Best offers for harrison barnes

[Kizz Fastfists]

Oladipo and Kanter for Barnes, Matthews and Yogi.

[Soulyss]

Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews for
Allen Crabbe (3 pt shooting), Evan Turner (facilitator - Chandler Parsons role & Wes' Defense)
and one of Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard + the 20th pick.

That's beyond bad lol.
Even if you consider Wes for Crabbe a wash (I don't, but it's not horrible), Turner + Harkless/Leonard + 20 for Barnes is so bad for Dallas.... Turner/Leonard probably cost you #20 to move one at a time let alone together... Portland probably has to include all their picks this year to make this considerable for Dallas. Just my opinion though.

I am embarrassed this trade came from a Blazer fan...

I agree wes for crabbe is a wash and probably a better fit for each team. So set that aside

Mavs arent trading HB. Hes more valuable to them than anyone else. I am thinking the conversation woukd start at 15 & 26, Turner & Davis .. but thats not enough and hes not worth more than that to the blazers. Poor fit..

[Roddy B for 3]

Let's help each other out here.. dirk needs a pg and u need lotto pick too.

Rubio or Dunn ( your choice) plus pick 6
For
Barnes and pick number 9 or your first round next year



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I would consider Dunn(or Rubio) + #6 + 2018 Minnesota lotto protected 1st (so unlikely to convert next season) for Barnes.

Harrison seems to like DFW. Harrison is the best FA a FA hunting team has got, maybe ever?
#6 isn't a guarantee to be aa good as Harrison, far from it.

#6 > Harrison for L.A.L.
Harrison > #6 for Dallas

We'll probably have a top 10 SF for a decade (barring injuries) if we're willing to pay market value on HB. #6 could be Johnny Flynn.

And not to offend TWolve fans but Dunn looks like a smaller Victor Oladipo. With a little more PG skills due to nessesity, due to being smaller. (I hope Dunn works out, but I'd bet against a True Holiday season.

Also HB had a career year after getting paid. He will probably improve, most NBA players go the other way.

#6 + Dunn + lotto protected 20181st + bad contract for Harrison Barnes
Is the level of which I could accept from Minesota in a HB/#6 trade scenario.

[Roddy B for 3]

Oladipo and Kanter for Barnes, Matthews and Yogi.

When Oladipo opens his offensive game (gym>partying with Russ) up or Kanter quits being horrible defensively we will consider. Yogi + max space > Oladipo ( and definitely Kanter) as far I'M conserended​.

[Roddy B for 3]

Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews for
Allen Crabbe (3 pt shooting), Evan Turner (facilitator - Chandler Parsons role & Wes' Defense)
and one of Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard + the 20th pick.

That's beyond bad lol.
Even if you consider Wes for Crabbe a wash (I don't, but it's not horrible), Turner + Harkless/Leonard + 20 for Barnes is so bad for Dallas.... Turner/Leonard probably cost you #20 to move one at a time let alone together... Portland probably has to include all their picks this year to make this considerable for Dallas. Just my opinion though.

I am embarrassed this trade came from a Blazer fan...

I agree wes for crabbe is a wash and probably a better fit for each team. So set that aside

Mavs arent trading HB. Hes more valuable to them than anyone else. I am thinking the conversation woukd start at 15 & 26, Turner & Davis .. but thats not enough and hes not worth more than that to the blazers. Poor fit..

I'll tell you flat out. Dallas is a conservative town that likes to win business deals. This flows from oil to real estate to Jerry Jones to Cuban. It's a culture thing here. I'm going to try to sell you on HB in Portland.

HB knows G.S. ticks better than almost anybody.

Dame
C.J.
Aminu
HB
Nurkic

Could upset G.S. if HB gets hot and Aminu outplays Harkless.

Portland-
15/20/2018 1st + non Turner contract
For HB

Team X
9+15+20 (maybe +Harkless)
For lotto winning top three pick

Dallas
Top 3 pick + (positve asset) (+ asset is because HB = top 3 pick cost of doing deal needs added incentive)
For HB

This would screw Dirk so Cuban wouldn't do it.

[Roddy B for 3]

HB for Fultz/Josh Jackson is a deal I would like.

No other pick in the draft would I do straight up for HB. So there is his value.

[LightTheBeam]

HB for Fultz/Josh Jackson is a deal I would like.

No other pick in the draft would I do straight up for HB. So there is his value.

I thought I didn't understand your last post, then I saw this. You do realize we're talking about Harrison Barnes right? I get you are high on him but lets be real. His value is around 10-14 with cap savings. He isn't anywhere close to getting you in the top 3. I can understand wanting to hold onto him, but be realistic on posting what a guys worth is.

Its always okay to use the whole "Hes worth more to us than you". But a top 2 pick for Harrison Barnes? No team in top 5even answers your call.

[Texas Chuck]

Harrison Barnes and Wes Matthews for
Allen Crabbe (3 pt shooting), Evan Turner (facilitator - Chandler Parsons role & Wes' Defense)
and one of Mo Harkless or Meyers Leonard + the 20th pick.

Ouch this is ugly for Dallas. That is a ton of bad money to take on for a late 1st. No chance Dallas has any interest in this offer.

[Texas Chuck]

HB for Fultz/Josh Jackson is a deal I would like.

No other pick in the draft would I do straight up for HB. So there is his value.

I thought I didn't understand your last post, then I saw this. You do realize we're talking about Harrison Barnes right? I get you are high on him but lets be real. His value is around 10-14 with cap savings. He isn't anywhere close to getting you in the top 3. I can understand wanting to hold onto him, but be realistic on posting what a guys worth is.

Its always okay to use the whole "Hes worth more to us than you". But a top 2 pick for Harrison Barnes? No team in top 5even answers your call.

It's a deal I'd like too.

But yeah Barnes isn't bringing back a top 3 pick. That's just not remotely reasonable. I think some Mavs mistakenly inflate his value because of the constant hard sell by Cuban on Barnes as a franchise player. He's not remotely a franchise player.

[LightTheBeam]

HB for Fultz/Josh Jackson is a deal I would like.

No other pick in the draft would I do straight up for HB. So there is his value.

I thought I didn't understand your last post, then I saw this. You do realize we're talking about Harrison Barnes right? I get you are high on him but lets be real. His value is around 10-14 with cap savings. He isn't anywhere close to getting you in the top 3. I can understand wanting to hold onto him, but be realistic on posting what a guys worth is.

Its always okay to use the whole "Hes worth more to us than you". But a top 2 pick for Harrison Barnes? No team in top 5even answers your call.

It's a deal I'd like too.

But yeah Barnes isn't bringing back a top 3 pick. That's just not remotely reasonable. I think some Mavs mistakenly inflate his value because of the constant hard sell by Cuban on Barnes as a franchise player. He's not remotely a franchise player.

Agreed. The Celtics are the only team that he would make sense on in the top end of the draft, yet they would be looking more at George or Butler with the #1. I don't think Barnes is near the player either of those guys are.

I actually really like Barnes, Id love to have him on the Kings. I was kicking and screaming when we had Cousins and Tyreke and ended up drafting Thomas Robinson instead of him. That being said he doesn't make to much sense for a post Cousins team, and while hes still young enough to join our core Id probably hold my offer at something like Bogdan, Richardson, Koufos and #34 for him. I doubt thats enough to grease the wheels but I wouldn't be interested in trading a top 10 pick for him. Had we still had Cousins I would, but with this roster it just doesn't make sense.

[Roddy B for 3]

HB for Fultz/Josh Jackson is a deal I would like.

No other pick in the draft would I do straight up for HB. So there is his value.

I thought I didn't understand your last post, then I saw this. You do realize we're talking about Harrison Barnes right? I get you are high on him but lets be real. His value is around 10-14 with cap savings. He isn't anywhere close to getting you in the top 3. I can understand wanting to hold onto him, but be realistic on posting what a guys worth is.

Its always okay to use the whole "Hes worth more to us than you". But a top 2 pick for Harrison Barnes? No team in top 5even answers your call.

It's a deal I'd like too.

But yeah Barnes isn't bringing back a top 3 pick. That's just not remotely reasonable. I think some Mavs mistakenly inflate his value because of the constant hard sell by Cuban on Barnes as a franchise player. He's not remotely a franchise player.

On May 5th 2017, Roddy B for three is writing, I would rather root for a Maverick team with 25+% of its cap tied up in Harrison Barnes for what I hope to be 7+ more years than 1/3 of that 25+% tied up in whoever Dallas would pick with Jackson/Fultz off the 2017 NBA draft board. That includes Ball, Tatum, Issac, Smith, Fox, Monk, Lauri, etc. I hope I am being clear. IDK if anyone thinks that isn't the consensus opinion so I must be wrong in thinking that would provide ME, as a Maverick fan the greatest sense of satisfaction.

PizzaGuy, if 10,000,000 people are poled saying the value of ice cream is worth two dollars but you wouldn't spend 1 dollar on ice cream does that make you wrong?

Why wouldn't teams answer calls involving top 10 SF's on the trade block? That sounds like David Kahn GM level.

And I understand if a mod gets on me for this and I hope they don't erase my first three non personal paragraphs. I'm going to tell you if I feel like your trying to brow beat me into joining the consensus on the value I place on my hometown teams best FA signing in a decade+. I watch the Mavs for enjoyment, I enjoy watching Harrison Barnes, maybe I would enjoy watching Lonzo Ball more, but I don't want to take that risk. I hope that is something you can understand and respect. Being as basketball is about entertainment. I KNOW I am making the right decision.

Last note my feelings on HB's worth relative to the draft picks could indicate me being overwhelmed by HB or underwhelmed by the prospects 3-60 in this draft relative to HB.

For instance, HB is a frindge all-star. Jonathan Issac could bust, HARD. HB is a frindge all-star Deaaron Fox could be Elfred Payton 2.0. Malik Monk could be Seth Curry and Lonzo Ball annoys me, dudes Dad rubbed off on him.

Insert Peter Griffin chossing the mystery box over a boat.. because it could be a boat. Heck the mystery box could be a boat with Guaranteed Gas for a decade.

I remember when I was a kid, I'd tease my Maverick fan father "Would you trade Dirk for Tim Duncan?" He would decline and insist you don't trade a star for a star. You trade for a star to add to your star. You trade for Rasheed to add to Ben. Cuban could have traded Dirk for Shaq, but the Billionaire said. You don't trade a star for a star you trade for a star to play with your star. Allen to add to Pierce. If I could have traded Dirk for Duncan I would have, but they may have created a KG in Minnesota situation that never titled. Good thing we didn't do that.

Apply all the above to upper tier starters with potential for more to HB vs #3-60 picks.

I would have traded HB for #3 in 2003, 2009, 2005, and several other drafts not 2017. I don't want to pay 100$ a month for cable to watch Dennis Smith Jr. Kick out to Dorrian Finney-Smith next year.

[Texas Chuck]

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On May 5th 2017, Roddy B for three is writing, I would rather root for a Maverick team with 25+% of its cap tied up in Harrison Barnes for what I hope to be 7+ more years than 1/3 of that 25+% tied up in whoever Dallas would pick with Jackson/Fultz off the 2017 NBA draft board. That includes Ball, Tatum, Issac, Smith, Fox, Monk, Lauri, etc. I hope I am being clear. IDK if anyone thinks that isn't the consensus opinion so I must be wrong in thinking that would provide ME, as a Maverick fan the greatest sense of satisfaction.

PizzaGuy, if 10,000,000 people are poled saying the value of ice cream is worth two dollars but you wouldn't spend 1 dollar on ice cream does that make you wrong?

Why wouldn't teams answer calls involving top 10 SF's on the trade block? That sounds like David Kahn GM level.

And I understand if a mod gets on me for this and I hope they don't erase my first three non personal paragraphs.

Not interested in touching anyone's content as long as they aren't inappropriate. Lots of people post all kinds of things Mods like, love, hate, agree with, disagree with whatever. But we respect your right to your opinions again within reason. So that's a non-issue.


And you are allowed to state your opinion. But when you don't make it as crystal clear as you did in the post I'm quoting here that this is just what you want as a fan and not your opinion about value, its easy for the rest of us to get confused.

I'm okay with you really being a fan of Harrison and preferring rooting for him over any of the other kids in the draft. That's cool. Me and pizzaguy were just expressing our opinion that Barnes doesn't have the kind of value to get Fultz or Jackson. And I definitely didn't read his post as trying to browbeat you, but I'll let him clear that up on his own.

But I always support guys being fans here--as long as they don't get upset when other posters express a different opinion in terms of value. If all of us went around putting homer value on our favorite players this board would suck--obviously.

[Roddy B for 3]

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On May 5th 2017, Roddy B for three is writing, I would rather root for a Maverick team with 25+% of its cap tied up in Harrison Barnes for what I hope to be 7+ more years than 1/3 of that 25+% tied up in whoever Dallas would pick with Jackson/Fultz off the 2017 NBA draft board. That includes Ball, Tatum, Issac, Smith, Fox, Monk, Lauri, etc. I hope I am being clear. IDK if anyone thinks that isn't the consensus opinion so I must be wrong in thinking that would provide ME, as a Maverick fan the greatest sense of satisfaction.

PizzaGuy, if 10,000,000 people are poled saying the value of ice cream is worth two dollars but you wouldn't spend 1 dollar on ice cream does that make you wrong?

Why wouldn't teams answer calls involving top 10 SF's on the trade block? That sounds like David Kahn GM level.

And I understand if a mod gets on me for this and I hope they don't erase my first three non personal paragraphs.

Not interested in touching anyone's content as long as they aren't inappropriate. Lots of people post all kinds of things Mods like, love, hate, agree with, disagree with whatever. But we respect your right to your opinions again within reason. So that's a non-issue.


And you are allowed to state your opinion. But when you don't make it as crystal clear as you did in the post I'm quoting here that this is just what you want as a fan and not your opinion about value, its easy for the rest of us to get confused.

I'm okay with you really being a fan of Harrison and preferring rooting for him over any of the other kids in the draft. That's cool. Me and pizzaguy were just expressing our opinion that Barnes doesn't have the kind of value to get Fultz or Jackson. And I definitely didn't read his post as trying to browbeat you, but I'll let him clear that up on his own.

But I always support guys being fans here--as long as they don't get upset when other posters express a different opinion in terms of value. If all of us went around putting homer value on our favorite players this board would suck--obviously.

Theirs a school of thought that that is what the NBA is. It's winning and losing so you need to get maximum return for your asset. Not equivalent.

HB = 10-14 pick is not a winning Maverick trade. Therefore the Mavericks should not do that.

Before I hijacked the thread this was not the most entertaining thread, we know that. This thread would have likley died or turned into a Portland fans thoughts on HB thread or a thread that would have been remembered as Minny wants our 2018 1st + #9 + HB for Dunn + #6

I feel if HB = pick 110 then
#10 + #9 + 2018 1st (on a team sans HB) for Dunn + #6

Is about equivalent to

HB for #2

Why aren't we all going on about the ridiculousness of that offer?? 'SOTA IS TRYING TO BEND US OVER BROTHER!! STAND TOGETHER MY DAWG. YA DIG?

PORTLAND OFFERED BAD CONTRACTS AND NON LOTTO PICKS FOR OUR #1 SCORER, HB!! WHAT KIND OF CRAP THEY TRYNA PULL ON YOUR MAVS CHUCK????? SO SUSPEND THOSE FOLLS AND LET 'EM KNOW WHO MODERATES THIS BOARD!!! LETS GET SOME WILD WEST TEXAS CHUCK MAV FAN MODDIN UP IN THIS BOARD AND TELL THESE NON MAVERICK NORTHENERS IF THEY WANT TO POST HERE THEY NEEDA THROW THE MAVS SOME GOODIES!!!! I'M TALKING DAM AND WIGGINS FOR DFS OR YA GET SUSPENDED BRO.

[Roddy B for 3]

OLADIPO AND KANTER FOR HB AND OUR FRANCHISE PG??? QUE PASA DAWG??? NAW GET THAT OUTTA HERE HOMIE #KIZZFASTFISTS #I'MOUT

[Roddy B for 3]

People like crazies breaking the mahnaughtny and regular. We spice things up like garlic salt on chicken

[wolves_89]

#6 + Dunn + lotto protected 20181st + bad contract for Harrison Barnes
Is the level of which I could accept from Minesota in a HB/#6 trade scenario.

That is definitely not happening. The Wolves would never do #6 for Barnes let alone add significantly more value.

[andyhop]

Let's help each other out here.. dirk needs a pg and u need lotto pick too.

Rubio or Dunn ( your choice) plus pick 6
For
Barnes and pick number 9 or your first round next year



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Wouldn't do either of those deals for the Wolves , I'd want compensating for taking on Barnes not adding value

[Roddy B for 3]

Let's help each other out here.. dirk needs a pg and u need lotto pick too.

Rubio or Dunn ( your choice) plus pick 6
For
Barnes and pick number 9 or your first round next year



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Wouldn't do either of those deals for the Wolves , I'd want compensating for taking on Barnes not adding value

I suppose if you and I GM'd our respective teams we would not be able to work out a Harrison Barnes trade.

[HotrodBeaubois]

Let's help each other out here.. dirk needs a pg and u need lotto pick too.

Rubio or Dunn ( your choice) plus pick 6
For
Barnes and pick number 9 or your first round next year



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1-Dallas isn't trading Barnes
2-The Portland deals are absolute TRASH

With that said I might consider the Rubio / Dunn + #6 for Barnes + 2018 1st .. I don't trade Barnes +9 to move up to 6th ..

I do like the Idea of getting 6th and 9th in this draft and $10 Million in space if it's Rubio or $20 Million if it's Dunn . There is risk that Barnes is better than 6th ..

Come to think about it I think Barnes is easily worth the 6th Pick straight up so

Dallas trades Barnes
Dallas gets #6

Minny trades #6
Minny gets Barnes

So Dallas ends up with 2017 #6 ,2017 #9 , $25 Million in cap space + plus they keep 2018 1st

Dallas is then should be able to draft Dennis Smith or Fox @6th while also having 9th to go for a Dirk replacement Markannen / Issac

PG-Smith -Fox / Yogi
SG-Curry
SF-DFS / Brussino
PF-Markannen -Issac / Powell / Uthoff
C-Noel / Hammons

Not a bad start for a future team plus with the added cap space you could try to grab another 1st by taking on salary . I try to grab one of Portlands picks in the 20's with a Davis to TPE .

Again I don't think Dallas will trade Barnes and don't want them too but they may consider it if they love Curry and want to keep him while also falling in love with a PG available at 6th .

1-This allows them to grab 2 Top 10 picks plus possibly a franchise PG with the 6th

2-They are able to keep Curry without needing to trade Powell / Matthews / Barea . I don't want to keep Barea / Matthews but by not be forced to dump for Curry they may be able to get more for them in 2018

3-Say they are also able to do the Davis plus one of the 20's Portland picks for TPE and grab a backup SG

They are looking at

Smith-Fox / Yogi
Curry / Portland 20's Pick
DFS / Brussino
Markannen -Issac / Powell / Uhtoff
Noel / Hammons

While also keeping their future picks they would also have a team friendly salary going forward .

[Darren]

Oladipo and Kanter for Barnes, Matthews and Yogi.

When Oladipo opens his offensive game (gym>partying with Russ) up or Kanter quits being horrible defensively we will consider. Yogi + max space > Oladipo ( and definitely Kanter) as far I'M conserended​.

I second that. Oladipo disappears in playoff. That being said, he's nothing closed to be a key piece on good team. Comparatively, Barnes is much better prospect on reasonable contract. The contract would be even more reasonable in a couple of years when every team is forced to overpay mediocre players.

Kanter is a tough call. He's still pretty much himself. Great offensive player but weak defender. He struggles a lot against good team on pick-n-roll. Wes is more useful but inconsistent playoff-wise. We have to see enough improvement of Kanter to make the deal.

Giving away Yogi for free is a bad joke. I'd consider Brussino or Hammons, though. If you expand the trade a bit to involve s-n-t Andre Roberson for Devin Harris, I'd consider it more deeply. We need a stopper on Wes's departure. I am always a fan of Roberson's defense.

So Kanter + Roberson for Matthews + Harris + Brussino / Hammons + Golden States 2019 second round pick is my counter offer. Not sure that the OKC is focused enough for a playoff win. If it is the case, Matthews and Harris should help a lot. Brussino is a similar but better player than Singer. You may find him useful at occasions that you need a 3-point specialist.