How much of a risk you believe Bennett is in the lotto?

Post #21 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:20 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:Thomas Robinson part 2?

Ehh, Bennett is a lot more skilled than Robinson, but has far worse intangibles. Probably more like Bargnani or Beasley.

Ewwwww

HornetJail · Post #22 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:19 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:Thomas Robinson part 2?

Ehh, Bennett is a lot more skilled than Robinson, but has far worse intangibles. Probably more like Bargnani or Beasley.

Even that is questionable. I'd rather trade the 4th pick for Robinson than select Bennett with that pick, if that gives you any idea. In case it wasn't clear, 4th for Robinson is no-go.

Golabki · Post #23 » by **Golabki** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:04 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:He screams a more offensive-minded Jason Maxiell/DeJuan Blair.

What on earth does this mean?

Golabki · Post #24 » by **Golabki** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:06 pm

Yuri Vaultin wrote:Thomas Robinson part 2?

How is Robinson similar to Bennett?

Post #25 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:12 pm

Golabki wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:Thomas Robinson part 2?

How is Robinson similar to Bennett?

Simply meant as far as being the highly touted big that goes top 6 and looks like a bust in his first season.

Post #26 » by **BrooklynBulls** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:18 pm

What really concerns me is the guy just won't pass. At all. That's frightening for a guy who likes to attack from the perimeter. Muhammed has me similarly concerned. The whole point of guys like them is they can draw D and cause rotations and a quick pass can lead to dunks or 3's. If they're just driving to finish...they'll find the shotblocking talent in the NBA more than sufficient to discourage them.

knicksfan84 · Post #27 » by **knicksfan84** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:07 pm

KembaWalker wrote:people really believe that he will be a bust just because Derrick Williams hasn't been a star, and Michael Beasley is an idiot loser. they completely ignore all the great 3/4 swingers in the league, including the two current best players in the league in LeBron and Durant and even Melo . before anyone spazzes out, I'm not saying Bennett is on that level. But its just unfair to only bring up the guys that bust and act like that means nobody can succeed as a 3/4 tweener. they do, ALL THE TIME. and its not like its a boom or bust thing either, he may not turn into Melo but that doesn't automatically make him Michael Beasley either like people always say. there are plenty of guys inbetween that have succeeded to a level like Al Harrington or Antawn Jamison

Wow. For starters, there's a difference between players who are tweeners and players who posses versatility. Lebron and Melo aren't tweeners. They possess the size, athletic ability and skill set of a small forward. What makes them elite, is they also have the size of some power forwards. That's called versatility. Guys like Derrick Williams and Anthony Bennett are considered tweeners, because they lack either the size, athletic ability or skill set of a prototypical SF and/or PF.

Jamison is a great example of a tweener that worked out, Lebron, Melo, Durant, not so much.

KembaWalker · Post #28 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:21 pm

knicksfan84 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:people really believe that he will be a bust just because Derrick Williams hasn't been a star, and Michael Beasley is an idiot loser. they completely ignore all the great 3/4 swingers in the league, including the two current best players in the league in LeBron and Durant and even Melo . before anyone spazzes out, I'm not saying Bennett is on that level. But its just unfair to only bring up the guys that bust and act like that means nobody can succeed as a 3/4 tweener. they do, ALL THE TIME. and its not like its a boom or bust thing either, he may not turn into Melo but that doesn't automatically make him Michael Beasley either like people always say. there are plenty of guys inbetween that have succeeded to a level like Al Harrington or Antawn Jamison

Wow. For starters, there's a difference between players who are tweeners and players who posses versatility. Lebron and Melo aren't tweeners. They possess the size, athletic ability and skill set of a small forward. What makes them elite, is they also have the size of some power forwards. That's called versatility. Guys like Derrick Williams and Anthony Bennett are considered tweeners, because they lack either the size, athletic ability or skill set of a prototypical SF and/or PF.

Jamison is a great example of a tweener that worked out, Lebron, Melo, Durant, not so much.

Yes, the tweeners that end up being good players end up being called "versatile" the ones who don't end up called "tweeners." The word used to have a meaning beyond a derisive insult but thats all is now. If you are insinuating that Bennett does not have the ballhandling or speed to play SF you might wanna do some research. He dribbles the ball very well and his speed is downplayed because of his endormorphic body type.

ManualRam · Post #29 » by **ManualRam** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:26 pm

i researched it. he doesn't have the ball-handling or speed to play SF.

knicksfan84 · Post #30 » by **knicksfan84** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:27 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Yes, the tweeners that end up being good players end up being called "versatile" the ones who don't end up called "tweeners." The word used to have a meaning beyond a derisive insult but thats all is now. If you are insinuating that Bennett does not have the ballhandling or speed to play SF you might wanna do some research. He dribbles the ball very well and his speed is downplayed because of his endormorphic body type.

Ball handling, yea. But when it comes to speed, quickness and explosiveness, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

No-Man · Post #31 » by **No-Man** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:28 pm

It depends on where he's picked, he's a risk in the top3.

A reasonable one in the top5, a bargain in the 5-10 range, and a steal in the late lotto, 10-14.

It depends on what team pick him too, I can see him developing nicely in Washington, Charlotte, Phoenix, and being terrible in NOLA, Sacramento, Detroit or Minnesota.

knicksfan84 · Post #32 » by **knicksfan84** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:31 pm

ManualRam wrote:i researched it. he doesn't have the ball-handling or speed to play SF.

a lot of SFs can't handle the rock as well as Bennett, but they at least have the quickness needed to defend other 3s.

I just don't see how he's ever not a defensive liability. Even Jamison, who panned wasn't fast/quick enough to defend a three or big enough to defend a four.

KembaWalker · Post #33 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:36 pm

one of Bennetts biggest strengths is how light on his feet he is. people don't realize this. he's not some plodder

you can watch Boris Diaw shut down LeBron for stretches, does that mean he's a tweener? Couldn't blow by obese old Diaw? what I'm saying is, LeBron for example (also Melo, and also what Durant is trying to do) was a prototypical SF. Yet he has seen the benefits of bulking himself up majorly over his career. He's basically grown from prototypical SF size to what you would call "tweener" size since he's been in the league. It doesn't really matter if you're a good player.

karkinos · Post #34 » by **karkinos** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:09 am

bennett is definitely quick on his feet for his size. it's his motivation ppl question. as far as speed, i have no idea what his lateral quickness is. he definitely will run down the court fast for offense though.

richboy · Post #35 » by **richboy** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:48 am

Anybody know what Bennett standing reach is?

Bennett is one of those guys that can scare people because they see tweener. The fact is though he might be a SF with PF even Center length. That combination can be scary to play against. His feet are that of a SF but can play like a PF. Ben Wallace was like that. Although his strengths were on the defensive side. He had the feet of a SF but the length to play much bigger than his size.

Everytime I've watched Bennett I've thought he is a SF who has so much length he can play PF without problem. I really like Bennett. I didn't like Derrick Williams. He was talking about playing SF the second he entered the league. His game was never going to be good at SF. Just not enough ball handling and skill. He is a pretty decent player at PF.Bennett is going to be a tough matchup at PF.

Perhaps Bennett will turn out just to be Al Harrington. In this draft that still worthy of a top 5 pick. Especially if that is his floor. Harrington has been a strong rotation player who has scored 17-20 points per game in a few seasons. Is a career 17 and 7 player PER 36.

richn4 · Post #36 » by **richn4** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:18 am

Anybody know what Bennett standing reach is?

although his wingspan is over 7 his standing reach is "only" 8' 9"

by comparison Derrick Williams was 6'9" in shoes, weighed 10 lbs more and had a standing reach of 9' at the combine - and a pretty explosive athlete as well so... not good

However Bennett's got a far better handle and pull up shooting ability and with his quickness he will be a tough mismatch on O at PF anyway. That's the crucial reason he will do well next year IMO.

Williams was unlucky - he was drafted by Minny and had to play behind Love at PF and was miscast as a 3 - he can't play there - he doesn't have the speed to guard SF's or the dribbling ability to play on the wing

Part of the reason Bennett will waay better than Williams is that he will probably be drafted by Cha or maybe Washington and get all the minutes he can handle at PF where Williams might have flourished as well

HornetJail · Post #37 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:48 am

Golabki wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:He screams a more offensive-minded Jason Maxiell/DeJuan Blair.
What on earth does this mean?

It means he has a Maxiell/Blair-type game, only with more offense. Not bad but far from top 5 talent in the worst of drafts.

karkinos · Post #38 » by **karkinos** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:16 am

richboy wrote:Anybody know what Bennett standing reach is?

Bennett is one of those guys that can scare people because they see tweener. The fact is though he might be a SF with PF even Center length. That combination can be scary to play against. His feet are that of a SF but can play like a PF. Ben Wallace was like that. Although his strengths were on the defensive side. He had the feet of a SF but the length to play much bigger than his size.

Everytime I've watched Bennett I've thought he is a SF who has so much length he can play PF without problem. I really like Bennett. I didn't like Derrick Williams. He was talking about playing SF the second he entered the league. His game was never going to be good at SF. Just not enough ball handling and skill. He is a pretty decent player at PF.Bennett is going to be a tough matchup at PF.

Perhaps Bennett will turn out just to be Al Harrington. In this draft that still worthy of a top 5 pick. Especially if that is his floor. Harrington has been a strong rotation player who has scored 17-20 points per game in a few seasons. Is a career 17 and 7 player PER 36.

again
what good is your 7' wingspan if the guy who is 3 inches taller than you also has the same wingspan? this is the nba, not college anymore. the wingspan might take you far in college, but is not worth a whole lot in the nba unless you're the complete package. the nba is only the best of the best for physical specimens.

remember, wingspan only helps you compensate for your deficits. it does not make your a superior player. hence that is why most tweeners tread water at the nba level. few if any become as legendary as barkley.

Ice Trae · Post #39 » by **Ice Trae** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:08 am

I'm not really high on him tbh. I strongly dislike pf/sf tweeners who are too undersized to guard the 4 and too slow to guard the 3.

Golabki · Post #40 » by **Golabki** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:29 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
Golabki wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:He screams a more offensive-minded Jason Maxiell/DeJuan Blair.
What on earth does this mean?

It means he has a Maxiell/Blair-type game, only with more offense. Not bad but far from top 5 talent in the worst of drafts.

What aspects of his "game" are similar?
- Do you think he's going to be a good defender and rebounder?
- Do yo just mean he's got a roughly similar body-type?

If Jason Maxiell could hit 3s and score 15 a game, he would be getting paid >$10M a year.