Murray or AP

Romotodez · Post #21 » by **Romotodez** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:42 pm

Wondering about the margin I miss by????

Romotodez · Post #22 » by **Romotodez** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:06 pm

I understand the Patriot way with Seymour, Milloy, Mankins, etc. I understand the thought of people saying that average RBs could gain 1200 in our offense. I know MUrray wore down at the end. He started getting stuffed for 1 and 2 yrd gains. It was nothing for MUrray to average 3 yds a carry and then bust one for 30. I get all that. Those so called dirty runs though were what impressed me the most. It saved our asses a lot of times and turned 3rd and 8 into 3rd and 5. 3rd and 5 created more for Beasely and WItten. Hell I don't know what I'm trying to say. I just like the guy. I mean what's better for us - a pretty good DT with a 1200 yrd rb , or MUrray and Another Nick Hayden type

PDay8810 · Post #23 » by **PDay8810** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:43 pm

Romotodez wrote:Wondering about the margin I miss by????

always said opinions do vary

Romotodez · Post #24 » by **Romotodez** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:34 pm

PDay8810 wrote:
Romotodez wrote:Wondering about the margin I miss by????

always said opinions do vary

They most certainly do.

Romotodez · Post #25 » by **Romotodez** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:28 pm

What was it that Nets supposedly had inside info on? I can't remember. I do remember him saying they loved Manziel. Which was obviously true.

PDay8810 · Post #26 » by **PDay8810** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:18 pm

"Never said anything about QB, but hey like I said bet or shut up. I'm done talking. I'll bet 10,000.00 that if we have a RB not named Murray carry 300 plus times next season, that he will get 1,200 yards or more. If you don't want to bet 10,000.00 then you call it, and trust me I am not bluffing when I put out that number; so put up or shut up, because if you not willing to put up then you don't even believe in what you are saying, you're just talking"

Yep...any post now he'll tell you he's an educated / professional young enterprising man with no time for this foolishness.

$10,000 dollar bets on something said over the internet is a lot like someone picking out a place to settle the score.

RJ MacReady1 · Post #27 » by **RJ MacReady1** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:24 pm

I will be posting my complete cap breakdown.

But I first have to finishing building my basement fusion reactor. There was a small setback with a faulty valve in the primary heat exchanger that almost damaged the flux capacitor.

Romotodez · Post #28 » by **Romotodez** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:31 pm

[quote="PDay8810"]"Never said anything about QB, but hey like I said bet or shut up. I'm done talking. I'll bet 10,000.00 that if we have a RB not named Murray carry 300 plus times next season, that he will get 1,200 yards or more. If you don't want to bet 10,000.00 then you call it, and trust me I am not bluffing when I put out that number; so put up or shut up, because if you not willing to put up then you don't even believe in what you are saying, you're just talking"

I think it's definitely a safe bet. Not many are gonna get 300 carries. I know that's not what you are trying to prove. He has definitely changed his tone. He never liked confrontation that I can remember

Jarntt · Post #29 » by **Jarntt** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:17 pm

Romotodez wrote:Wondering about the margin I miss by????

Ever been to the Grand Canyon???

Romotodez · Post #30 » by **Romotodez** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:19 pm

Never been more West than Arlington/ Dallas

Romotodez · Post #31 » by **Romotodez** » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:48 pm

PDay8810 wrote:"Never said anything about QB, but hey like I said bet or shut up. I'm done talking. I'll bet 10,000.00 that if we have a RB not named Murray carry 300 plus times next season, that he will get 1,200 yards or more. If you don't want to bet 10,000.00 then you call it, and trust me I am not bluffing when I put out that number; so put up or shut up, because if you not willing to put up then you don't even believe in what you are saying, you're just talking"

Yep...any post now he'll tell you he's an educated / professional young enterprising man with no time for this foolishness.

$10,000 dollar bets on something said over the internet is a lot like someone picking out a place to settle the score.

Have you ever talked or messaged him about what he does for a living??? I'm not being a smart ass, I was just wondering.

bluejerseyjinx · Post #32 » by **bluejerseyjinx** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:17 am

Cowboycolors wrote:With respect to Murray I let him walk !

The Ol is the strength ! lets c what Randle and Williams can do along with a Draft pick

No way I pay more than what the Boys are offering

RB in the NFL is like a land line at home only good for X

As Far as AP if he wants to sign on the cheap sure other than that moving along

JMHO

In a perfect world it would be nice to build on current chemistry. However the business of sports is a different ball game. Murray deserves, wants, needs and has to cash in big time in this upcoming contract. My thinking is here, the window for Witten is 2 years and Romo has about 3 years. WE knocked on the door this year, if things continue to improve and stay on schedule, Cowboys should and just might make the Super Bowl next year. If Romo and Witten don't cash in within 3 years, they never will. So Jerry, with his one dementional way thinking for the current and present will most likely sign Suh, use draft picks to sure up DL and then let Murray go and sign AP. So what if he's older. I think after a year off he'll be hungry, fresher and healthier than anyone and want to prove himself after last year's transgression. I'd give him no more than 3 years though.

CarlHoudini · Post #33 » by **CarlHoudini** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:12 pm

I think the question is Murray or draft and RB in the 2nd or 3rd round and share the load between the backs more in 2015. Possibly Ameer Abdullah, Buck Allen, or Mike Davis?

ncmalko1 · Post #34 » by **ncmalko1** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:59 am

It surprises me how little love Demarco is getting because if I had an MVP vote I'd vote for him and not Rodgers. He carried this team on his back and kept that D off the field. I know RBs are devalued in this league but there are plenty of teams that need a good RB. Can this new rookie (ie) pass block and catch balls out of the backfield like Demarco? Demarco was just DOMINATING all season long and people are ready to dump him.

As for AP there isnt one RB in the NFL that I would sign at his age EXCEPT for him. I think he is a complete physical freak of nature and would DOMINATE behind the Cowboys OLine for a few years. It just seems like something thats going to happen. McCoy wasnt dominant this year and spent too much time dancing in the backfield but if Philly didnt have him I'd be really worried. That worry might come soon cause I dont see them continue to pay 9 mill for a RB. He's probably done after 2015 and he will only be 27 then.

Manster7588 · Post #35 » by **Manster7588** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:08 am

ncmalko1 wrote:It surprises me how little love Demarco is getting because if I had an MVP vote I'd vote for him and not Rodgers. He carried this team on his back and kept that D off the field. I know RBs are devalued in this league but there are plenty of teams that need a good RB. Can this new rookie (ie) pass block and catch balls out of the backfield like Demarco? Demarco was just DOMINATING all season long and people are ready to dump him.

As for AP there isnt one RB in the NFL that I would sign at his age EXCEPT for him. I think he is a complete physical freak of nature and would DOMINATE behind the Cowboys OLine for a few years. It just seems like something thats going to happen. McCoy wasnt dominant this year and spent too much time dancing in the backfield but if Philly didnt have him I'd be really worried. That worry might come soon cause I dont see them continue to pay 9 mill for a RB. He's probably done after 2015 and he will only be 27 then.

Most of us want Murray but not for 6M a season for 5 or more seasons. 16M over 4 and I"m good or even PDay's 3 year contract. Don't want to mortgage the future on a RB who finnally made it through a season. A season in which he slowed down a lot at the end of. Nope give me a rookie or mid range FA if Murray want to break the bank. I said it earlier this season Murray may price himself out of Dallas. I appears he did.

Jarntt · Post #36 » by **Jarntt** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:45 am

Manster7588 wrote:
ncmalko1 wrote:It surprises me how little love Demarco is getting because if I had an MVP vote I'd vote for him and not Rodgers. He carried this team on his back and kept that D off the field. I know RBs are devalued in this league but there are plenty of teams that need a good RB. Can this new rookie (ie) pass block and catch balls out of the backfield like Demarco? Demarco was just DOMINATING all season long and people are ready to dump him.

As for AP there isnt one RB in the NFL that I would sign at his age EXCEPT for him. I think he is a complete physical freak of nature and would DOMINATE behind the Cowboys OLine for a few years. It just seems like something thats going to happen. McCoy wasnt dominant this year and spent too much time dancing in the backfield but if Philly didnt have him I'd be really worried. That worry might come soon cause I dont see them continue to pay 9 mill for a RB. He's probably done after 2015 and he will only be 27 then.

Most of us want Murray but not for 6M a season for 5 or more seasons. 16M over 4 and I"m good or even PDay's 3 year contract. Don't want to mortgage the future on a RB who finnally made it through a season. A season in which he slowed down a lot at the end of. Nope give me a rookie or mid range FA if Murray want to break the bank. I said it earlier this season Murray may price himself out of Dallas. I appears he did.

Im not sure i would say he slowed down. Murray averaged 100 yards per game in the playoffs and over 100 yards per game in December. Im not giving him a huge contract, but We will not be the same team with a rookie or mid range FA stepping in for Murray. IMO we wouldn't have made the playoffs this year without him.

Manster7588 · Post #37 » by **Manster7588** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:53 am

Jarntt wrote:
Manster7588 wrote:
ncmalko1 wrote:It surprises me how little love Demarco is getting because if I had an MVP vote I'd vote for him and not Rodgers. He carried this team on his back and kept that D off the field. I know RBs are devalued in this league but there are plenty of teams that need a good RB. Can this new rookie (ie) pass block and catch balls out of the backfield like Demarco? Demarco was just DOMINATING all season long and people are ready to dump him.

As for AP there isnt one RB in the NFL that I would sign at his age EXCEPT for him. I think he is a complete physical freak of nature and would DOMINATE behind the Cowboys OLine for a few years. It just seems like something thats going to happen. McCoy wasnt dominant this year and spent too much time dancing in the backfield but if Philly didnt have him I'd be really worried. That worry might come soon cause I dont see them continue to pay 9 mill for a RB. He's probably done after 2015 and he will only be 27 then.

Most of us want Murray but not for 6M a season for 5 or more seasons. 16M over 4 and I"m good or even PDay's 3 year contract. Don't want to mortgage the future on a RB who finnally made it through a season. A season in which he slowed down a lot at the end of. Nope give me a rookie or mid range FA if Murray want to break the bank. I said it earlier this season Murray may price himself out of Dallas. I appears he did.

Im not sure i would say he slowed down. Murray averaged 100 yards per game in the playoffs and over 100 yards per game in December. Im not giving him a huge contract, but We will not be the same team with a rookie or mid range FA stepping in for Murray. IMO we wouldn't have made the playoffs this year without him.

By the eye test he had to work a lot harder for those yards late in the season. I guess it could becthat the line that began to tire late this making it harder for Murray.

RJ MacReady1 · Post #38 » by **RJ MacReady1** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:03 pm

I don't see how it goes down any other way.

Jerry is going to do a full deal with Dez. Dez basically made it impossible with his performance.
He will then tag Murray because we are not ready to be without him yet and can't swing 2 contracts.
Not to mention the optics would look really bad.

The real issue is the nature of the positions. Murray will be 30 and this is when RB start to jump the shark if they have not already.
It is tragic to have to think this way about a guy who was so good. It is what it is.

Between the 2 players you have to tag the one who is more likely to give you diminishing returns.

The only wildcard I see. If Dez wants to be the highest paid receiver and won't budge an inch during talks
Jerry could just get pissed and tag him.

CarlHoudini · Post #39 » by **CarlHoudini** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:42 pm

In regards to Murray at the end of the year, we need to look at a little more than stats. For example, it was pretty obvious that Philly was committed to stopping the run and taking their chances with Romo. They were determined not to let Murray beat them on the ground. Coincidentally, he didn't tear them up. Also, Doug Free went out in the 4th quarter of that game and never came back. Also, I don't know how hurt Martin was or wasn't, but he did get dinged up in that game too, and was questionable for the following week. The point is, I think you have to consider all factors in regards to performance, not just the stats at the end of the day.

I'm honestly not trying to be an apologist for the guy, I just think it's worth noting that not all things are equal, and after having the "he's carrying the ball too much" angle beat into our heads since around week 3 or 4, I think part of this "he slowed down" talk is a result of folks looking for something to validate the opinion he was touching the ball too much.

I'm more concerned with him from here on out if the Cowboys bring him back. It's the season after carrying a heavy load that you really have to worry about.

Romotodez · Post #40 » by **Romotodez** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:24 pm

It was basically pick your poison and I loved it. They all fed off each other on offense. Sure they still gave the ball to Murray with 8 in the box and he was stuffed some, but they then payed for it. When you can do both like they did, it makes for a lot of points. I don't know how many times we scored 30 or more this yr but it seemed like a lot.