Harrison Barnes Preseason Stats.

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Like MJ say, you have to play every game like it's NBA final.

Unfortunately, not many can be like MJ. Harrison Barnes seems like the case.

[KennyDuwayne]

Like MJ say, you have to play every game like it's NBA final.

Unfortunately, not many can be like MJ. Harrison Barnes seems like the case.

The irony was in the fact that Harrison Barnes played like garbage during the finals.

And thus the saying rings true

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Like MJ say, you have to play every game like it's NBA final.

Unfortunately, not many can be like MJ. Harrison Barnes seems like the case.

The irony was in the fact that Harrison Barnes played like garbage during the finals.

And thus the saying rings true

Perfect.

[RxMidnight]

And to think people actually thought he'd be the next Harden.

Can I get a link to these hilarious posts?

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1421653

[shangrila]

It's bad but you could see it coming. A guy moving from the bottom to the top of the offensive pecking order was always going to have an adjustment period. A new team wouldn't help either.

But he was never and will never be worth that contract. He'll be a solid starter which isn't worth a fifth of your cap.

[Dirk]

[Pinkyring]

Just another wasted off season signing for the mavs, but this like matthews everybody already knew. Why we chose to max out role players that dont move the needle is truly beyond me. At best he's rudy gay, so trade for rudy gay sheesh

[tsherkin]

It's the preseason. Barnes isn't a stunner, but I wouldn't make much of his preseason numbers. Those shooting numbers are really bad, and mind that this is a guy who has shot 37.6% on 2.5 3PA/g in his career to date (307 games) in the actual regular season. It's a bad run in meaningless games. He has posted consecutive seasons of 46.6%+ FG%, I don't think that a handful of games shooting under 30% in the preseason are illustrative of anything, particularly while learning a new system. He's not a world-beater superstar, but he'll be all right as the season gets underway.

[John Murdoch]

Yeah Mavs r in rough shape. Reminds me of when we were signing losers like Boozer and Jamison to bandaid over before kobe called it quits . Give it another 5 yrs and they will be back on track

[Otis Driftwood]

sigh...

[Zion Wembanyama]

Not going to rag on Dallas or Barnes, being a UNC fan, but Rudy Gay may have been a better option.

[Impuniti]

It's the preseason. Barnes isn't a stunner, but I wouldn't make much of his preseason numbers. Those shooting numbers are really bad, and mind that this is a guy who has shot 37.6% on 2.5 3PA/g in his career to date (307 games) in the actual regular season. It's a bad run in meaningless games. He has posted consecutive seasons of 46.6%+ FG%, I don't think that a handful of games shooting under 30% in the preseason are illustrative of anything, particularly while learning a new system. He's not a world-beater superstar, but he'll be all right as the season gets underway.

Yes, that's when he was 4th choice and the entire team put defenders on Steph, Klay and then Dray. He basically took wide open shots, because shots he took with someone on him were abysmal %s. He also is higher in the pecking order and has to make his shot, will be marked more. Unless he's magically going to turn into this type of player (he won't), his numbers with the Warriors are bloated. A lot of players TS% would raise 5-10+% in his position had they moved instead of Durant.

[LloydFree]

40 mil combined for Matthews and Barnes.

Matthews was a good player though. Barnes... I've never got it.

[tsherkin]

Yes, that's when he was 4th choice and the entire team put defenders on Steph, Klay and then Dray. He basically took wide open shots, because shots he took with someone on him were abysmal %s. He also is higher in the pecking order and has to make his shot, will be marked more. Unless he's magically going to turn into this type of player (he won't), his numbers with the Warriors are bloated. A lot of players TS% would raise 5-10+% in his position had they moved instead of Durant.

You're basically ignoring four years worth of data. Dray was nobody for the first two years of Barnes' career, and while his overall FG% was crappier then, the 3pt shot was there. Wasn't quite as good for sure, but he was still a competent 35% 3pt shooter. He started to get some more corner 3s, so his overall percentages improved. Team quality, no doubt. Assisted buckets, no doubt.

But come on, let's not pretend the Mavs are stupid enough to think that a guy who has never averaged 12 ppg and has never been known for isolation sets is going to suddenly come in there and revolutionize their offense. Do you think Carlisle is a moron?

We know they're running Dirk, Deron and Matthews ahead of him in the pecking order, so I'm not entirely sure where you think Barnes is going to see a major difference in his placement in the pecking order while coming to Dallas. We can pretty much guess that Deron and Barea will be doing the dribble initiation, that Dirk will be the primary threat while he is on the floor, that Matthews will pick up shots after that and that maybe Seth Curry will stick and provide some spacing. Barnes is going to be asked to do only so much, so I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

The guy is a good catch-and-shoot 3pt shooter, particularly when he can camp the corner. Well, funny story, the Mavs are going to run high mid-screens and action for their guards on the wings, and they're going to try to get post-ups for Dirk on the elbows and blocks, and that'll leave space for camp shooters in the corners, which is exactly where he excels and what forms the basis of his skills. He can run out in transition, hit those spots and hit those shots. That's all they're going to ask of him, most likely. Anything more would be foolish, and Carlisle has spent years proving that he is no fool.

[Kswiss]

Yes, that's when he was 4th choice and the entire team put defenders on Steph, Klay and then Dray. He basically took wide open shots, because shots he took with someone on him were abysmal %s. He also is higher in the pecking order and has to make his shot, will be marked more. Unless he's magically going to turn into this type of player (he won't), his numbers with the Warriors are bloated. A lot of players TS% would raise 5-10+% in his position had they moved instead of Durant.

You're basically ignoring four years worth of data. Dray was nobody for the first two years of Barnes' career, and while his overall FG% was crappier then, the 3pt shot was there. Wasn't quite as good for sure, but he was still a competent 35% 3pt shooter. He started to get some more corner 3s, so his overall percentages improved. Team quality, no doubt. Assisted buckets, no doubt.

But come on, let's not pretend the Mavs are stupid enough to think that a guy who has never averaged 12 ppg and has never been known for isolation sets is going to suddenly come in there and revolutionize their offense. Do you think Carlisle is a moron?

We know they're running Dirk, Deron and Matthews ahead of him in the pecking order, so I'm not entirely sure where you think Barnes is going to see a major difference in his placement in the pecking order while coming to Dallas. We can pretty much guess that Deron and Barea will be doing the dribble initiation, that Dirk will be the primary threat while he is on the floor, that Matthews will pick up shots after that and that maybe Seth Curry will stick and provide some spacing. Barnes is going to be asked to do only so much, so I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

The guy is a good catch-and-shoot 3pt shooter, particularly when he can camp the corner. Well, funny story, the Mavs are going to run high mid-screens and action for their guards on the wings, and they're going to try to get post-ups for Dirk on the elbows and blocks, and that'll leave space for camp shooters in the corners, which is exactly where he excels and what forms the basis of his skills. He can run out in transition, hit those spots and hit those shots. That's all they're going to ask of him, most likely. Anything more would be foolish, and Carlisle has spent years proving that he is no fool.

And all for the bargain price of 20+ mil a season...

[tsherkin]

And all for the bargain price of 20+ mil a season...

Which stings, because it wasn't an awesome signing, but relative to the cap, it isn't QUITE as bad as it seems. Not quite as bad. Cuban has always been loose with money, though, so a signing of that sort isn't a surprise. It's a 4-year deal, and the Mavs aren't going anywhere special any time soon. Dirk's ancient and will retire soon, Deron is well past his prime, they don't have star power and they don't have elite talent any longer. I don't think they hold illusions about contention or serious competitive force, so I don't think management much minded throwing that much money in Barnes' direction because they're not likely to capture lightning in a bottle any time soon. It's a little off-kilter in my head, but they won't be tanking this year with Dirk anyway, so they are sort of in limbo.

Still, hefty tag for a guy who is basically a weaker version of Damon Jones, I will cede that much.

[Impuniti]

Yes, that's when he was 4th choice and the entire team put defenders on Steph, Klay and then Dray. He basically took wide open shots, because shots he took with someone on him were abysmal %s. He also is higher in the pecking order and has to make his shot, will be marked more. Unless he's magically going to turn into this type of player (he won't), his numbers with the Warriors are bloated. A lot of players TS% would raise 5-10+% in his position had they moved instead of Durant.

You're basically ignoring four years worth of data. Dray was nobody for the first two years of Barnes' career, and while his overall FG% was crappier then, the 3pt shot was there. Wasn't quite as good for sure, but he was still a competent 35% 3pt shooter. He started to get some more corner 3s, so his overall percentages improved. Team quality, no doubt. Assisted buckets, no doubt.

But come on, let's not pretend the Mavs are stupid enough to think that a guy who has never averaged 12 ppg and has never been known for isolation sets is going to suddenly come in there and revolutionize their offense. Do you think Carlisle is a moron?

We know they're running Dirk, Deron and Matthews ahead of him in the pecking order, so I'm not entirely sure where you think Barnes is going to see a major difference in his placement in the pecking order while coming to Dallas. We can pretty much guess that Deron and Barea will be doing the dribble initiation, that Dirk will be the primary threat while he is on the floor, that Matthews will pick up shots after that and that maybe Seth Curry will stick and provide some spacing. Barnes is going to be asked to do only so much, so I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

The guy is a good catch-and-shoot 3pt shooter, particularly when he can camp the corner. Well, funny story, the Mavs are going to run high mid-screens and action for their guards on the wings, and they're going to try to get post-ups for Dirk on the elbows and blocks, and that'll leave space for camp shooters in the corners, which is exactly where he excels and what forms the basis of his skills. He can run out in transition, hit those spots and hit those shots. That's all they're going to ask of him, most likely. Anything more would be foolish, and Carlisle has spent years proving that he is no fool.

I'm not really ignoring it though. After his first year, he had potential. But it never amounted to anything. Before Dray turned into an important player, there still were the Splash brothers. I don't really want to hear that Mavs were stupid enough.. Yes, that's the point. They are idiots. The money they've dropped on Mathews and Barnes shows that they are idiots. I don't think Carlisle is a moron when it comes to coaching but based on these two moves if he had a huge input, then I surely wouldn't want to ever get his opinion on squad management.

You're kidding yourself if you think Barnes won't be expected (at first until he fails) to be 2nd option to shoot. You don't pay someone 20m+ to be 4th option when it comes to shooting, unless he's one of the best defenders or elite rebounding/blocking in the league. In regards to catch and shoot, he's solid. Problem is that Mavs won't be able to give him as many open looks like the Warriors, and the difference will be noticeable.

[tsherkin]

I'm not really ignoring it though. After his first year, he had potential.

In no way is the word, or the concept of, "potential" relevant to anything I said. I have no illusions that he'll be anything more than he has been to this point, and do not project that he'll be anything more than a corner catch-and-shoot guy who can maybe score in low double digits.

You're kidding yourself if you think Barnes won't be expected (at first until he fails) to be 2nd option to shoot. You don't pay someone 20m+ to be 4th option when it comes to shooting, unless he's one of the best defenders or elite rebounding/blocking in the league. In regards to catch and shoot, he's solid. Problem is that Mavs won't be able to give him as many open looks like the Warriors, and the difference will be noticeable.

Mmm, but given the cap environment, he's not actually getting paid like the normal feel of a 20-mil player, so that's an overreach on the basis of a raw number instead of what it actually means. I can't fathom a situation where he'll be used ahead of Dirk or Deron, and probably not even Matthews. It just doesn't make sense.

[Scalabrine]

40 mil combined for Matthews and Barnes.

Yeah, don't even start me on Matthews. There are like two NBA players who managed to come back from an achilles rupture effectively, ever.

I don't believe ANYONE has ever come back to be the same player or better after an achilles injury of his magnitude.

Dominique Wilkins is the only one that came kind of close that I can think of, but even he wasn't quite as good and went to a much more inefficient perimeter based game. Who was the other you had in mind?

Players have come back to be solid role players and made positive impacts, sure, but teams shouldn't be paying them 18 a year over 4 years. I guess it's a little different now that totally unproven players like Allen Crabbe, Tyler Johnson, Timofey Mozgov, and Barnes are actually making more than him without having any sort of track record to prove they're worth it.

[Johnny Firpo]

And to think people actually thought he'd be the next Harden.

Can I get a link to these hilarious posts?

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1421653

Look at this gem for example.

"Sure, he can break out, but agree with the others that he does not have the same kind of offensive potential. I could definitely see him become a 20/8/3 player though and an all star. It will never happen with the Warriors of course where he is a 4/A or 4/B option (with Igoudala) at best. I am curious if he sees himself as a star player because if he does, there is only one option, leaving the team as soon as he is an UFA."

This idiot was me. In my defense, I'm pretty sure I changed my stance on him pretty quickly after that, and most certainly after doing some research on him when it looked like we will sign him.