Most likely going to be better Wiggins or Noel?

[HeartBreakKid]

Wiggin's out of Kansas is already better than Luol Deng? What the?? Luol Deng would destroy the NCAA, Luol Deng isn't a scrub.

[Ruzious]

I'd like to have them both. Considering they're such different players, it's a worthless comparison at this point.

[Focus]

what the hell is the point of this thread?

OP asks a question that is inherently 100% speculative, but then slams every poster for "speculating" when Noel's injury concerns are brought up.

76er fans are fast surpassing Raps fans on this board for being the most obnoxious.

[Philly_3]

what the hell is the point of this thread?

OP asks a question that is inherently 100% speculative, but then slams every poster for "speculating" when Noel's injury concerns are brought up.

76er fans are fast surpassing Raps fans on this board for being the most obnoxious.

"What the hell is the point of this thread?"
The op just asked a simple question....lol
Just because you don't like this thread doesn't mean its pointless.
"OP asks a question that is inherently 100% speculative, but then slams every poster for "speculating" when Noel's injury concerns are brought up."
You and I must have very different definitions for "slam." How is pulling up quotes from a doctor slamming someone?
"76er fans are fast surpassing Raps fans on this board for being the most obnoxious."
The only one being obnoxious is you.

[basketballRob]

Tyrus Thomas dominated SL. One game he had 17 pts 7 rebs 5 blks 2 stls after 3 quarters before he tweaked an ankle.

[Philly_3]

Tyrus Thomas dominated SL. One game he had 17 pts 7 rebs 5 blks 2 stls after 3 quarters before he tweaked an ankle.

Could you please clarify? I'm having trouble understanding what Tyrus Thomas has to do with this thread.
Especially when you consider that Noel and Wiggins both didn't dominate SL... So could you please explain?

[basketballRob]

Tyrus Thomas dominated SL. One game he had 17 pts 7 rebs 5 blks 2 stls after 3 quarters before he tweaked an ankle.

Could you please clarify? I'm having trouble understanding what Tyrus Thomas has to do with this thread.
Especially when you consider that Noel and Wiggins both didn't dominate SL... So could you please explain?

If Noel ends up like Tyrus Thomas and Wiggins like Gay, I would take Wiggins.

[MountainDrew]

Tyrus Thomas dominated SL. One game he had 17 pts 7 rebs 5 blks 2 stls after 3 quarters before he tweaked an ankle.

Could you please clarify? I'm having trouble understanding what Tyrus Thomas has to do with this thread.
Especially when you consider that Noel and Wiggins both didn't dominate SL... So could you please explain?

If Noel ends up like Tyrus Thomas and Wiggins like Gay, I would take Wiggins.

Well this is just really flawed logic

[76ciology]

what the hell is the point of this thread?

OP asks a question that is inherently 100% speculative, but then slams every poster for "speculating" when Noel's injury concerns are brought up.

76er fans are fast surpassing Raps fans on this board for being the most obnoxious.

Because Noel being healthy is not speculative. His growth plate injury has healed and his ACL is stronger. Both injuries are non-degenerative and non-chronic.

Right now, Noel is more skilled than Wiggins, relative to their position. Despite being just less than a year older. Noel's number is also much more dominant than Wiggins' in college.

Facts not speculation, can back up that Noel is the better right now and is likely to be the better player in the future.

[moss_is_1]

what the hell is the point of this thread?

OP asks a question that is inherently 100% speculative, but then slams every poster for "speculating" when Noel's injury concerns are brought up.

76er fans are fast surpassing Raps fans on this board for being the most obnoxious.

Because Noel being healthy is not speculative. His growth plate injury has healed and his ACL is stronger. Both injuries are non-degenerative and non-chronic.

Right now, Noel is more skilled than Wiggins, relative to their position. Despite being just less than a year older. Noel's number is also much more dominant than Wiggins' in college.

Facts not speculation, can back up that Noel is the better right now and is likely to be the better player in the future.

What is Noel more skilled at for his position? He doesn't possess much for skill. Not a great passer, not much of a post game, etc. Wiggins has solid skills right now, and just needs to improve on them.

I think they are fairly similar, Wiggins has a higher potential because I don't see Noel becoming much on the offensive side of the ball. I'm also a little worried about his ability to guard 5's, and don't see him being able to space the floor enough to play the PF spot. I'd lean towards Wiggins at this point.

[sya]

Wiggins. But I think it is closer than some people would say. I really believe Noel will eventually become a 14-15ppg type of guy. He has a decent face up game, he seems to have developed a 10-12 ft. jumper. But I think Wiggins will be a regular all-star.

The main hit against wiggins is the lack of desire / killer instinct and the "poor" handles. Regarding the killer instinct, I think he will develop that over time, especially now that he needs to be the alpha dog in Minnesota.

As for the handles, it is very unfair for these stud SG/SF these days that are coming into the NBA to be compared to Kobe, Tmac, Lebron. The reason why scouts are saying he has poor handles is because he is being compared to those guys who are point-forwards. But how many SG/SF can actually say have the ball handling ability that wiggins has right now? I think right now he is a better ball handler than good SF's Batum, Kawhi, Parsons. While I agree in order to reach his ceiling he has to have better handles, his handles aren't that bad! Not every SF/SG who are athletic are bound to be point forwards.

[j-ragg]

what the hell is the point of this thread?

OP asks a question that is inherently 100% speculative, but then slams every poster for "speculating" when Noel's injury concerns are brought up.

76er fans are fast surpassing Raps fans on this board for being the most obnoxious.

Because Noel being healthy is not speculative. His growth plate injury has healed and his ACL is stronger. Both injuries are non-degenerative and non-chronic.

Right now, Noel is more skilled than Wiggins, relative to their position. Despite being just less than a year older. Noel's number is also much more dominant than Wiggins' in college.

Facts not speculation, can back up that Noel is the better right now and is likely to be the better player in the future.

What is Noel more skilled at for his position? He doesn't possess much for skill. Not a great passer, not much of a post game, etc. Wiggins has solid skills right now, and just needs to improve on them.

I think they are fairly similar, Wiggins has a higher potential because I don't see Noel becoming much on the offensive side of the ball. I'm also a little worried about his ability to guard 5's, and don't see him being able to space the floor enough to play the PF spot. I'd lean towards Wiggins at this point.

Yeah where is all this Noel skill coming from?

They're both good athletes. One has a history of injuries, but seems healthy at least for the moment.

Wiggins IMO has shown more skill up to this point, and it's not very close. Noel had a couple nice drives to the hoop, but Wiggins offense > Noel's. I'm not much of a Wiggins fan either, I like Jabari better than both.

[Mr Sixer]

Because Noel being healthy is not speculative. His growth plate injury has healed and his ACL is stronger. Both injuries are non-degenerative and non-chronic.

Right now, Noel is more skilled than Wiggins, relative to their position. Despite being just less than a year older. Noel's number is also much more dominant than Wiggins' in college.

Facts not speculation, can back up that Noel is the better right now and is likely to be the better player in the future.

What is Noel more skilled at for his position? He doesn't possess much for skill. Not a great passer, not much of a post game, etc. Wiggins has solid skills right now, and just needs to improve on them.

I think they are fairly similar, Wiggins has a higher potential because I don't see Noel becoming much on the offensive side of the ball. I'm also a little worried about his ability to guard 5's, and don't see him being able to space the floor enough to play the PF spot. I'd lean towards Wiggins at this point.

Yeah where is all this Noel skill coming from?

They're both good athletes. One has a history of injuries, but seems healthy at least for the moment.

Wiggins IMO has shown more skill up to this point, and it's not very close. Noel had a couple nice drives to the hoop, but Wiggins offense > Noel's. I'm not much of a Wiggins fan either, I like Jabari better than both.

Despite what the poster above said, Noel is a very good passer for his size and position, probably better than wiggins relatively, and he is also a very good dribbler. From your post it seems that the only way a player can be skilled, or possibly even talented from your Jabari comment, is on the offensive side of the ball. Noel and wiggins both have skills in their defense right now and Noel is a very skilled shot blocker and alterer. Just because he doesn't have a complete offensive arsenal like Jabari doesn't mean he is unskilled.

[MinneOOPalis]

No. Noel will be a top defender but Wiggins has a chance to be elite defensively and very good offensively.


Is this thread an attempt to cope with not getting Wiggins?

[LloydFree]

No. Noel will be a top defender but Wiggins has a chance to be elite defensively and very good offensively.


Is this thread an attempt to cope with not getting Wiggins?

I don't get the purpose of making a thread like this, because that's exactly how it comes off. Personally, I'm ecstatic that the 76ers got Embiid instead of Wiggins or Parker. From my perspective, it serves no purpose to compare Wiggins to Noel. The conversation should be Embiid or Wiggins, and that can't be answered for another two years. But if Wiggins turns out better than Nerlens Noel... Great for Minny.

[RightToCensor]

If I had to choose in terms of NCAA play? I'd choose Noel, he easily was more dominant.

If I had to choose in terms of the Summer League? I'd choose Noel, he easily was more dominant.

If I had to choose who's skills will be easier to translate to the NBA? I'd choose Noel.



Who would you rather have? Demar Derozen or Serge Ibaka? I'd choose Ibaka because he's more likely to win me games.

[Unbreakable99]

No. Noel will be a top defender but Wiggins has a chance to be elite defensively and very good offensively.


Is this thread an attempt to cope with not getting Wiggins?

If one turns out to be an elite defender Noel is the most likely one. Noel has DPOY potential. I don't see that with Wiggins. And I'm very happy with how things turned out for the Sixers. I wanted Embiid all along. I like Wiggins but I liked Embiid a lot more. Embiid was the best prospect. Be happy you got Wiggins.

[MinneOOPalis]

No. Noel will be a top defender but Wiggins has a chance to be elite defensively and very good offensively.


Is this thread an attempt to cope with not getting Wiggins?

If one turns out to be an elite defender Noel is the most likely one. Noel has DPOY potential. I don't see that with Wiggins. And I'm very happy with how things turned out for the Sixers. I wanted Embiid all along. I like Wiggins but I liked Embiid a lot more. Embiid was the best prospect. Be happy you got Wiggins.

I expect Wiggins to be a more athletic Kawahi Leonard with the ability to draw fouls. Imo this is a more valuable player that you can build your team around. The type of wing player that every team in the NBA covets. And I agree with Embiid. He fits your long term plan. But it was interesting how the sixers actually valued Wiggins more. Lets not forget. They see the game is more perimeter based. Big men like Embiid come with a lot of risk.

[Unbreakable99]

No. Noel will be a top defender but Wiggins has a chance to be elite defensively and very good offensively.


Is this thread an attempt to cope with not getting Wiggins?

If one turns out to be an elite defender Noel is the most likely one. Noel has DPOY potential. I don't see that with Wiggins. And I'm very happy with how things turned out for the Sixers. I wanted Embiid all along. I like Wiggins but I liked Embiid a lot more. Embiid was the best prospect. Be happy you got Wiggins.

I expect Wiggins to be a more athletic Kawahi Leonard with the ability to draw fouls. Imo this is a more valuable player that you can build your team around. The type of wing player that every team in the NBA covets. And I agree with Embiid. He fits your long term plan. But it was interesting how the sixers actually valued Wiggins more. Lets not forget. They see the game is more perimeter based. Big men like Embiid come with a lot of risk.

Where is your proof that the Sixers valued Wiggins more than Embiid? Hinkie nor anyone within the Sixers ever said any such thing. I would say based off what Hinkie values that he would have had Embiid rated higher than Wiggins. Also most analysts said Embiid was the best prospect. And most Sixer fans also wanted Embiid over Wiggins. Trust me we are very happy with the outcome. We got the best prospect. You should be fine with Wiggins.

[LloydFree]

No. Noel will be a top defender but Wiggins has a chance to be elite defensively and very good offensively.


Is this thread an attempt to cope with not getting Wiggins?

If one turns out to be an elite defender Noel is the most likely one. Noel has DPOY potential. I don't see that with Wiggins. And I'm very happy with how things turned out for the Sixers. I wanted Embiid all along. I like Wiggins but I liked Embiid a lot more. Embiid was the best prospect. Be happy you got Wiggins.

I expect Wiggins to be a more athletic Kawahi Leonard with the ability to draw fouls. Imo this is a more valuable player that you can build your team around. The type of wing player that every team in the NBA covets. And I agree with Embiid. He fits your long term plan. But it was interesting how the sixers actually valued Wiggins more. Lets not forget. They see the game is more perimeter based. Big men like Embiid come with a lot of risk.

See, now you're talking out of your.... You don't know who the 76ers valued. You don't even know if the T'wolves valued Wiggins more than Embiid or Parker. That's just who they could get.