Magic- Pistons- Celtics

[Golabki]

I'd be somewhat interested as a Celtics fan. I don't think it's enough value because the pick isn't actually Denver's, it's the less favorable of Denver's and New York's and I see the Knicks pushing their way into the playoffs, which really brings the overall value of the package heading to Boston down.

But if you were to offer my Vucevic and a 2014 top 10 pick for Rondo I'd be interested. And I'm not one of the guys who wants to see Rondo go, I'd like to see the Celtics build around him, but that's pretty decent value if the pick was actually in the lottery.

As for the Drummond vs Vucevic debate: yeah they're both talented young bigs and can put up similarly gaudy numbers on weak teams, but their ceilings is what is the major difference between the two. Drummond seems to have the makings to be a legitimate building block STAR in the NBA. Vuc is really talented, but I don't see him as having as high a ceiling and while the numbers are similar, the difference between a real NBA superstar and the next tier below is huge and I think that's what separates these two guys. I wouldn't be willing to trade a guy who I thought had superstar potential unless I had to. It's far too rare to pick up a guy like that who seems to be living up to the hype.

i would compare Vuc to a slightly better offensive, worse defensive version of Marc Gasol. Talented, glue center who is a very solid player who puts up numbers despite never being featured on in the offense (behind AA, Nelson and BBD when he was here). When they do run plays for him, he has great nights. Is he a superstar, no. But i can easily see him as a top-10 center now and possibly reach top-5 with a bit more growth. No reason to trade that plus 3-4 more assets unless it is for an absolute superstar.

comparing vuc to Gasol is the kind of thing that makes me dismiss you as a homer.

Gasol is the best player on a top 10 team.

Vuc is a role player on bottom 3 team.

You might as well compare harkless to Paul George.


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[tiderulz]

i would compare Vuc to a slightly better offensive, worse defensive version of Marc Gasol. Talented, glue center who is a very solid player who puts up numbers despite never being featured on in the offense (behind AA, Nelson and BBD when he was here). When they do run plays for him, he has great nights. Is he a superstar, no. But i can easily see him as a top-10 center now and possibly reach top-5 with a bit more growth. No reason to trade that plus 3-4 more assets unless it is for an absolute superstar.

comparing vuc to Gasol is the kind of thing that makes me dismiss you as a homer.

Gasol is the best player on a top 10 team.

Vuc is a role player on bottom 3 team.

You might as well compare harkless to Paul George.


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what does the record of a team have to do with how a player plays and their style? I didnt say "Vuc puts up X ppg and Gasol puts up X ppg, so they are similar." They are both skilled players that rely more on positioning, BBIQ and skill rather than athletic ability to do their damage. They both have range from the outside on their shot and are good passers. Glue guys that most nights wont be the highest scorer but who's teams do better when the offense runs through them or they are heavily included in the offensive sets. Whether Vuc is on the #1 team or the #32 team, that would affect his pure numbers, but not his playing style.

Is Carmelo a different player this year with NY's horrible record than last year when they were in the playoffs? His style is still the same. Is Rondo now that he is back not playing the same style now as years past just because his team's record is bad?

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[MagicHolland]

I know i am in the minority, but no way i touch this for Orlando. Vuc has already shown ability and is more skilled and better offensively than Drummond. Add in a lottery pick, AA and Harkless, and Orlando having to take $4.5mil for Jerebko. No thanks.

That's pretty easy to explain since nobody watches the Magic play right now. I even expect some fans to not even watch their own team when playing the Magic.. Besides that Vucevic is a player that puts up great numbers without us even noticing. Sometimes I look at statsheets after the game and see another 20-20 game and just take it for granted.

I can understand other fans thinking this is a lobsided deal, I would love to have Drummond too. But this deal to me is not such a nobrainer. Most likely I decline..

They are both capable of having 20 20 games on any night. Drummonds potential is higher though.

I did not mean to say I'd rather have Vucevic than Drummond. I'd go with Drummond. But to say this deal is lobsided towards the Magic imo is incorrect. That's my point, people read Vucevic and think he's some kind of throw in but this is one of the most talented bigs this league has right now..

[Gomagic44]

I would consider this as a magic

[Gomagic44]

I would consider this as a magic

But I see tides points. Overall, I don't bite.

[KGboss]

You must be a Magic fan. Let's remove the trinkets.

Orlando gets Drummond.

Detroit gets Rondo.

Boston gets nothing.

Vucevic, young big man who is 1 of the top rebounders in the nba and the 10th pick is nothing?

Good to see that you're unbiased.

They don't need Vucevic. They already have young big men like Sullinger and Olynyk.

Terrible deal for Boston. Too much for Drummond. Orlando gets their knob polished.

[cl2117]

You must be a Magic fan. Let's remove the trinkets.

Orlando gets Drummond.

Detroit gets Rondo.

Boston gets nothing.

Vucevic, young big man who is 1 of the top rebounders in the nba and the 10th pick is nothing?

Good to see that you're unbiased.

They don't need Vucevic. They already have young big men like Sullinger and Olynyk.

Terrible deal for Boston. Too much for Drummond. Orlando gets their knob polished.

Olynyk and Sully don't play the same role as Vucevic though. Vuc would be your starting center for the future. KO is more of an offensive minded stretch 4 and I don't see him as a starter, more so a 6th/7th man who plays key minutes. Sully is a stout PF, who does a bit of everything well.

I think Vucevic would fit in nicely with those two (he is probably a better pairing with KO, but since Vuc has a decent mid range game for a big he could still work with Sully).

Still wouldn't give up Rondo for Vuc and a non-lottery first, but I think Vuc flies under the radar too much. The guy has some real talent, it's just hard to project where he could top out potential wise.

[irie]

You must be a Magic fan. Let's remove the trinkets.

Orlando gets Drummond.

Detroit gets Rondo.

Boston gets nothing.

Vucevic, young big man who is 1 of the top rebounders in the nba and the 10th pick is nothing?

Good to see that you're unbiased.

They don't need Vucevic. They already have young big men like Sullinger and Olynyk.

Terrible deal for Boston. Too much for Drummond. Orlando gets their knob polished.

I don't like Sully or KO as a center though. At some point the Celtics do need to get one to play next to one of those guys. I just don't think this is the deal for Boston.

[Laimbeer]

You must be a Magic fan. Let's remove the trinkets.

Orlando gets Drummond.

Detroit gets Rondo.

Boston gets nothing.

Vucevic, young big man who is 1 of the top rebounders in the nba and the 10th pick is nothing?

Good to see that you're unbiased.

Generally, teams don't like to trade major assets for nice, but lesser, pieces. That's why I don't think Detroit or Boston would be interested.