OT: Alex Jones freaks out on CNN

[bballfanatic81]

Even though I do support more gun control, this man has a point and if he wasn't screaming the whole time he probably would've obliterated Piers in this debate. Piers kept asking for the gun violence statistics of Britain vs. the US, which would be irrelevant in the debate anyway. Of course gun violence statistics would be lower in a place with less guns. That's like comparing overall electricity usage in a place with no electricity. Alex Jones's argument was that it lowered total crime, which is the statistic that would matter in this argument.

it seems jones's "screaming" tone stems from his intense hatred of any person or entity that threatens the sovereignty and welfare of the US or constitution. a douchebag tone that no doubt turns off a lot of people, but certainly justified in my opinion. I can't blame him, given how he was correct about calling the imminent 9/11 attacks, and his other videos highlighting US government cover-ups and assassinating its own citizens, such as the great martin luther king jr. reading through this thread, i've yet to see anyone acknowledge what the king family had to say on their own website regarding their victorious conspiracy verdict. and yes, the verdict was based on scientific ballistics evidence that demonstrated james early ray could not have been the shooter the government claims.

[cgmw]

i've yet to see anyone acknowledge what the king family had to say on their own website regarding their victorious conspiracy verdict.

Oh ok, I'll bite.

I acknowledge it. I don't acknowledge the validity of any possible interpretation that results in some ridiculous and circuitous conclusion that assault rifles are a-ok.

[iceman23]

Its does not matter what you say if you are so rude and can not have adult debate.

Alex made a fool of himself like a 5 year old.

[bballfanatic81]

Bryant could've brought a few pistols & rounds of ammunition, and the result would've been similar. Same with the mass shooting sprees in the states. Take away all rifles-guns, and you'll still have the same nutjobs building bombs or inflicting damage with knives and other deadly weaponry. imagine the elementary school shooting with the nutjob using knives instead of a gun. the children still wouldn't have stood a chance, and nobody would've heard the commotion.

i'll always side with the constitution. mass shootings aren't new. see the texas campus tower shooting 50 years ago. the majority should not be punished heavily for the actions of a statistical few.

A person with a knife can be stopped. It's not like it was just kids in that building. There were plenty of adults that could've taken him down. Even if all he had was a pistol, he would not have killed nearly as many. Guns are killing machines. They serve no other purpose than to take lives. Why do people always talk about the Constitution like it's infallible? Like it was divinely inspired. The amendment process is there for a reason. Attitudes, cultures, societies, circumstances...they all change over time and the Constitution isn't exempt from change.

yes, a person with a knife can be stopped more easily than a gun. however, in the case of the elementary killings, would that have mattered much? locked doors, and the young children still stood no chance. heavy damage would still be inflicted. is the country going to ban kitchen knives afterwards? and what are children going to do against a pistol? what if he brought multiple pistols? with plenty of ammunition?

mass gun crimes are not statistically significant enough to warrant modification of the constitution. it's also not fair to normal citizens defending their homes from burglaries, potential murderers, rapists, etc.

[bballfanatic81]

i've yet to see anyone acknowledge what the king family had to say on their own website regarding their victorious conspiracy verdict.

Oh ok, I'll bite.

I acknowledge it. I don't acknowledge the validity of any possible interpretation that results in some ridiculous and circuitous conclusion that assault rifles are a-ok.

ok.

also, i wasn't using the verdict as justification for pro-rifles. the verdict merely helps to explain why so many like him have a "loud" and "yelling" tone, and shouldn't be dismissed.

[H_20]

First time I heard of Alex Jones, was around 2002. He had a documentary out called 9/11 The Road To Tyranny. He sounded so passionate and always provided "documents" to back up his claims so I instanally became a follower.

Years pass by and his claims still remain the same, which is that the NWO/Illuminati/Elites/German Death Cult/The Bilderberg Group/ Military Industrial Complex will finally enslave humanity, force us to concentration camps and eliminate around 80% of us.

This is the same stuff pastors have been preaching about for years even before Alex Jones was born. He tries to make his show seem secular but he is indeed a Christian fundamentalist.

The man never really offers any solutions to the problems he talks about and insteads tells his followers to buy his DVDs,sign up to his website and donate to him.

I'm not saying he's a con artist but his fear mongering and jumping to conclusions makes me question if the man is valid at all.

Occasionally, he does have some good articles but he can never control himself during interviews. This is a not a new thing, he constantly talks over his guests and followers.

This is the same guy who said the film "Machete" was going to create a race war. He had documents to back it up. Lmao

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[Starks1994]

Listen, wake me up when the Gestapo are outside my door to take me away. If you have inside info on what the NWO or whatever is called is planning, just keep it to yourself and let us deal with it then.

[kam_soluusar]

Never saw anyone with knives carve up 36 people easily. It is those stupid thoughts, "Oh, take away the guns, and they'll have knives or other weapons." of course they will, but so will you!!!! I don't think, in a generalised sense, that a lot of americans understand that the rest of the world laughs when they hear this debate. It's pretty damn simple, you take away the guns, and it makes it harder. We had the same problems with knives as well, you know what they did? Ban them as well. You can't buy an extendable baton without a police check, and a proper security licence. In Australia, the only "weapon" you can basically have to defend your home, is a Baseball or Cricket bat!!! (Me, I have fashioned a couple of old Cricket Stumps into duel sticks, I used to practice stick fighting.) Bad people are always going to carry a weapon, and that is what the police are for, "To protect and serve" I believe is one of your many varied police force's motto. America has the Highest gun crime in the world, the NRA has many Americans so twisted, so damn paranoid, that you have to have weapons.

I like Chris Rocks idea, just make guns available, but make Ammo so damn expensive, that no one will be able to afford to shoot anyone. Yes I know there are responsible gun owners in America, but do they really need an AK47, or AR15 to "defend" their homes. You can point to the 2nd amendment all you want, you have the right to bear arms, (Start wearing singlets all the time then!!!!) I can pretty much guarantee, you remove Automatic, and semi automatic rifles and pistols from sale, you will see a massive decrease in gun crime. It will make it harder for "bad" people to obtain weapons. Is anyone seriously going to rob a bank armed with knives? Even if they do, the police will take them down 10 x easier.

Also is this Alex Jones on Fox at all?? If he is, it makes my points even more valid. I wouldn't even trust a weather report on Fox.

[cgmw]

i've yet to see anyone acknowledge what the king family had to say on their own website regarding their victorious conspiracy verdict.

Oh ok, I'll bite.

I acknowledge it. I don't acknowledge the validity of any possible interpretation that results in some ridiculous and circuitous conclusion that assault rifles are a-ok.

ok.

also, i wasn't using the verdict as justification for pro-rifles. the verdict merely helps to explain why so many like him have a "loud" and "yelling" tone, and shouldn't be dismissed.

Here's how much I care about why Alex Jones yells -- .

The empty space after the dashes, before the period. Now imagine something close to the opposite of that empty space. That's how important gun control is.

[kam_soluusar]

I would also like to point out, that the American constitution is old. It needs to be more relevant to the current times. I point to the bible.

How many of you, are Catholic? How many of you eat red meat on Fridays? Use contraception? These are but two things expressly forbidden. Now how many of you Christians/Catholics look at that, and say, "What BS, they need to get with the times!" Contraceptives help lower the spread of disease, no red meat on fridays? what a crock. I am just trying to point out that you are following the edicts of a document that is over 300 years old. I am not saying "re-write your constitution." However I am saying, give the damn thing an overhaul. Hold a referendum on gun control. Take the power away from the government, and put it back in the hands of the people.

[NoLayupRule]

why in the world would anyone ever listen to anything this moron says?

why give him a platform?
hes a nutjob

[JoseChinga]

why in the world would anyone ever listen to anything this moron says?

why give him a platform?
hes a nutjob

He's definitely one of those dudes who would shoot someone for crossing his street. As a Puerto Rican, I wouldn't feel safe having this dude with possessions of weapons. I'll get mistaken for a Mexican and get shot, even though I'm 5"10 with an afro, if I get mistaken as black...same thing, I just don't trust fat old white guys who scream their points and wave the American flag vigorously. Alex Jones-types scare me.

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I don't disagree with everything Alex Jones says, but his presentation is awful...it's like biblical preaching, it's forceful presentation of information...not an invite.

But it's not healthy to pay attention to this kind of media, very bad for the spirit. We become Alex Jones the more we watch him.

[Never Wrong]

why in the world would anyone ever listen to anything this moron says?

why give him a platform?
hes a nutjob

That's why programs like Piers's show bring guys like him on, to reinforce their own agendas. No different than Fox News inviting extremist New Black Panther members screaming "kill all white people" on the O'Reilly Factor.

[AndroidMan]

i think most people misunderstand alex jones. he's not a crazed lunatic conspiracy theorist. he's just very adamant about protecting the american constitution and the rights of all citizens. when president jfk was still alive (a few days before his assassination), he gave a speech where he warned about covert groups inside his own government seeking to remove power from the people.

Here's the Kenneddy speech. I've pretty much memorized it by heart. Lame Stream media and our school systems don't want us to ever hear this truth. JFK was shortly killed after going public with all the shady **** that goes on behind the scenes.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8[/youtube]

[HarthorneWingo]

Just remember, when your constitution was written, that they didn't have tactical assault rifles available.

The right to arm yourselves, was not a progressive part of the American Constitution. People were running around with Muskett rifles etc when it was written. So if every American wants the right to own a Muskett rifle, well I think you'll find that gun crime may go down.

This is a very hot topic in Australia. Martin Bryant gunned down 36 people in Port Arthur, Tasmania. Semi Auto rifles were amnestied before a blanket ban. Serious penalties for illegal firearms in Australia. We've never had a mass murder/shooting spree since. Hell, I got in trouble from customs for trying to buy two airsoft BB pistols from America off Ebay. Plastic Toy guns are not allowed to be sold in black in Australia, that's how serious it is!!!

Bryant could've brought a few pistols & rounds of ammunition, and the result would've been similar. Same with the mass shooting sprees in the states. Take away all rifles-guns, and you'll still have the same nutjobs building bombs or inflicting damage with knives and other deadly weaponry. imagine the elementary school shooting with the nutjob using knives instead of a gun. the children still wouldn't have stood a chance, and nobody would've heard the commotion.

i'll always side with the constitution. mass shootings aren't new. see the texas campus tower shooting 50 years ago. the majority should not be punished heavily for the actions of a statistical few.

ON KNIVES - At or around the same time as the Sandy Hook massacre, there was a lunatic in China who also went on a rampage at an elementary school there. The difference being that many of the children in the China massacre survived.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2 ... fe-attack/

22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack


What was supposed to be another day of learning at an elementary school in central China instead turned to one of terror, as a man slashed 22 children and one adult with a knife.

The injuries were gruesome, and reportedly include cut-off fingers and ears, but this story had a different outcome from the massacre 8,000 miles away in Newtown, Conn. Everyone survived.

Private ownership of firearms is banned in China, making gun crimes rare in the country, according to the Chinese government’s official English language website. Pistols and revolvers are permitted for hunting, and only with permission.

Instead, knives have become the weapon of choice in China. While the United States combats gun violence, China has dealt with a spate of knife attacks in which the victims, while scarred, often survive.

-more-

I would also add that since Australia banned all assault weapons and tightened up their gun laws in 1996, there have been no killing sprees. Can't argue with results.

[AndroidMan]

Just remember, when your constitution was written, that they didn't have tactical assault rifles available.

The right to arm one's self was to protect one self from government power and abuse, specifically British troops being allowed to have qtrs in colonialist households. You're correct that the citizens didn't have assault rifles during the writing of the constitution, but what you are missing is neither did the government or anyone else. IF the government has the weaponry, then so should its citizens, according to the Constitution. .

[jdennis187]

i think most people misunderstand alex jones. he's not a crazed lunatic conspiracy theorist. he's just very adamant about protecting the american constitution and the rights of all citizens. when president jfk was still alive (a few days before his assassination), he gave a speech where he warned about covert groups inside his own government seeking to remove power from the people.

Here's the Kenneddy speech. I've pretty much memorized it by heart. Lame Stream media and our school systems don't want us to ever hear this truth. JFK was shortly killed after going public with all the shady **** that goes on behind the scenes.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8[/youtube]

Truth!

[HarthorneWingo]

Just remember, when your constitution was written, that they didn't have tactical assault rifles available.

The right to arm one's self was to protect one self from government power and abuse, specifically British troops being allowed to have qtrs in colonialist households. You're correct that the citizens didn't have assault rifles during the writing of the constitution, but what you are missing is neither did the government or anyone else. IF the government has the weaponry, then so should its citizens, according to the Constitution. .

Good points. But that all goes back to arming a well-regulated state militia which is now obsolete - like the 2nd Amendment.

[AndroidMan]

First time I heard of Alex Jones, was around 2002. He had a documentary out called 9/11 The Road To Tyranny. He sounded so passionate and always provided "documents" to back up his claims so I instanally became a follower.

Years pass by and his claims still remain the same, which is that the NWO/Illuminati/Elites/German Death Cult/The Bilderberg Group/ Military Industrial Complex will finally enslave humanity, force us to concentration camps and eliminate around 80% of us.

This is the same stuff pastors have been preaching about for years even before Alex Jones was born. He tries to make his show seem secular but he is indeed a Christian fundamentalist.

The man never really offers any solutions to the problems he talks about and insteads tells his followers to buy his DVDs,sign up to his website and donate to him.

I'm not saying he's a con artist but his fear mongering and jumping to conclusions makes me question if the man is valid at all.

Occasionally, he does have some good articles but he can never control himself during interviews. This is a not a new thing, he constantly talks over his guests and followers.

This is the same guy who said the film "Machete" was going to create a race war. He had documents to back it up. Lmao

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I def believe in all the conspiracies that are discussed and Alex is on point to an extent. I still have doubts overall regarding him and believe he may be a government agent spreading some disinformation at times. If these conspiracies really did exist, would they really allow Alex Jones to continue his radio slot?

But like I said, I do believe in the conspiracies and the wretched behavior of our government under control of Intl bankers and NWO/Illuminati. I've been doing a bit of research on MK-Ultra and believe it all. I just take AJ with a grain of salt. There's no way he would be allowed to expose them for this long without any repercussions or death.

[jdennis187]

why in the world would anyone ever listen to anything this moron says?

why give him a platform?
hes a nutjob

He is not a nutjob but he is eccentric to a fault. He is so passionate about his beliefs that he is pretty much useless in these type of debate/forums.