curse, myth, bad staff....injuries happen on every single team in the league.

Figured I'd bump myself.

There is no issue with this, all teams have injuries.

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Re: New York Knicks Medical staff - What gives? 

Post#31 » by TheToothFairy » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:58 pm

Our youngest player has the worst injury, stuff happens. If hey don't rehab we'll them u blame the medical or training staff
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Post#32 » by lookabove » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:13 pm

Both Spur and Sun practice injury prevention and based injuries reports it seem to working. I don't see any evidence Knicks Medical Staff practices that.

To me freak accident includes a factor outside players control like flagrant foul. In game 1 of Miami series Shump Torn ACL with no player contact. Do honestly believe his knee was fully healthy at start game?

So I would put some blame on medical staff to start proactive monitor versus reactive.
Given age of roster I think high probability Knicks will have ton injuries and complaints that Knicks could not play at their full potential because of injuries.

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