Tatum and Brown

[Bar Fight]

Brown is limited talent/skill wise and Tatum has no heart

[BallerForLife34]

I think that we would be slobbering all over these two if we didn't trade for Kyrie & if we didn't get Hayward.
Honestly, their development was really stunned by the fact that neither one of them could get a consistent role (Tatum going from 2nd option last year, to being the no.1 option in the Playoffs to being relegated to 2nd & 3rd option, hell even sometimes 4th. Brown going from 3rd scoring option last year in the regular season to being the second option in the playoffs to being relegated to a bench role within 7 months. Hell, even tho he went thru all of that he still finished this season strong and showed us why we all were high on him last year).

If we just gave the keys to them, we would definitely see improvement.
Young players need to make mistakes to learn, heck everyone in life needs to do that.

That's why this rebuild & compete at the same time plan kinda failed.

I really wish we didn't give up the Brooklyn pick for Kyrie, not that it was a great pick, but imagine having Tatum, Brown, Williams + for example a SGA. We would have amazing upside on defense (Just imagine the length we would have).

The league is gonna change again, and small ball with a 6-2, 6-3 point guard that doesn't attack the rim or play good enough defense is not gonna cut it. (The Bucks showed us what length will do to a guy like Kyrie when he is the main option)

[m haynes]

Tatum and Brown. They are only superstars for Boston Fans. They both have major flaws in their games and never will be top 10 talents in the league.
Tatum has no desire to do anything other than score. Defense and rebounding he could care less.

Brown has to get over that he's not a superstar and learn to except his secondary role. He doesn't have the mental skills, to be the man. His game is all about his physical abilities. What he lacks in BB IQ. You have it or you don't.

This whole teams and some fans think their 1st ballot HOFers !!!!!

[OldCeltics]

OP is correct! Give them the reigns, they will both average 20ppg

When Irving went down in playoffs last year, what happened? Brown and Tatum went into beast mode, to game 7 of Easter Finals.

Time on court and # of shots matters, getting into rhythm, timing. These guys are 22yo, and 20yo. Think how long it took Billups to become an all-star.

[GWVan]

I'm good with what Tatum/Brown/Hayward will be next year. I think we can go back to being a team. Would be nice if we could sign and trade Kyrie for someone.

[bucknersrevenge]

Neither can be stars without better handle and play making. That is a skill. Harden and Kyrie aren't the fastest they have great handle and the ability to change speeds. Curry too. My biggest issue with Tatum is he wants every call but hates contact. Jaylen doesn't care about contact but dribbles like ass.

Ballhandling is not a skill that tends to improve greatly after 22. It's more often something you can either do or you can't do. And mediocre ability in this area at 6-7, 6-8 is going to depress your ability to ever become a real star. In 3 years I think Brown will have topped off the abilities that he can still improve in, FT shooting, overall shooting, offensive awareness, and defense. That would be good enough to maybe make him the 3rd best player on a championship team at best. He is by no means a team leader either. I like him but AD or no AD, I think you move him before committing to re-sign him at FA or S&T him.

Tatum still has loads of potential for sure but make no mistake, even with the congested offense and lots of guys wanting shots, the lack of killer instinct in his game was not something I was prepared for this season. He's got all the talent to get to a level Brown can't see but now I wonder just how badly he wants that.

Oh I very much disagree here, I ball handling is something that can very much improve and often does, especially for wing players. And I don't think its really Browns handle that the problem, he actually made pretty good steps in that regard this year. he lowered his turnover rate and did a much better job keeping his dribble alive this year. With him its more his passing vision, he need to get better hitting guys off the dribble, if he can do that it allows him to operate a lot more as a secondary r primary ball handler which in turn will allow him to take better advantage of his slashing skills.

Often?!?! Are you for real. Name me a bunch of players whose ballhandling has improved significantly to "star" quality after 22. Brown is a below average ballhandler taking into account any "strides" you're suggesting he made. He was god awful with the basketball in his hands after taking more than 2 dribbles. The vast majority of the players his size or less that are stars are excellent ballhandlers. Kawhi's handle isn't Kyrie-level but it's underrated. With experience he can learn how to read defenses better in order to make the right pass at the right time but I think you're fooling yourself if you think he will ever become a better overall passer. Peak Richaerd Jefferson, Desmond Mason is really his ceiling and that's no knock on him. He's just not a foundational player.

[ParticleMan]

word to the OP. brown and tatum may never be true #1s but they brought heart and fight last year, and that was missing this year as they watched kyrie try to hit cheat mode and fail. brown got it back a bit but he isn't a bench player, he's got borderline allstar potential and tatum has perennial allstar potential. let's focus on their development and not try to short circuit this. trust the... um, well, you know what i'm sayin.

[Patsfan1081]

People need top remember that high lottery picks hardly ever get drafted onto contending team. Most go to teams with low expectations where they are given high usg and aren't under the microscope. It's hard to jusdge either's ceiling until they are given the role of a top option, I mean this team just had way too many ball dominant players.

[BRUNiNHO91]

OP is correct! Give them the reigns, they will both average 20ppg

When Irving went down in playoffs last year, what happened? Brown and Tatum went into beast mode, to game 7 of Easter Finals.

Time on court and # of shots matters, getting into rhythm, timing. These guys are 22yo, and 20yo. Think how long it took Billups to become an all-star.

Tobias Harris averaged 20ppg. Terrence Ross could average 20ppg. That means absolutely nothing. Jeff Green averaged nearly 20ppg with us when we gave him the keys.


That fluke ass ECF run meant as much as the one before it did when we nuked the entire roster a few months later.

[cloverleaf]

:-? People need top remember that high lottery picks hardly ever get drafted onto contending team. Most go to teams with low expectations where they are given high usg and aren't under the microscope. It's hard to jusdge either's ceiling until they are given the role of a top option, I mean this team just had way too many ball dominant players.

That's why I want a defensive-specialist center next year and a defend and distribute point guard. JT to be shaken out of his Kobe mid-range stupor, and Hayward as the second ball handler, with him, JT and JB getting the biggest number of shots. The three of them could each get roughly 25% usage with Kyrie gone and role players at the 1 and the 5. That's pretty much what the C's had with their last ring: KG at 25.5%, PP at 24.8%, and RA at 21.6%. With TS% of of .588, .599, and .584 respectively, those three averaged 18.8, 19.6 and 17.4 per game.

I think Gordo will be ready for that Pierce role, even though, no, he's not quite a PP. JB has a different style, and no, he's not RA as a shooter, but he has the ability to deliver more on D than Ray did. And okay, JT is really no KG, but with the right mindset I think he can take another step forward. All three of those guys are legit two-way players (presuming Hayward is back to full strength and speed).

I think those three guys are like plants in the garden that were growing too close together, competing for the same water, nutrients, and sun. Spread them out with a little more room between them next year and they could flourish in a complementary way.

[31to6]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

[FlatearthZorro]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

If he can gain weight, he can. He definitely has the build and will have the time this summer. It's all on him.

[31to6]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

If he can gain weight, he can. He definitely has the build and will have the time this summer. It's all on him.

It’s not out of the question down the road, but after last summer I’m not holding my breath.

[Bill Bradley]

I think they’d both flourish with Kyrie gone. I think people underestimate the impact a chemistry killer can have on the team. Let’s see what they can do.

[K_ick_God]

Brown is limited talent/skill wise and Tatum has no heart

From an outside perspective, I think Tatum has heart. He’s not very big or great at anything yet, but he knows how to compete and has very good skill. I think good starter is a lock. High floor. Ceiling is debatable.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Sorry but both these guys are completely and utterly overrated. I was never a huge fan of the Brown pick and Tatum is a one-dimensional player the quite frankly was underwhelming this year.

As fourth or fifth options they're great as the cornerstones of a franchise youre talking about 25 wins every year.

[cloverleaf]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

If he can gain weight, he can. He definitely has the build and will have the time this summer. It's all on him.

It’s not out of the question down the road, but after last summer I’m not holding my breath.

He was actually a fair amount bigger and stronger this year than last. But yeah, he just turned 21 two months ago and will keep gaining on that for a few more years.

[cloverleaf]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

If he can gain weight, he can. He definitely has the build and will have the time this summer. It's all on him.

I think JT and GH can both be a swing 3/4 and JB a 2/3 wing at this point, depending on how strong an anchor they have at the 5. In my mind Al is back as a bench 4 for when they need to upgrade on size some there.

[CelticsPride18]

Sorry but both these guys are completely and utterly overrated. I was never a huge fan of the Brown pick and Tatum is a one-dimensional player the quite frankly was underwhelming this year.

As fourth or fifth options they're great as the cornerstones of a franchise youre talking about 25 wins every year.

Lol what an awful take. In what world Tatum is a one dimensional player.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Sorry but both these guys are completely and utterly overrated. I was never a huge fan of the Brown pick and Tatum is a one-dimensional player the quite frankly was underwhelming this year.

As fourth or fifth options they're great as the cornerstones of a franchise youre talking about 25 wins every year.

Lol what an awful take. In what world Tatum is a one dimensional player.

What does Tatum do well besides going iso on his defender? He has the same game as Carmelo Anthony except Carmelo Anthony was a significantly better player.