Greatest Blazers Ever: Vote for #17

[Masterfully]

That's the problem for I wouldn't have picked Gross and think picking one of the
leaders of the Jail Blazers is a non starter even at #17. Those teams had really
turned off the fans with their antics which put a lot of pressure on the rookies
from 2006 draft (B-Roy and LA) who were up to the task. If I had it over again,
any of those other guys who got one vote is preferable to Gross or Damon.

What exactly did the jail Blazers do, smoke weed? Sure there were other incidents but if weed smoking is the primary "issue" of the jail blazers era I think with hindsight it wouldn't be entirely unfair to say that the "issues" on that team were greatly embellished.

It's been a long time now so I can't remember many details. There definitely was weed. Damon tried to take some through an airport metal detector while it was wrapped in tin foil. There was the dog fighting. The towel thrown at Arvydas. The basketball that took out Boumtje. The Hoops Love club rape allegations. The drug dealer that Zach's crew beat up. Ruben Patterson and the nanny. Sheed being racist. Bonzi blacking out. Rider and the lynching. Kato and the porn flick. Just a bunch of crap. Seemed like something everyday. I've probably forgotten most of it.

It made it so most of Portland did not want to identify as a Blazer fan.

[Moonbeam]

Final tally:

Damon Stoudamire (5): Oden2, rasta_marley, DaVoiceMaster, rasta_marley, JasonStern

Bob Gross (3): Masterfully, Moonbeam, Norm2953

Mighty Mouse gets in!

[a_sensei]

Hey Moonbeam, not to complicate things but you have rasta_marley's vote for Stoudamire twice and don't have my vote for Bobby Gross counted.

[Norm2953]

That's the problem for I wouldn't have picked Gross and think picking one of the
leaders of the Jail Blazers is a non starter even at #17. Those teams had really
turned off the fans with their antics which put a lot of pressure on the rookies
from 2006 draft (B-Roy and LA) who were up to the task. If I had it over again,
any of those other guys who got one vote is preferable to Gross or Damon.

What exactly did the jail Blazers do, smoke weed? Sure there were other incidents but if weed smoking is the primary "issue" of the jail blazers era I think with hindsight it wouldn't be entirely unfair to say that the "issues" on that team were greatly embellished.

It's been a long time now so I can't remember many details. There definitely was weed. Damon tried to take some through an airport metal detector while it was wrapped in tin foil. There was the dog fighting. The towel thrown at Arvydas. The basketball that took out Boumtje. The Hoops Love club rape allegations. The drug dealer that Zach's crew beat up. Ruben Patterson and the nanny. Sheed being racist. Bonzi blacking out. Rider and the lynching. Kato and the porn flick. Just a bunch of crap. Seemed like something everyday. I've probably forgotten most of it.

It made it so most of Portland did not want to identify as a Blazer fan.

That's a pretty good summary of that collection of players known as the Jail Blazers which made the team a laughing
stock around the league. Things to add would be how those teams turned off the fan base that season ticket sales
severely dropped which is the one thing which will motivate a team to make changes and how early on in B-Roy's
career in Portland, he got into the remaining Jail Blazers and informed them things are going to change and the
antics will stop. If Twardzik, Lloyd Neal, Bob Gross, etc are the rafters in the MC, I'd love to see #7 there as well.

[PDXKnight]

That's the problem for I wouldn't have picked Gross and think picking one of the
leaders of the Jail Blazers is a non starter even at #17. Those teams had really
turned off the fans with their antics which put a lot of pressure on the rookies
from 2006 draft (B-Roy and LA) who were up to the task. If I had it over again,
any of those other guys who got one vote is preferable to Gross or Damon.

What exactly did the jail Blazers do, smoke weed? Sure there were other incidents but if weed smoking is the primary "issue" of the jail blazers era I think with hindsight it wouldn't be entirely unfair to say that the "issues" on that team were greatly embellished.

It's been a long time now so I can't remember many details. There definitely was weed. Damon tried to take some through an airport metal detector while it was wrapped in tin foil. There was the dog fighting. The towel thrown at Arvydas. The basketball that took out Boumtje. The Hoops Love club rape allegations. The drug dealer that Zach's crew beat up. Ruben Patterson and the nanny. Sheed being racist. Bonzi blacking out. Rider and the lynching. Kato and the porn flick. Just a bunch of crap. Seemed like something everyday. I've probably forgotten most of it.

It made it so most of Portland did not want to identify as a Blazer fan.

Ok i'd forgotten about some of those other details. Out of what you listed Damon only had the weed violation though so ultimately if we are going by today's standards I think Damon had a very valid point when he said he was unfairly assessed based on that one incident. Was it extremely stupid to bring weed in tin foil through airport security? Certainly but at the same time it isn't what I'd consider that big of a blunder by today's standards and certainly weed was used widely enough at the time that it was basically legal in oregon even before it became official.

[Masterfully]

Oh definitely. Damon was a choir boy compared to many of his teammates.

I remember when a media member was asking him if the playbook was too complicated and he said, "Man, we got four plays." Almost saying, these guys are a bunch of knuckleheads.

I didn't vote for Damon because I don't think he was very good. I think you could replace him with almost any other PG and those teams would have been as good or better. They played best when Pippen ran the point and Damon played as a 5'10" SG.

[Moonbeam]

Hey Moonbeam, not to complicate things but you have rasta_marley's vote for Stoudamire twice and don't have my vote for Bobby Gross counted.

Oh dear. I've mucked that one up! I've been very busy with work for the past week or so, and it's showing.

Bob Gross received more prior support than Stoudamire (2 votes for Gross in #16 and 1 for Stoudamire in #15), so Gross gets in at 17 and Stoudamire at 18.