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Re: 76ers Believed To Be Most Active Team In Trade Talks 

Post#21 » by Temuhjan » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:12 am

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holla3mikeg wrote:The main thing most are forgetting is that in order for this "dynasty" to occur, the right picks have to be made... Evan Turner was one the #2 overall pick. Now they're looking to move him for a top 25-30 pick. They struck gold with MCW, but they still need to roll about 3 more lucky 7's to be a playoff team, much less a "dynasty"

You're absolutely right in saying the correct picks have to be made. They need a dash of luck too. For example, imagine if OKC is left with Oden at 2nd overall in 2007.

Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, Spencer Hawes, Arron Afflalo and Mike Conley, Jr. are all better picks than Oden on a risk-adjusted basis in 2007. I will probably pick Oden with the 8th pick, followed by Rudy Fernandez and Tiago Splitter.

I do not know what gave Kevin Pritchard the balls to take Oden first overall given Oden's tattered injury history. He took his chance on Oden and lost big. GMs these days are a lot more cautious with injured young prospects. That's how Nerlens Noel fell to no.6 and Shabazz Muhammad fell to 14.
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Re: 76ers Believed To Be Most Active Team In Trade Talks 

Post#22 » by HotelVitale » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:28 pm

Temuhjan wrote: I do not know what gave Kevin Pritchard the balls to take Oden first overall given Oden's tattered injury history. He took his chance on Oden and lost big. GMs these days are a lot more cautious with injured young prospects. That's how Nerlens Noel fell to no.6 and Shabazz Muhammad fell to 14.


Oden was on a far higher level as a prospect than Noel. Oden would have been a surefire all-star if healthy, probably would've ended up all-NBA within a few years if he developed some. Noel was a great college defender who has a chance to be a very very good NBA player but an equally good chance of taking 3 years to become a reliable rotation guy. Oden was the best big man prospect in a decade, Noel was a top prospect in the worst draft in a decade.

Also, Shabazz fell because he was a middling, one-dimensional scorer with no standout skills and very problematic advanced stats. Never lived up to HS hype.
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Re: 76ers Believed To Be Most Active Team In Trade Talks 

Post#23 » by HotelVitale » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:33 pm

StopItDRose wrote:I think -- at least most of us -- will be surprised at the return the 76ers get for those on the block.
I wouldn't be surprised with a mid-lottery (think 7-10) pick for two of Hawes, Young, Turner and taking back some salary off these teams' hands. That's definitely worth it for a team that is looking to get into the playoffs.
Any fringe contender have some extra picks? Phoenix?


Problem is that there are only 5 picks that people are excited about this year, and another 3-4 that are pretty promising. Beyond that it's supposed to be an average to below-average draft. So getting a pick from a playoff contender--in say the 9-16 range--isn't any better this year than usual. Historically speaking those picks give you a slim chance at a great player (Pierce or Dirk spring to mind) but they are statistically unlikely to get you a guy as good as Young or even Hawes.
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Re: 76ers Believed To Be Most Active Team In Trade Talks 

Post#24 » by MRxBLACK » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:08 pm

Temuhjan wrote:
MRxBLACK wrote:
holla3mikeg wrote:The main thing most are forgetting is that in order for this "dynasty" to occur, the right picks have to be made... Evan Turner was one the #2 overall pick. Now they're looking to move him for a top 25-30 pick. They struck gold with MCW, but they still need to roll about 3 more lucky 7's to be a playoff team, much less a "dynasty"

You're absolutely right in saying the correct picks have to be made. They need a dash of luck too. For example, imagine if OKC is left with Oden at 2nd overall in 2007.

Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, Spencer Hawes, Arron Afflalo and Mike Conley, Jr. are all better picks than Oden on a risk-adjusted basis in 2007. I will probably pick Oden with the 8th pick, followed by Rudy Fernandez and Tiago Splitter.

I do not know what gave Kevin Pritchard the balls to take Oden first overall given Oden's tattered injury history. He took his chance on Oden and lost big. GMs these days are a lot more cautious with injured young prospects. That's how Nerlens Noel fell to no.6 and Shabazz Muhammad fell to 14.


Nobody on Earth would have let Oden or Durant drop from the top 2.
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Re: 76ers Believed To Be Most Active Team In Trade Talks 

Post#25 » by The_Hater » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:45 pm

Temuhjan wrote:
MRxBLACK wrote:
holla3mikeg wrote:The main thing most are forgetting is that in order for this "dynasty" to occur, the right picks have to be made... Evan Turner was one the #2 overall pick. Now they're looking to move him for a top 25-30 pick. They struck gold with MCW, but they still need to roll about 3 more lucky 7's to be a playoff team, much less a "dynasty"

You're absolutely right in saying the correct picks have to be made. They need a dash of luck too. For example, imagine if OKC is left with Oden at 2nd overall in 2007.

Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, Spencer Hawes, Arron Afflalo and Mike Conley, Jr. are all better picks than Oden on a risk-adjusted basis in 2007. I will probably pick Oden with the 8th pick, followed by Rudy Fernandez and Tiago Splitter.

I do not know what gave Kevin Pritchard the balls to take Oden first overall given Oden's tattered injury history. He took his chance on Oden and lost big. GMs these days are a lot more cautious with injured young prospects. That's how Nerlens Noel fell to no.6 and Shabazz Muhammad fell to 14.


By risk adjusted you mean the advantage of hindsight, right?

Oden was one of the best prospects the league has seen in the last 20 years and it's unfortunate what happened to him but considering that the only injury he had before being drafted to the NBA was with his wrist, I'm not sure how anyone could have seen the magnitude of knee issues that occured after he entered the NBA.

And Shabazz didn't drop because of injuries, he dropped because he was lying about his age and he looked very limited at UCLA.
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Re: 76ers Believed To Be Most Active Team In Trade Talks 

Post#26 » by Temuhjan » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:09 am

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Temuhjan wrote:
MRxBLACK wrote:You're absolutely right in saying the correct picks have to be made. They need a dash of luck too. For example, imagine if OKC is left with Oden at 2nd overall in 2007.

Joakim Noah, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, Spencer Hawes, Arron Afflalo and Mike Conley, Jr. are all better picks than Oden on a risk-adjusted basis in 2007. I will probably pick Oden with the 8th pick, followed by Rudy Fernandez and Tiago Splitter.

I do not know what gave Kevin Pritchard the balls to take Oden first overall given Oden's tattered injury history. He took his chance on Oden and lost big. GMs these days are a lot more cautious with injured young prospects. That's how Nerlens Noel fell to no.6 and Shabazz Muhammad fell to 14.

By risk adjusted you mean the advantage of hindsight, right?

Oden was one of the best prospects the league has seen in the last 20 years and it's unfortunate what happened to him but considering that the only injury he had before being drafted to the NBA was with his wrist, I'm not sure how anyone could have seen the magnitude of knee issues that occured after he entered the NBA.

And Shabazz didn't drop because of injuries, he dropped because he was lying about his age and he looked very limited at UCLA.

Do not take NBA GMs as stupid. Everyone knew about Oden's ailing right knee pre-draft but pretended he will be fine.

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