Kevin Martin Value Score

[NashtyNas]

This word, Objectively, I don't think it means what you think it does.

I am not a C's fan, nor a Rondo fan. Judging solely based on what I've seen from watching these players and accounting for the contract situation, Rondo is still the single best asset out of any of those guys.

Feel free to disagree, but at least provide some reasoning.

You realize that people gave you reasoning and then you proceeded to dump all over it.

I like Rondo a ton too as a player, but being in a contract year hurts his value. As it would for any good player.

Their reasoning was his "injury history" which is very short and his contract status, which is impending free agent.

I was told in another one of these threads that fit or team should not be considered, and it was simply whether a team would trade any of the players on the list for the player in question.

Again, regardless of fit or team would the Hornets trade Walker for Rondo? Yes, 10/10 times.

Rondos on court value surpasses all the others by a large margin. That is a fact. Whether you want to use his sole major injury which he has recovered from or his choice to play for a team or not to lower his value in your eyes is up to you.

The point is the team acquiring Rondo in a trade would have to give up a lot more for him than they would for Walker, MCW or Hayward and that should be enough to prove that he's more valuable.

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[CoreyGallagher]

I agree that Rondo should have a higher score, however this point is sort of being regurgitated and with context isn't a correlation that makes sense.

Remember when Tyreke Evans was putting up 20-5-5 on a terrible Kings team on his rookie contract?

The Sixers aren't going to move MCW to primarily wing as the Kings did with Tyreke Evans...

According to 82games Evan's rookie season he played 42% at PG, sophomore season 4%, third season 3%, 1% fourth and final season with Kings. Nearly every season his production at PG and defending PG's was noticeably better than any other positions he played at, yet he rarely played PG barring his ROY campaign.

[NashtyNas]

MCW and Walker are nice, but they're not close. MCW put up numbers on a terrible team and is on a rookie contract, is that supposed to make you valuable? Remember when Tyreke Evans was putting up 20-5-5 on a terrible Kings team on his rookie contract?

I hope the Sixers don't move MCW to primarily wing as the Kings did with Tyreke Evans then... Not really much basis to the correlation aside from 'this guy won ROY and look at him now'.

According to 82games Evan's rookie season he played 42% at PG, sophomore season 4%, third season 3%, 1% fourth and final season with Kings. Nearly every season his production at PG and defending PG's was noticeably better than any other positions he played at, yet he rarely played PG barring his ROY campaign.

The comparison is more than valid.
Both had the ball a lot, both are terrible shooters (MCW was even worse than Evans) and neither is a true point like Rondo. Both put up stats on terrible teams, and it's likely that on good teams, MCW will never put up 17PPG let alone improve on it. I'm not saying he can't improve his shooting and become more efficient, I'm just saying that he's not in Rondo's league because he's not a game changer.

[CoreyGallagher]

The comparison is more than valid.
Both had the ball a lot, both are terrible shooters (MCW was even worse than Evans) and neither is a true point like Rondo. Both put up stats on terrible teams, and it's likely that on good teams, MCW will never put up 17PPG let alone improve on it.

Rondo put up statistics playing with 3 HOFers and the season immediately following their departures he put up hollow stats, inefficiently. I don't believe most realize just how bad Rondo was this past season because his raw stats were up to par with his raw stats in seasons past, however delve a tad deeper.

DRAPM was -1.65, second worst on the Celtics, his +/- per 100 possessions was net -6.6, defense was largely to blame, -6.3 defensively, his offense made the C's worse as well, -0.3. Celtics were winning noticeably more in his absence too, without Rondo the Celtics had gone 19-33 (35.2%), with Rondo they closed the season going 6-24 (20%). His 15.3 PER was worse than MCW's 15.5, not that PER is valuable in and of itself however with the aforementioned short comings I can at least cite it to further prove a point. Rondo is in the final year of his contract and will be looking to get paid, MCW is still attempting to learn the intricacies of the NBA and still has 3 years left on a reasonable rookie contract scaled to the 11th pick, I personally don't see considerably more value there.

[HartfordWhalers]

MCW and Walker are nice, but they're not close. MCW put up numbers on a terrible team and is on a rookie contract, is that supposed to make you valuable? Remember when Tyreke Evans was putting up 20-5-5 on a terrible Kings team on his rookie contract?

I hope the Sixers don't move MCW to primarily wing as the Kings did with Tyreke Evans then... Not really much basis to the correlation aside from 'this guy won ROY and look at him now'.

According to 82games Evan's rookie season he played 42% at PG, sophomore season 4%, third season 3%, 1% fourth and final season with Kings. Nearly every season his production at PG and defending PG's was noticeably better than any other positions he played at, yet he rarely played PG barring his ROY campaign.

The comparison is more than valid.
Both had the ball a lot, both are terrible shooters (MCW was even worse than Evans) and neither is a true point like Rondo. Both put up stats on terrible teams, and it's likely that on good teams, MCW will never put up 17PPG let alone improve on it. I'm not saying he can't improve his shooting and become more efficient, I'm just saying that he's not in Rondo's league because he's not a game changer.

There is zero reason to say MCW is not a pure point.

Per 100 possessions rookie season:
Rondo 8.5 assists
MCW 8.8 assist

[NashtyNas]

So putting up big assist numbers = pure point?
That's news to me.
I guess LeBron is a pure point guard too?

You're doing a very bad job arguing this, Jazz.

MCW USG% last year - 25%
Rondo USG% his rookie yer - 16%

He put up the same numbers while handling the ball 10% less.
You're practically making my case for me.

[jazzfan1971]

After 43 votes (top 2 ignored)

Kevin Martin has a Value Score of 3.11

[goober]

If you wanna know what a pure point guard is, look at John Stockton. Purest of them all

[HartfordWhalers]

So putting up big assist numbers = pure point?
That's news to me.
I guess LeBron is a pure point guard too?

You're doing a very bad job arguing this, Jazz.

MCW USG% last year - 25%
Rondo USG% his rookie yer - 16%

He put up the same numbers while handling the ball 10% less.
You're practically making my case for me.

Eh, it doesn't take a genius to realize who each player had to shoot while on the court with them.

When in comparable situations, look at their stats:

Last year of college:
Per 40 pace adjusted:
11.8 fga, 6.5 assists (Rondo)
11.2fga, 8.3assists (MCW)

So... Did Rondo become a pure point over that summer and MCW stop being one. Or was one on a team where Hollis Thompson was the third option, and another where Ray Allen was?