Did Michael Jordan use PEDs?

[GreenBack]

We're at the point where we must assume EVERYONE cheated. As **** up as it is.

[HotRocks34]

We're at the point where we must assume EVERYONE cheated. As **** up as it is.

It is kind of sad. But the stuff has been around for a LONG time. Longer than people think. Would say it's been in fairly wide circulation since at least the 1970's. I know that some of the old Pittsburgh Steelers from the 1970's dynasty era have talked about PED's being around then.

What Bill Simmons and Jalen Rose said about how it's amazing the NBA has no high profile cases of PED stuff is true, I think. You've got Lance Armstrong, A-Rod, Romanowski but somehow it hasn't made its way to the NBA? That just doesn't seem to make sense.

It's everywhere. I personally don't care a lot about it, but I think it's naive to think it's not in the NBA.

I don't think MJ used any PEDs. At least not while he was with the Bulls.

[Tubal]

Hard to say, but one thing is sure: Stern agreed to send NBA players to Barcelona under one condition - they would not be tested (anti drug) as other athletes. So it's pretty obvious NBA players at the time were using some illegal substances. But which ones exactly we can't know.

1. Do we have proof of Stern demanding that or is it another internet urban legend and
2. There could have been substances legal in the NBA but illegal in the olympics. We don't know how stringent they were with regard to each other.

It probably came from Grant Hill and Dream Team III

“It was actually pretty funny, nobody on the team wanted to be the leading scorer in those games, in the Olympic games. Because whoever was the leading scorer, ended up having to be drug tested.
And the reason for that is the drug testing process, you’d be there for two hours after the game. And so nobody wanted to be there and have to go through that whole process.
So if you watch those games and you watch the highlights at the end of the games, everyone is being super unselfish passing the ball. Because no one wants to shoot (laughing).”

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[Goldtop]

PEDs used to recover from injury faster should be allowed. As long as they stop using them once they are back to full strength and playing again, I don't see how it gives anyone an advantage. All it does is benefit all involved. The player saves his career, the team gets their player back, and the league makes more money having more players healthy and playing.

Like the Ray Lewis deer spray. Leagues keep talking about wanting to change rules to reduce injury, but then when someone does get injured they don't want them using things to help them get back healthy again? Thats hypocritical.

As long as healthy players aren't using them to gain advantages, injured players should be allowed to

[Goldtop]

I don't know if Jordan did, but its funny that ppl make fun of Lebrons forehead/hairline all the time, at the same time calling him a physical freak of nature, yet no one ever puts 2 and 2 together and suspects him of using PEDs lol

[lorak]

Derrick Rose admitted that NBA players (Team USA) are doping.

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/espnmag

In the May 2011, 16th issue of ESPN the Magazine, on Page 50, Derrick Rose was asked:

“On a scale of 1 to 10, how big of an issue is illegal enhancing in the NBA?”

Derrick Rose: ”Seven. It’s huge, and I think we need a level playing field where nobody has that advantage over the next person.”
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It's silly to believe professional athletes don't use PEDs. Especially after all that story with Armstrong. Money is simply too big.

[sportjames23]

Seriously, OP?

Mods, delete this filth, por favor.

[GreenBloodedC]

Let's accuse everyone who excels at something w/ cheating of some sort so that we would feel much better about our ordinary lives.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Honest question, would anyone watch a league that allowed PEDs?

[sp6r=underrated]

As competitive as he was, I'd be shocked if he didn't.

Agreed.

[sp6r=underrated]

Honest question, would anyone watch a league that allowed PEDs?

I have little doubt they would, people watch the NFL a league were people are 6'4, 265 lbs and under 10 percent of body fat. People watched MLB in the late 90s when players were flagrantly juicing. Cycling is dirty as hell. Most leagues do the bare minimum to catch guys.

[GreenBack]

Honest question, would anyone watch a league that allowed PEDs?

I have no desire to watch anything resembling NCAA hoops, so **** yeah.

I think there's some cognitive dissonance going on these days WRT pro sports and PEDs. No one wants to make the game less entertaining but everyone wants PEDs abolished.

[Goldtop]

Let's accuse everyone who excels at something w/ cheating of some sort so that we would feel much better about our ordinary lives.

[JoseRizal]

Not sure if topic is serious...

[tha_rock220]

It's incredibly difficult to be playing as well in your 82nd game as you were in the first game. Playing basketball for 8 months straight isn't something the body can do without help. Ditto for baseball. McGwire and Bonds were slamming homers in September like they had just started the season. You wear down as the year progresses. Now did Jordan use banned performance enhancing drugs??? I don't know.

I saw the NFL brought up, human beings don't as big as NFL linemen just by lifting weights. It's impossible. The same goes for body builders.

[TheKiteDesigner]

PEDs used to recover from injury faster should be allowed. As long as they stop using them once they are back to full strength and playing again, I don't see how it gives anyone an advantage. All it does is benefit all involved. The player saves his career, the team gets their player back, and the league makes more money having more players healthy and playing.

Like the Ray Lewis deer spray. Leagues keep talking about wanting to change rules to reduce injury, but then when someone does get injured they don't want them using things to help them get back healthy again? Thats hypocritical.

As long as healthy players aren't using them to gain advantages, injured players should be allowed to

There would be no way to monitor that and players would find any excuse/way to get to those allowed PEDs. I'm not on the naive train, I'm 100% certain that many guys in the NBA are on PEDs. People can claim whatever they want about players testing negative but it has been proven that many of best athletes in different sports have tested negative to later be found guilty of taking PEDs.

[doozyj]

Anything is possible I have to admit, especially after the whole Lance Armstrong ordeal. I would have bet my life the guy would never have used them, with how sincere he was. Anyhow who knows, but why the the spontaneity of this thread?

[D.Brasco]

Naming individual players is pointless. As competitive as most of these players are if they even had a hunch someone was getting an edge over them they would try to level the field.

Honestly i believe either they're all doing PED's or none of them are, it's that simple. It's like how lance is the scapegoat for ped's (and deservedly) but the whole sport was dirty.

[flashwade33]

As competitive as he was, I'd be shocked if he didn't.

Agreed.

No. I think MJ was so competitive that he would never do that to himself, he would never want to gain an unfair advantage over the others, his obsessive love for competing is on a higher level in a sense.

[doozyj]

As competitive as he was, I'd be shocked if he didn't.

Agreed.

No. I think MJ was so competitive that he would never do that to himself, he would never want to gain an unfair advantage over the others, his obsessive love for competing is on a higher level in a sense.

That's what the world though about Lance as well, not to mention the support he received after beating cancer on top of it. Michael had a history of making poor decisions with gambling addiction, being abusive towards teammates, in general he was known to be an **** so it wouldn't suprise me to think he cared mostly about winning and his ego. Or maybe not...Who knows.