Trade rumors revisited

[cammac]

TOR - Terrence Ross, Patrick Patterson, DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry Blow it up, DeRozan to Cleveland for TPE, Lowry to SAC for Rondo expiring and picks, Patterson to Washington for Webster contract + Picks

Exactly why would the Raptors blow it up?
Patterson for a washed up Webster really? & a 20th plus pick
Lowry for Rondo really? Picks..... right now 2016 is taken best is 2017
DeMar for a TPE laughable!
Conceivable
Ross might be traded but you know Masai will likely get more than fair value.

[HartfordWhalers]

Now the dust has settled after the draft and teams are forming their camp squads, what do you guys all see happening with the few players that were heavily rumored to be moved as we get closer to the season starting?

To jog your memory, some of the names include:
PHI - Carl Landry, Gerald Wallace, Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan

I've posted 2 Canaan trades the past few days, but there has not been any rumors about him. By all accounts he was a Hinkie guy that Hinkie really wanted, and just acquired at last trade deadline.
Similarly, there hasn't been any rumors about Wallace or Landry, but there I think everyone can see they aren't part of the core long term.

Wroten is the only one that has had trade rumors about him, there was talk about LAC acquiring him last trade deadline despite being out for the season so it didn't seem that credible. With him almost back from injury, I think you have to see what Wroten looks like post injury, but he definitely is a December 15th trade candidate.

[BullyKing]

Now the dust has settled after the draft and teams are forming their camp squads, what do you guys all see happening with the few players that were heavily rumored to be moved as we get closer to the season starting?

To jog your memory, some of the names include:
PHI - Carl Landry, Gerald Wallace, Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan

I've posted 2 Canaan trades the past few days, but there has not been any rumors about him. By all accounts he was a Hinkie guy that Hinkie really wanted, and just acquired at last trade deadline.
Similarly, there hasn't been any rumors about Wallace or Landry, but there I think everyone can see they aren't part of the core long term.

Wroten is the only one that has had trade rumors about him, there was talk about LAC acquiring him last trade deadline despite being out for the season so it didn't seem that credible. With him almost back from injury, I think you have to see what Wroten looks like post injury, but he definitely is a December 15th trade candidate.

I believe the Wroten/LAC rumors were immediately before his injury.

[HartfordWhalers]

Now the dust has settled after the draft and teams are forming their camp squads, what do you guys all see happening with the few players that were heavily rumored to be moved as we get closer to the season starting?

To jog your memory, some of the names include:
PHI - Carl Landry, Gerald Wallace, Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan

I've posted 2 Canaan trades the past few days, but there has not been any rumors about him. By all accounts he was a Hinkie guy that Hinkie really wanted, and just acquired at last trade deadline.
Similarly, there hasn't been any rumors about Wallace or Landry, but there I think everyone can see they aren't part of the core long term.

Wroten is the only one that has had trade rumors about him, there was talk about LAC acquiring him last trade deadline despite being out for the season so it didn't seem that credible. With him almost back from injury, I think you have to see what Wroten looks like post injury, but he definitely is a December 15th trade candidate.

I believe the Wroten/LAC rumors were immediately before his injury.

You are right. Thanks for correcting that.

LAC had interest and asked about him a week before the injury

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So, no real indication that Philly wants off him, but with his contract coming off rookie scale this offseason, Philly might want to move him to ensure they have future cap space in

[tiderulz]

Now the dust has settled after the draft and teams are forming their camp squads, what do you guys all see happening with the few players that were heavily rumored to be moved as we get closer to the season starting?

To jog your memory, some of the names include:

ORL - Evan Fournier, Channing Frye, Andrew Nicholson

the only rumors about Fournier come from other teams. There is been no mention of any rumor regarding Evan. I also dont remember seeing any rumor regarding Frye or Nicholson either. There is always talk on the Orlando board about Nicholson, but no rumors of a move.

[Laimbeer]

A little puzzled by the declarations there have been no rumors about (player X). Is there an official rumor list somewhere, or is there a criteria for a scenario to be considered a real rumor?

[bondom34]

Wouldn't say no reason. Brooklyn could do it just to cut their losses a bit and get some $ while JJ proposes it because he wants a shot at a ring this year (not saying he is a ring chasing old guy, but who wouldn't want to take a chance at a ring right?).

Except again Brooklyn saves basically nothing, and also JJ seems happy there.

$3 mil is decent money. Worth it if there is barely no cost of doing so.

And I'm not saying JJ wouldn't be happy with Brooklyn or isn't happy now. He would probably ask them with respect and present the idea logically to them, and leave to his new team with respect for the Nets organization. Ultimately though he is doing it to get a chance at a ring, not because he doesn't like the Nets

Again though, every rumor has been BKN is keeping him now which is sort of the point.

[HartfordWhalers]

A little puzzled by the declarations there have been no rumors about (player X). Is there an official rumor list somewhere, or is there a criteria for a scenario to be considered a real rumor?

Here would be my rumor hierarchy:
Lvl 0:
For some of the players, there have been pretty much 0 rumors of any kind anywhere (yet they are listed here).

Lvl 1:
Speculation if any has just come from local guys that don't have any league sources and say stuff. I could think of a source for Philly rumors that I would put as basically baseless without anything else corroborating
Broussard and no where else.

Lvl 2:
Speculation has come from decent but not great beat reporters, or national guys that usually miss but sometimes hit.

Lvl 3:
Speculation has come from very good beat reporters or the decent respected national guys

Lvl 4:
Woj (and Stein)


Obviously lvl 0 should be dismissed. And Lvl 1 probably should be. Now we can debate who is credible enough to be lvl 2 instead of lvl 1, so it often makes sense to list what the original rumor was.

[Kings2013]

Now the dust has settled after the draft and teams are forming their camp squads, what do you guys all see happening with the few players that were heavily rumored to be moved as we get closer to the season starting?

To jog your memory, some of the names include:

ATL - Dennis Schroder
BOS - Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, Avery Bradley
BKN - Joe Johnson, Jarett Jack
CHA - Marvin Williams
CHI - Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich
CLE - ?
DAL - Raymond Felton
DEN - JJ Hickson, Kostas Papanikolaou
DET - Brandon Jennings
GSW - ?
HOU - Patrick Beverley, Terrence Jones
IND - ?
LAC - Jamal Crawford, C.J. Wilcox
LAL - Nick Young
MEM - Jeff Green
MIA - Mario Chalmers, Chris Andersen, Josh McRoberts, Luol Deng
MIL - O.J. Mayo, Jerryd Bayless, John Henson, Miles Plumlee
MIN - Ricky Rubio, Nikola Pekovic, Kevin Martin, Anthony Bennett
NOP - Ryan Anderson, Tyreke Evans, Eric Gordon
NYK - Jose Calderon
OKC - Dion Waiters, Steve Novak
ORL - Evan Fournier, Channing Frye, Andrew Nicholson
PHI - Carl Landry, Gerald Wallace, Tony Wroten, Isaiah Canaan
PHX - Markieff Morris
POR - Chris Kaman, Gerald Henderson
SAC - Darren Collison, DeMarcus Cousins
SAS - ?
TOR - Terrence Ross, Patrick Patterson, DeMar DeRozan, Kyle Lowry
UTA - Trey Burke
WAS - Garrett Temple, Martell Webster, DeJuan Blair

Cousins is going nowhere now, like most superstars. We made a trade to compete now with Philly, so there is no idea to trade him for youth like I see a lot of, or replace him with depth when we are two deep everywhere. Vlade and Vivek have made clear they intend to keep him for as long as possible

If he's traded it will be begrudgingly in his last year after we fight tooth and nail for respectability. And judging from the fact we had one of the best starting lineups in the league for a lot of the adversity of last season with no bench, there is a belief we can attain it with depth and in growth. Most Kings fans believe he will retire here still

Collison, I don't see the value that would be offered to sway us from him. Karl likes to play 2PGs which he excelled at with the Clippers and he can play off ball with Rondo. He's a good leader and player, don't see him moved

[Texas Chuck]

OKC won't dump Waiters, even if I'd like it. And BKN won't buy out JJ, he's expiring.

I think its possible OKC would move Waiters if a deal made sense.

Trading him for Ray Felton makes less than zero sense. Worse player, makes almost as much money, would be 4th on the PG depth chart.....

I still think Novak gets moved at the deadline to save on the tax bill. I know his ties to Kanter, but OKC could save substantial money and it seems unlikely he's in the rotation.

[Trader_Joe]

I don't see BK buying out JJ at all.
They are under the tax so they really have no financial motivation and they hope to sign him next summer at a much smaller deal. If he doesn't want to resign he'll have his chance to join a contender next summer.

Jack I hope is shopped, but Hollins loves him so it would have to be a pretty good deal. He's only 500k guaranteed next year, so it wouldn't be a salary dump. He's going to be our starting PG (sigh) and unless a better PG is acquired (unlikely) I don't see many options.

[bondom34]

OKC won't dump Waiters, even if I'd like it. And BKN won't buy out JJ, he's expiring.

I think its possible OKC would move Waiters if a deal made sense.

Trading him for Ray Felton makes less than zero sense. Worse player, makes almost as much money, would be 4th on the PG depth chart.....

I still think Novak gets moved at the deadline to save on the tax bill. I know his ties to Kanter, but OKC could save substantial money and it seems unlikely he's in the rotation.

Oh, agree on all counts and should have been more clear. I just don't know what would make sense for Waiters, and Novak would require some sweetener to dump, which they've used pretty much all of that they have. I feel like they're beyond a second being enough to move him.

[DocRI]

Here would be my rumor hierarchy:
Lvl 0:
For some of the players, there have been pretty much 0 rumors of any kind anywhere (yet they are listed here).

Lvl 1:
Speculation if any has just come from local guys that don't have any league sources and say stuff. I could think of a source for Philly rumors that I would put as basically baseless without anything else corroborating
Broussard and no where else.

Lvl 2:
Speculation has come from decent but not great beat reporters, or national guys that usually miss but sometimes hit.

Lvl 3:
Speculation has come from very good beat reporters or the decent respected national guys

Lvl 4:
Woj (and Stein)

This is brilliant. Can we make this official T&T Board Policy? But I'd suggest moving everything up one digit and inverting it to follow the DEFCON threat system (like in the movie War Games), so if you're posting a Woj rumor you can put "DEFCON 1" in the title of the thread and everyone will know how serious it is!