To those, who don't believe in basketball IQ

[IamBBAnalysis]

BBQ is yummy.

Yeah, I'm getting Famous Daves for dinner now.

[BoomFizzle]

I would like to point out the importance of synergistic benefits which occurs when you have multiple high IQ players. If a team has multiple players who are smart, they generally coexist much better - they know when the others will cut, each knows where to rotate to and each knows the others strengths and weaknesses. Whereas if you put one of the Knicks veterans on a lineup filled with low IQ players, the impact they will have is far less. It seems to be a vastly undervalued aspect of building a team.

[og15]

BBIQ is why LeBron is a much better player than KD

Really? I thought it was his monster physical abilities... Lebron is a good passer, and props to him for improving his skills throughout his career, but he's no BBall genius.

Not getting called for travel and being able to play Fullback in a basketball court are his best assets, alongside good passing, tremendous athleticism, and good to great shooting.

It's always weird that people think Lebron has poor bball IQ because he's athletic. The guy is one f the smartest players in the league.

If people were disagreeing, it's because the term "IQ" doesn't actually make sense to be used as "basketball IQ". Basketball smarts would be more accurate than IQ

BBQ definitely exists.

Just as low turnover rate does. Idiots turn over the ball. BLAM, proof of BBall IQ. Javale video clips should be proof of that.

IN the 90s you've got MJ who'd average 41 PPG 6 assists in a finals series and turn it over only 3 times per game which is ridiculous... only 2 TO 36 PPG the year prior..... why? Bball IQ. , Pipp with low TO as well (overlooked aspect of how dominant they were as a duo was how well they took care of the ball part of BBall IQ)

or for an example now, players like Bron getting 28 PPG 4 TO in the finals... still damned good, all reflective of how well they take care of the ball. Why? Of course handles, but more importantly Bball IQ. Do you think that Melo would get 30 PPG and few turnovers? I doubt it. And I'm not saying Melo's a dumb player, but Bball IQ is very real and Lebron's one of the best. Turnovers are one of many examples of Bball IQ.

That's one of the reasons Paul has such value to a teams offense, generally for his career, he lomited his and his teams turnovers, but citing singular games is weird, everyone has high turnover games. Lebron for his production is not a high turnover player, and of course, that was one of Jordan's greatest strengths, he was better at that. On the other hand, guys like Durant, Westbrook are more high turnover players, and even Magic because he did attempt a lot of hard passes. Nash was also a high turnover player, but when he was at the helm, he suppressed the teams turnovers and took them on himself, so he was a positive to turnovers.

[BKAY]

Haha for some reason I knew tis thread was about Prigs. If you dont believe in BBIQ just watch Prigs. Always making the right play. dude embodies high BBIQ

His shot isn't inconsistent though he just rarely looks for it.

[bledredwine]

BBIQ is why LeBron is a much better player than KD

Really? I thought it was his monster physical abilities... Lebron is a good passer, and props to him for improving his skills throughout his career, but he's no BBall genius.

Not getting called for travel and being able to play Fullback in a basketball court are his best assets, alongside good passing, tremendous athleticism, and good to great shooting.

It's always weird that people think Lebron has poor bball IQ because he's athletic. The guy is one f the smartest players in the league.

If people were disagreeing, it's because the term "IQ" doesn't actually make sense to be used as "basketball IQ". Basketball smarts would be more accurate than IQ

BBQ definitely exists.

Just as low turnover rate does. Idiots turn over the ball. BLAM, proof of BBall IQ. Javale video clips should be proof of that.

IN the 90s you've got MJ who'd average 41 PPG 6 assists in a finals series and turn it over only 3 times per game which is ridiculous... only 2 TO 36 PPG the year prior..... why? Bball IQ. , Pipp with low TO as well (overlooked aspect of how dominant they were as a duo was how well they took care of the ball part of BBall IQ)

or for an example now, players like Bron getting 28 PPG 4 TO in the finals... still damned good, all reflective of how well they take care of the ball. Why? Of course handles, but more importantly Bball IQ. Do you think that Melo would get 30 PPG and few turnovers? I doubt it. And I'm not saying Melo's a dumb player, but Bball IQ is very real and Lebron's one of the best. Turnovers are one of many examples of Bball IQ.

That's one of the reasons Paul has such value to a teams offense, generally for his career, he lomited his and his teams turnovers, but citing singular games is weird, everyone has high turnover games. Lebron for his production is not a high turnover player, and of course, that was one of Jordan's greatest strengths, he was better at that. On the other hand, guys like Durant, Westbrook are more high turnover players, and even Magic because he did attempt a lot of hard passes. Nash was also a high turnover player, but when he was at the helm, he suppressed the teams turnovers and took them on himself, so he was a positive to turnovers.

I agree with you that Chris Paul is a very high BBIQ player, one of the highest in the league. It definitely helps the offense.

Of course I still wouldn't consider him a better player than either KD/WB. Mentioning Magic was actually interesting because there's a rare case of a high TO player who had very high BBIQ... he just took risks.

I also think Ty Lawson is one of the higher BBIQ player out there.

Actually one aspect of BBall IQ that really no one in the league currently has is the ability to know where the basket and players are at all times. MJ and Magic were able to do this which was amazing (i have no idea how). Of course it's not an essential part of BBall IQ but still a very talented/awesome and helpful aspect. That's why you saw MJ making ridiculous passes out of traps, hitting shots without looking at the basket, etc. He probably forced himself to learn that when they were going nuts on him in the 80s.

[ManualRam]

the nuggets purposefully play a dumbed down brand of basketball. that's the style karl decided to coach this yr. i'd argue that that is the style he coaches every yr, but that's for another topic.

[moocow007]

Haha for some reason I knew tis thread was about Prigs. If you dont believe in BBIQ just watch Prigs. Always making the right play. dude embodies high BBIQ

His shot isn't inconsistent though he just rarely looks for it.

Pablo has such high BBIQ that he even knows where the overhead cameras are in the middle of a game to flash a smile lol.

[Tave]

Compare Gerald Green and prime Tracy McGrady and you'll see why basketball iq is important.

TMac was vastly more skilled at every facet of the game compared to Green; however, I wouldn't cite him as high-IQ player. He skirted by on natural talent and athleticism.


BBIQ is what separated Tmac from Lebron.

[ARISE_CHICKEN]

BBIQ is just a fancy way of saying work ethic. Most people equate work ethic with time in the gym, but time studying film is important too. It all falls under the work ethic/effort category.

[twinthunder3]

It's one of those intangibles. But definitely experience plays a huge role....look at Kobe Bryant.

[Jase]

See Tim Duncan's complete pwnage of D12 and Gasol last night as a prime example of basketball IQ...

I think you mean, see Tim Duncan since 1997...

[knicksNOTslick]

BBIQ is just a fancy way of saying work ethic. Most people equate work ethic with time in the gym, but time studying film is important too. It all falls under the work ethic/effort category.

I disagree. All are important but bball IQ and work ethic are completely different. Someone can have the best work ethic in the world, putting in time at the gym and studying film, but he might still have low bball IQ. Bball IQ comes with both nature and nurture, meaning you have to have played a lot of ball and been in a lot of game situations AND you should also have it in you already, like Jason Kidd has always had, anticipating plays and knowing where to be on the court. You have to be born with it and also apply in the game to develop a high BBIQ.

For example, a guy with great work ethic and works on his game a lot in the offseason is Amare. I wouldn't say he has great bball IQ, but he definitely work on his game, he developed a jumpshot and he's always in good shape. The dude works hard and puts a lot of effort in the gym. This season he even developed some post moves after learning from Hakeem. But I don't think he'll ever have great bball IQ.

Both are completely different.

[Charsace]

BBIQ is just a fancy way of saying work ethic. Most people equate work ethic with time in the gym, but time studying film is important too. It all falls under the work ethic/effort category.

I disagree. All are important but bball IQ and work ethic are completely different. Someone can have the best work ethic in the world, putting in time at the gym and studying film, but he might still have low bball IQ. Bball IQ comes with both nature and nurture, meaning you have to have played a lot of ball and been in a lot of game situations AND you should also have it in you already, like Jason Kidd has always had, anticipating plays and knowing where to be on the court. You have to be born with it and also apply in the game to develop a high BBIQ.

For example, a guy with great work ethic and works on his game a lot in the offseason is Amare. I wouldn't say he has great bball IQ, but he definitely work on his game, he developed a jumpshot and he's always in good shape. The dude works hard and puts a lot of effort in the gym. This season he even developed some post moves after learning from Hakeem. But I don't think he'll ever have great bball IQ.

Both are completely different.

Amare has great offensive iq. He is always in good spots on offense. His defensive iq is the problem. In general Amare is really intelligent. Is overall iq is why the Suns drafted hiim higher than most people thought he would go.

[knicksNOTslick]

BBIQ is just a fancy way of saying work ethic. Most people equate work ethic with time in the gym, but time studying film is important too. It all falls under the work ethic/effort category.

I disagree. All are important but bball IQ and work ethic are completely different. Someone can have the best work ethic in the world, putting in time at the gym and studying film, but he might still have low bball IQ. Bball IQ comes with both nature and nurture, meaning you have to have played a lot of ball and been in a lot of game situations AND you should also have it in you already, like Jason Kidd has always had, anticipating plays and knowing where to be on the court. You have to be born with it and also apply in the game to develop a high BBIQ.

For example, a guy with great work ethic and works on his game a lot in the offseason is Amare. I wouldn't say he has great bball IQ, but he definitely work on his game, he developed a jumpshot and he's always in good shape. The dude works hard and puts a lot of effort in the gym. This season he even developed some post moves after learning from Hakeem. But I don't think he'll ever have great bball IQ.

Both are completely different.

Amare has great offensive iq. He is always in good spots on offense. His defensive iq is the problem. In general Amare is really intelligent. Is overall iq is why the Suns drafted hiim higher than most people thought he would go.

That's arguable. Maybe on the Suns when he's playing with a great PG. But Amare's IQ isn't that high. At times, he forces the issue and he doesn't know when to pass it out. He's great when he plays within his limits though.

[aporel18]

The use of the term BBIQ should be reserved to situations where the player shows an above average ability in knowing what the opponent are going to do, out of their knowledge of the game, of the rival playbook.

I don't know if Magic was a genius, although he looked like one. What Magic had in tons was court vision, but his career as an analyst shows poor awareness of the game. He was also a terrific ballhandler, excellent passer... but BBIQ? not so sure.

MJ could hang in the air longer than anyone, had moves that killed, and was a fierce competitor, the ultimate winner and a terrible teammate... but come on, his physical tools allowed him more margin for mistakes than anyone else. And his FO career is terrible enough to expose his knowledge of the game.

Kobe is MJ-lite, in every aspect. He's weaker in the winner/terrible teammate category, and his chucking powers show he's not a basketball genius. But he's a great player, just not that intelligent.

Chris Paul has it all, he's a great defender, he's got court vision, ballhandling, shooting, and the ability to take over a game not with his physical abilities, but setting the tempo of the game, finding the opponent's weaknesses and even scoring despite playing amongst trees. He's a high BBIQ player, and if it wasn't for the flopping, there would be nothing to hate on him.

Prigioni is smart, he's survived out of veteran tricks for years, and it's working perfectly this year (maybe it's because my Celtic guards are playing like knuckleheads, but he's looking better in the NBA than in his last 3 seasons in Europe. Big props to him). You can see he's just doing what Kidd does, think ahead of the play and use his BBIQ to get an advantage over allegedly faster, younger players.

KD is still a mistery to me, we'll see what happens without Westchuck. He was amazing in the 2010 World Championships, dominating every aspect of the game, but with OKC I haven't seen him taking over games. He's an amazing scorer, and he's improving his game, but he might lack determination or BBIQ. We'll see.

LeBron is a genius? It took him 8 seasons to figure out he should try to play inside. His marketing IQ is huge, though, as his PR people is feeding us his "student of the game and it's history" fake character. It's amazing how he can play almost anywhere on the court being 6'8 260lbs, but he relies in his physical superiority to make plays. He's allowed to play fullback with the ball in his hands, offensive fouls and travel are allowed, so most the time the guy don't turn the ball over and he can't miss a shot. If he had to adjust to everyone else's rules, he might prove he's that basketball Einstein, but for 10 years we haven't seen that.

On the other hand, Tim Duncan is a basketball genius, and I hope he becomes a coach/GM in a few years. He will be able to play until he wants, because of this. John Stockton was a genius, too. Larry Legend was the greatest shooter, but he also had the highest BBIQ of his era. The guy could do it all, and in his last season, with his back injuries killing him, was able to achieve 20pts/9.6rbs/6.8ast, with shooting pcts. of 46/40/90. Larry hasn't done bad as coach/GM, so his knowledge of the game is undoubted. Chris Mullin looked slow on the court, but his hands/mind were lightning fast. And my favorite is the GOAT Bill Russell, who mastered the mind games and was able to survive the most dominant offensive force of all time in Wilt Chamberlain (he couldn't be stopped).
I didn't see Jerry West play, but he's shown he's a heck of a basketball mind.

[tsherkin]

How you grasp plays, timing, court awareness/vision, those things are part of what you might call bball IQ. You can do well on one end, the other or both. D is more about hustle and following a good scheme than bball IQ, though. Time on tape, teammate support, etc.

That, skills and athleticism are ALL important. It's also important to separate awareness from approach. Kobe is not stupid, he's stubborn. He grasped the triangle very quickly, he just has trust issues. That isn't stupid, though it is a flaw, just as one example.

[King d]

Two words: Andre Miller

[gumbyr24]

A better debate would be who believes in "clutch" and who doesn't..

I think almost everyone knows how important BBIQ is.. and if you don't then i'm not to sure exactly
whats in your brain..

[og15]

How you grasp plays, timing, court awareness/vision, those things are part of what you might call bball IQ. You can do well on one end, the other or both. D is more about hustle and following a good scheme than bball IQ, though. Time on tape, teammate support, etc.

That, skills and athleticism are ALL important. It's also important to separate awareness from approach. Kobe is not stupid, he's stubborn. He grasped the triangle very quickly, he just has trust issues. That isn't stupid, though it is a flaw, just as one example.

And overconfidence,there are smart players who are overconfident in their abilities and make what are technically dumb plays offensively

[E-Balla]

How you grasp plays, timing, court awareness/vision, those things are part of what you might call bball IQ. You can do well on one end, the other or both. D is more about hustle and following a good scheme than bball IQ, though. Time on tape, teammate support, etc.

That, skills and athleticism are ALL important. It's also important to separate awareness from approach. Kobe is not stupid, he's stubborn. He grasped the triangle very quickly, he just has trust issues. That isn't stupid, though it is a flaw, just as one example.

Defense is all iq. Prime example, Javale McGee. He tries his hardest but he has no idea of how to play defense and he just super horrible because of it. Meanwhile on offense a player like Iman Shumpert has a low iq but he's very effective because he has no ego and he plays within himself. Offense is basically knowing your role while defense is being able to learn tendencies of your opponents and teammates and playing while keeping both in mind.