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Proven_Winner wrote:Surprised this isn’t called BS. Bulls have absolutely zero reason to make that decision without knowing who’ll fall. Also PG is our PROBLEM so I’m not sure just drafting another will fix that. Plus dudes have barely worked seriously I really can’t see them giving a promise to him without seeing if culver or hunter falls.

We gave hutch a promise ONLY after we knew they went and watched him multiple times at Boise. On top of that we had an extra pick so that was the gamble. Other than Hutch has Bulls ever even gave a promise let alone in the top 10 without workouts?

If I remember correctly we made JamesOn Curry a promise for some reason. Pax said immediately after the lottery results that getting the 7th pick increases the odds that they'd draft for positional need (I don't understand that reasoning personally). The only way he'll be able to do that is if he dishes out a promise and can convince White/Garland to ignore other teams.

DuckIII wrote:Steve Kyler throws everything at the wall. His tweets mean nothing to me. He’s basically a fraud. For example, earlier he reported it was the Bulls who had given Garland the promise and then insulted them for being “transparent.” So now it’s White? Kyler is a joke.

That said, if this is true, it’s horrible news. But I don’t believe it’s true. I can’t remember when I *hated* the idea of drafting a specific player and the Bulls ended up taking him. I take this as a sign that I have some sort of Jedi mind link with Pax when it comes to the draft.

To be clear, I am strongly, strongly opposed to drafting White. The only guy I am more adamant about not drafting is Bol. And in fairness to White, I have him waaaaaay above Bol.

Knew I wasn’t imagining that. See his tweets on the Bulls on B/R and he and many other “professionals “ make a lot of contradicting tweets. I remember him or someone else clowning the Bulls for not picking up MCW again. Then as the playoffs went on he changed his tune and began trashing MCW.

I understand disliking the Bulls but some of the criticism is very nitpicking. There’s a lot to be upset with that you don’t have to go make up rumors or constantly shut on the team for not grabbing X overrated player or Ex-Bull.

HomoSapien wrote:

Proven_Winner wrote:Surprised this isn’t called BS. Bulls have absolutely zero reason to make that decision without knowing who’ll fall. Also PG is our PROBLEM so I’m not sure just drafting another will fix that. Plus dudes have barely worked seriously I really can’t see them giving a promise to him without seeing if culver or hunter falls.

We gave hutch a promise ONLY after we knew they went and watched him multiple times at Boise. On top of that we had an extra pick so that was the gamble. Other than Hutch has Bulls ever even gave a promise let alone in the top 10 without workouts?

If I remember correctly we made JamesOn Curry a promise for some reason. Pax said immediately after the lottery results that getting the 7th pick increases the odds that they'd draft for positional need (I don't understand that reasoning personally). The only way he'll be able to do that is if he dishes out a promise and can convince White/Garland to ignore other teams.

Yea but he falls in Hutch territory because we already got joakim. I mean I get it but we all assume that’s PG. But IIRC he also said PG needs an upgrade so then we should ask ourselves are any of these guys that better than Dunn. Not potential but legitimately better and to that I can’t say I’m confident any of these guys are much better out the gate.

The more I’ve given thought to it we really shouldn’t draft a PG especially if Dunn is still here. Not because Dunn is more important but because having a rook start at PG is not good for us and this we’d need another this pushing either Dunn or our pick into 3rd string which Dunn is better than and lottery picks don’t get benched like that. When I looked at everyone in front of us we have a very good chance at culver and hunter. Those 2 are better because they’d be first off the bench and would actually make us better day 1 ,(unless they flat out suck)because of our lack of a bench.

Coby White could be a nice scoring punch off the bench while he learns how to play PG for a couple years.

The ability to spread the floor with a long range 3 ball and get your own shot is a very valuable skill in this NBA. If White has that he will be a player.

Cam Payne pt 2. Yuck.

Where's KC with the bucket of ice water when we need him?

Not sure why I'm meant to believe Kyler's sourced reports (apparently) over K.C's. I'm not buying this at all.

Just crap on my ass already

HomoSapien wrote:

Proven_Winner wrote:Surprised this isn’t called BS. Bulls have absolutely zero reason to make that decision without knowing who’ll fall. Also PG is our PROBLEM so I’m not sure just drafting another will fix that. Plus dudes have barely worked seriously I really can’t see them giving a promise to him without seeing if culver or hunter falls.

We gave hutch a promise ONLY after we knew they went and watched him multiple times at Boise. On top of that we had an extra pick so that was the gamble. Other than Hutch has Bulls ever even gave a promise let alone in the top 10 without workouts?

If I remember correctly we made JamesOn Curry a promise for some reason. Pax said immediately after the lottery results that getting the 7th pick increases the odds that they'd draft for positional need (I don't understand that reasoning personally). The only way he'll be able to do that is if he dishes out a promise and can convince White/Garland to ignore other teams.

Just a guess, but I think he meant that if we had landed the #1 pick, we would have been drafting a guy who doesn't play a position of need.

bledredwine wrote:Just crap on my ass already

Wrong message board, bled.

Not saying it's true or it isn't, but yeah, Kyler isn't reputable.

steve kyler is worthless!

I mean it's hard not to believe this. The Bulls need a point guard, and if White falls to #7 I would be surprised if he wasn't the pick.

DuckIII wrote:Steve Kyler throws everything at the wall. His tweets mean nothing to me. He’s basically a fraud. For example, earlier he reported it was the Bulls who had given Garland the promise and then insulted them for being “transparent.” So now it’s White? Kyler is a joke.

That said, if this is true, it’s horrible news. But I don’t believe it’s true. I can’t remember when I *hated* the idea of drafting a specific player and the Bulls ended up taking him. I take this as a sign that I have some sort of Jedi mind link with Pax when it comes to the draft.

To be clear, I am strongly, strongly opposed to drafting White. The only guy I am more adamant about not drafting is Bol. And in fairness to White, I have him waaaaaay above Bol.

You didn't hate Tony Snell instead of thj or Reggie bullocks?

Or marques Teague over a litany of other better players?

Maybe you don't like white because he isn't a typical point guard. He is basically a combo guard with speed . A lot of combo guards arent typically fast, they are shooting guards that can pass. White can make the bulls offense really dangerous, there's nothing to hate about him other than he isn't projected to be an all star.

Not anyone at 7 will be coming in through the door.

A Jamal Murray can make this team extremely dangerous. Of note, Jamal Murray enters the league at 19 years old, and is still only 21 years old. There remains a lot of basketball to be played for Jamal Murray. In comparison, Damian Lillard came into the league at the age of 22 years old.

We should be ecstatic if we can get a similar player out of this raft.

It's like adding speed to an NFL offense.
It's like adding a wide receiver with speed but he can catch too and has decent scoring numbers.

He doesn't have great awareness, or championship ilk or experience but things can be built over time.

If Zach is our qb (number 1 option)
Lauri is our rb ( number 1 option)
Wendell Carter, Otto, Dunn are the primary receiving options. Wcj is really unproven , Otto is a possession receiver and Dunn is a specialist. (Special teamer.)

Sorry for the sports analogy but I wanted to add context that a guys particular ceiling isn't a handicap to how he can help the team.

I’d take cam reddish over him and sign a PG, even if it’s a stopgap one. What’s the point here? You still draft BPA in the top 10

NWIBullsFan wrote:

HomoSapien wrote:

Proven_Winner wrote:Surprised this isn’t called BS. Bulls have absolutely zero reason to make that decision without knowing who’ll fall. Also PG is our PROBLEM so I’m not sure just drafting another will fix that. Plus dudes have barely worked seriously I really can’t see them giving a promise to him without seeing if culver or hunter falls.

We gave hutch a promise ONLY after we knew they went and watched him multiple times at Boise. On top of that we had an extra pick so that was the gamble. Other than Hutch has Bulls ever even gave a promise let alone in the top 10 without workouts?

If I remember correctly we made JamesOn Curry a promise for some reason. Pax said immediately after the lottery results that getting the 7th pick increases the odds that they'd draft for positional need (I don't understand that reasoning personally). The only way he'll be able to do that is if he dishes out a promise and can convince White/Garland to ignore other teams.

Just a guess, but I think he meant that if we had landed the #1 pick, we would have been drafting a guy who doesn't play a position of need.

Yeah, I just don't think we're at a point in our rebuild where we can pass up the BPA. Everyone is still expendable, even Lauri.

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:I’d take cam reddish over him and sign a PG, even if it’s a stopgap one. What’s the point here? You still draft BPA in the top 10

White is clearly a better player than Reddish. So you are not advocating drafting the BPA. You want to draft based on potential based on high school rankings.

We need a PG, Garland and White are the best PG's available that are not named Morant.
I don't see what the exact issue is. You get a player who can come in and help with the scoring load and a guy who will push Dunn to improve.