More trade value: Giannis Antetokounmpo or Ty Lawson?

[jakecronus8]

Given his age, physical attributes, contract and potential, I don't think there are more than a handful of guys with more trade value than Giannis, if you're talking about building a team.

[lsuguy13]

Is this really debatable

[Revived]

I'd take Giannis.

PGs are a dime a dozen. Forwards like Giannis potential aren't.

[Amish Mafioso]

I'd really like to see Lawson in Utah next year some time. Still taking Giannis.

[arbsn]

G Po. High level wings are way harder to find than high level PGs in the NBA right now

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[torotoe]

Giannis. He's 20.

Next year, if he continues developing on this pace, Giannis easily. In the scenario Giannis' development stagnates, Lawson is worth more. If he stopped developing now, he'd be a middle of the road SF with a mediocre three. Wilson Chandler is likely more impactful than Giannis this year with his ability to hit the three.

It's easy to ignore how good Lawson is, because there are so many good PGs. The guy has a legit argument for top 10 PG, which sounds like nothing, but PG is the strongest position in the league, so he's also a top 50 player with room to spare. He's a step below the elites, but a step above the Kyries, Teagues and Rondos of the world.

It doesn't mean he's worth a star prospect like Giannis, but Giannis has to keep developing to maintain that status. If he slips, he's not a star prospect and at that point Lawson is worth more.

[hege53190]

I am surprised the poll is this close.

[BBallFreak]

Actually I would think G would be exactly what he doesn't want next to him in Cleveland. Yes G might be great but LeBron is at the tail end of his prime. If he's picking his teammate, and he had no other teammates, I would be shocked if it weren't Lawson by a country mile.

If you're looking to win now their is no other option but Lawson. That has to be obvious. Yeah G had intriguing potential but you don't waste a superstar's prime on intriguing potential. You want realized potential.

To me Lawson is a top five point guard this year. I wouldn't pass that up for what G may our may not be.

That's my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.

[Texas Chuck]

Cmon now yen. If the Cavs wanted a high potential guy as opposed to a veteran they would have just kept Wiggins.

[psimanic1]

Thats fine for you to not agree; a clear majority however do agree. As for what you consider my obnoxious response, a 2014 ballboy posting a similar thread would get a much different response than the one you've received.

Seriously, stop trying to bait me into something.

And the poll is young, still. Just because its in your favor now doesn't mean it will stay that way...

bball,

really do not think he is trying to bait ya sir. Lawson is super solid no doubt about it. as you did not offer a scenario and just asked for straight up trade value I think this is a no brainer. Giannis is simply a ginormous intrigue potential wise. what things come to him naturally with his physical stature is hard to ignore. he may not reach the level at which Lawson is producing now or he could far exceed it. for a rebuilding team G seems obvious, I hope it does to you too. for a team like the cavs who are trying to put together a winner now ... a bucks package around say G/knight for love or kyrie (if the cavs look to change the core) sounds better then a package around Lawson. I can even admit Lawson is a more sure thing now. but putting G next LeBron is just all kinds of tempting. a LeBron culture pushing him sounds very intriguing

So, lets say Cavs want to upgrade PG position, and to get other players as best as they can, you really think they would upgrade PG better with Knight than Lawson?? You really think, that lets say package of Lawson, Faried, Afflalo couldn't get more from Cavs than Giannis/Knight package could?? Or that Lawson,Faried, Afflalo, Nurkic couldn't get both Love and Kyrie to Nuggets...Not that i would do that trade, because i don't like Kyrie more than Ty, but just saying, even with Bucks giving Parker, i don't think James would give up on Kyrie and Love for them...Like CT said, if they wanted young guy, they would've kept Wiggins instead of going for Love..
And one more thing, noone will give you Top 5 pick for Giannis, and without giving half of Bucks team, you can't get anything valuable back in any trade, because of his contract, so, he is not that valuable trade chip for Mil, and don't know how he could be more valuable to some other team, when they know they can't get him that cheap...

[ReKon]

Seriously, stop trying to bait me into something.

And the poll is young, still. Just because its in your favor now doesn't mean it will stay that way...

bball,

really do not think he is trying to bait ya sir. Lawson is super solid no doubt about it. as you did not offer a scenario and just asked for straight up trade value I think this is a no brainer. Giannis is simply a ginormous intrigue potential wise. what things come to him naturally with his physical stature is hard to ignore. he may not reach the level at which Lawson is producing now or he could far exceed it. for a rebuilding team G seems obvious, I hope it does to you too. for a team like the cavs who are trying to put together a winner now ... a bucks package around say G/knight for love or kyrie (if the cavs look to change the core) sounds better then a package around Lawson. I can even admit Lawson is a more sure thing now. but putting G next LeBron is just all kinds of tempting. a LeBron culture pushing him sounds very intriguing

So, lets say Cavs want to upgrade PG position, and to get other players as best as they can, you really think they would upgrade PG better with Knight than Lawson?? You really think, that lets say package of Lawson, Faried, Afflalo couldn't get more from Cavs than Giannis/Knight package could?? Or that Lawson,Faried, Afflalo, Nurkic couldn't get both Love and Kyrie to Nuggets...Not that i would do that trade, because i don't like Kyrie more than Ty, but just saying, even with Bucks giving Parker, i don't think James would give up on Kyrie and Love for them...Like CT said, if they wanted young guy, they would've kept Wiggins instead of going for Love..
And one more thing, noone will give you Top 5 pick for Giannis, and without giving half of Bucks team, you can't get anything valuable back in any trade, because of his contract, so, he is not that valuable trade chip for Mil, and don't know how he could be more valuable to some other team, when they know they can't get him that cheap...

If we re talking team fit then yeah Knight fits a Lebron system more than Lawson does.Not value wise fit wise.Knight has a pretty good jumper so he could be the equivalent to Chalmers from Lebron s Miami days.Lawson needs the ball in his hands which is unnecessary cause LeBron needs to handle the ball and be the creator.Kyrie actually fits the Lebron mold of secondary creator pretty well and has talent to handle more but he needs to get better defensively.
The only reason the Cavs do that trade with their current team is if they believe that Love bolts to LA this summer.The Nuggets wouldn t do it because Love would then proceed to go to LA
And you re right other teams wouldn t be offering the Bucks a top 5 pick for Giannis they d be offering multiple top 5 picks and a potential star or else we just hang up the phone plain and simple.All you guys really undervalue Giannis and his impact and i can t wait till the kid proves you wrong.For now i ll just settle with the majority s opinion

[patrol345]

if your a rebuilding team Giannis, if your a contender obviously Lawson, 17/10 vrs 12 ppg shouldnt even be questioned if your a contender. If your rebuilding you go with the potential.

[psimanic1]

If we re talking team fit then yeah Knight fits a Lebron system more than Lawson does.Not value wise fit wise.Knight has a pretty good jumper so he could be the equivalent to Chalmers from Lebron s Miami days.Lawson needs the ball in his hands which is unnecessary cause LeBron needs to handle the ball and be the creator.Kyrie actually fits the Lebron mold of secondary creator pretty well and has talent to handle more but he needs to get better defensively.
The only reason the Cavs do that trade with their current team is if they believe that Love bolts to LA this summer.The Nuggets wouldn t do it because Love would then proceed to go to LA
And you re right other teams wouldn t be offering the Bucks a top 5 pick for Giannis they d be offering multiple top 5 picks and a potential star or else we just hang up the phone plain and simple.All you guys really undervalue Giannis and his impact and i can t wait till the kid proves you wrong.For now i ll just settle with the majority s opinion

So, you think NYK would give you next 1st round pick for Giannis?

[Dcebucks11]

If we re talking team fit then yeah Knight fits a Lebron system more than Lawson does.Not value wise fit wise.Knight has a pretty good jumper so he could be the equivalent to Chalmers from Lebron s Miami days.Lawson needs the ball in his hands which is unnecessary cause LeBron needs to handle the ball and be the creator.Kyrie actually fits the Lebron mold of secondary creator pretty well and has talent to handle more but he needs to get better defensively.
The only reason the Cavs do that trade with their current team is if they believe that Love bolts to LA this summer.The Nuggets wouldn t do it because Love would then proceed to go to LA
And you re right other teams wouldn t be offering the Bucks a top 5 pick for Giannis they d be offering multiple top 5 picks and a potential star or else we just hang up the phone plain and simple.All you guys really undervalue Giannis and his impact and i can t wait till the kid proves you wrong.For now i ll just settle with the majority s opinion

So, you think NYK would give you next 1st round pick for Giannis?

I don't think either team would be interested, quit trolling ball boy

[ReKon]

If we re talking team fit then yeah Knight fits a Lebron system more than Lawson does.Not value wise fit wise.Knight has a pretty good jumper so he could be the equivalent to Chalmers from Lebron s Miami days.Lawson needs the ball in his hands which is unnecessary cause LeBron needs to handle the ball and be the creator.Kyrie actually fits the Lebron mold of secondary creator pretty well and has talent to handle more but he needs to get better defensively.
The only reason the Cavs do that trade with their current team is if they believe that Love bolts to LA this summer.The Nuggets wouldn t do it because Love would then proceed to go to LA
And you re right other teams wouldn t be offering the Bucks a top 5 pick for Giannis they d be offering multiple top 5 picks and a potential star or else we just hang up the phone plain and simple.All you guys really undervalue Giannis and his impact and i can t wait till the kid proves you wrong.For now i ll just settle with the majority s opinion

So, you think NYK would give you next 1st round pick for Giannis?

I think Boston would give their pick this year and one of Brooklyn s picks easily and it still wouldn t be enough for me to give Giannis.And NY might give it and they might not either way i m good with Giannis
And i don t get the if you re a contender you go with Lawson argument.Let s see the point guards of the teams in the playoffs right now

Atlanta-Teague
Washington-Wall
Toronto-Lowry
Chicago-Rose
Milwaukee-Knight
Cleveland-Kyrie
Miami-Napier(?)
Brooklyn-Deron
GSW-Curry
Portland-Lillard
Memphis-Conley
Houston-Beverley
Dallas-Rondo
Clippers-Paul
SAS-Parker
Phoenix-Bledsoe

and i could add OKC with Westbrook and/or the Pelicans with Jrue.Of these 16 teams i could see maybe 4 that would view Lawson as a major upgrade over their starting pg at the moment(Bucks,Heat,Nets and Rockets) and i m saying major as in Lawson is leaps and bounds better than their guy and of them the only team being a realistic contender is Houston.

Plus your question is misleading but would NY give their first round pick for Lawson before they gave it for Giannis?

[aim2please]

Young player with upside on a rookie deal is the obvious answer so I have to go with Giannis.

BUT, and I know I am going to get mocked for this, when is the time to ask ourselves is Giannis really that good? I keep reading and hearing about him being this 'can't miss' building block but I feel like he's becoming the new Ricky Rubio - young guy who is such a humble and nice kid that becomes everyone' darling without really producing like a future star.

IMO, both he and Rubio have a lot of supporters because they are great at passing our eye test. Meaning, Rubio is a spectacular passer, Giannis is an athletic freak who does one incredible thing every game... they must be good.

I know he's 20, and I would definitely be happy if he's on the Celtics but I see his ceiling as Batum or Deng, not perennial all-star like Durant.

His stats are closer to Micheal Kidd-Gilchrist than any current star when they were 20. Real plus minus -1.13, PER 15.3, TS% 55.7%

[Dcebucks11]

Young player with upside on a rookie deal is the obvious answer so I have to go with Giannis.

BUT, and I know I am going to get mocked for this, when is the time to ask ourselves is Giannis really that good? I keep reading and hearing about him being this 'can't miss' building block but I feel like he's becoming the new Ricky Rubio - young guy who is such a humble and nice kid that becomes everyone' darling without really producing like a future star.

IMO, both he and Rubio have a lot of supporters because they are great at passing our eye test. Meaning, Rubio is a spectacular passer, Giannis is an athletic freak who does one incredible thing every game... they must be good.

I know he's 20, and I would definitely be happy if he's on the Celtics but I see his ceiling as Batum or Deng, not perennial all-star like Durant.

His stats are closer to Micheal Kidd-Gilchrist than any current star when they were 20. Real plus minus -1.13, PER 15.3, TS% 55.7%

Giannis improved, MKG didn't.. MKG only scored 7 ppg in his second year while Giannis did that his first year and bumped it up more to 12 his second year, also giannis has more skill and physical tools than MKG, his ball handling and length is > MKG

But, Obviously he aint no durant or close to it. No one is trading a Durant type prospect. He's as raw of a prospect as you can get, little basketball experience but a lot of talent. He still has things to learn but in two years I see him have a much bigger role on Milwaukee.
If he ends Kawhi leonard type of player in two years with Jabari doing the heavy scoring load that would be a great get for Milwaukee. Kawhi leonard is a huge impact player, huge fan of him.

[aim2please]

Giannis improved, MKG didn't.. MKG only scored 7 ppg in his second year while Giannis did that his first year and bumped it up more to 12 his second year, also giannis has more skill and physical tools than MKG, his ball handling and length is > MKG

But, Obviously he aint no durant or close to it. No one is trading a Durant type prospect. He's as raw of a prospect as you can get, little basketball experience but a lot of talent. He still has things to learn but in two years I see him have a much bigger role on Milwaukee.
If he ends Kawhi leonard type of player in two years with Jabari doing the heavy scoring load that would be a great get for Milwaukee. Kawhi leonard is a huge impact player, huge fan of him.

Giannis hit five 3s all season - talk about improvement. He's playing SG/SF, how is that not a huge concern. If Rubio improves shooting he's an all star. It's a BIG if.

I agree on Kawhi. He is one of those guy who are building blocks. Giannis becoming good as he is would be fantastic - I just don't see it.

[Blame Rasho]

Given his age, physical attributes, contract and potential, I don't think there are more than a handful of guys with more trade value than Giannis, if you're talking about building a team.

Pretty much... even at his absolute apex right now, Lawson isn't an all NBA or all star type player or have the impact of one Antetokoumnpo has that potential ability, is on a rookie contract and is only 20.

[Dcebucks11]

Giannis improved, MKG didn't.. MKG only scored 7 ppg in his second year while Giannis did that his first year and bumped it up more to 12 his second year, also giannis has more skill and physical tools than MKG, his ball handling and length is > MKG

But, Obviously he aint no durant or close to it. No one is trading a Durant type prospect. He's as raw of a prospect as you can get, little basketball experience but a lot of talent. He still has things to learn but in two years I see him have a much bigger role on Milwaukee.
If he ends Kawhi leonard type of player in two years with Jabari doing the heavy scoring load that would be a great get for Milwaukee. Kawhi leonard is a huge impact player, huge fan of him.

Giannis hit five 3s all season - talk about improvement. He's playing SG/SF, how is that not a huge concern. If Rubio improves shooting he's an all star. It's a BIG if.

I agree on Kawhi. He is one of those guy who are building blocks. Giannis becoming good as he is would be fantastic - I just don't see it.

He doesn't play SG at all , he plays SF/PF.. Everything improved except his 3 point shooting, so yeah he improved.... Yeah he needs to work on his range, it's strange cuz he was doing alright last year and this summer hitting 3s. Chunk of his shooting was heaving 3s at the end of the shot clock....

Scottie pippen was a great player who didn't shoot the 3 much early in his career who I think has a similar game to Giannis. I think his shooting will come, he just needs confidence..