RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#16 2019-20

[spicy6]

This is how 2K ratings would look for RealGM

1)Kawhi Leonard (LAC) --- 96
2)Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL) --- 95
3)LeBron James (LAL)-42% --- 95
4)Stephen Curry (GSW)-- 95
5)James Harden (HOU)--- 94
6)Anthony Davis (LAL)---- 93
7)Nikola Jokic (DEN)---- 92
8)Joel Embiid (PHI)---- 92
9)Paul George (LAC)----- 91
10)Damian Lillard (POR)---- 91
11)Jimmy Butler (MIA)---- 90
12)Russell Westbrook (HOU)---- 89
13)Rudy Gobert (UTA)---- 89
14)Karl-Anthony Towns (MIN)---- 89
15)Draymond Green (GSW)---- 88

Gobert an 89 lol

[iggymcfrack]

RPM by year:
2014: Blake +4.65 (15th), Lowry +4.25 (21st), Kyrie -1.40 (231st)
2015: Lowry +3.83 (26th), Kyrie +3.40 (38th), Blake +3.35 (40th)
2016: Lowry +6.82 (7th), Blake +2.07 (55th), Kyrie -0.60 (186th)
2017: Lowry +5.88 (10th), Blake +3.78 (22nd), Kyrie +2.05 (53rd)
2018: Lowry +5.18 (9th), Kyrie +2.39 (45th), Blake +2.11 (52nd)
2019: Lowry +4.65 (15th), Kyrie +4.23 (19th), Blake +3.01 (32nd)

Seems like a pretty long stretch of Lowry being better. His worst season beats all but one Blake season and all but one Kyrie season over the last 6 years. Also there’s this:

Regular season games and minutes played over that span:
Lowry- 429 games, 15,094 minutes
Kyrie- 398 games, 13,573 minutes
Blake- 376 games, 13,057 minutes

Playoff games played:
Lowry: 73 games played, 2 games missed (97.3% played)
Blake: 36 games played, 8 games missed (81.8% played)
Kyrie: 61 games played, 26 games missed (70.1% played)

Before Kyrie backers at least had the excuse of “he did it in the pressure cooker of the Finals”. Well now Lowry’s done the same thing. Put up 26/7/10 with 3 steals on 9/16 from the field and 4/7 from three in the decisive Game 6. How can you possibly still justify Kyrie over Lowry?

[PizzaSteve]

many multi year all nba and all stars still not eligible vs 1st time all star types...seems off

[SlowPaced]

Vote: Kyrie
Nominate: Holiday

[niQ]

RPM by year:
2014: Blake +4.65 (15th), Lowry +4.25 (21st), Kyrie -1.40 (231st)
2015: Lowry +3.83 (26th), Kyrie +3.40 (38th), Blake +3.35 (40th)
2016: Lowry +6.82 (7th), Blake +2.07 (55th), Kyrie -0.60 (186th)
2017: Lowry +5.88 (10th), Blake +3.78 (22nd), Kyrie +2.05 (53rd)
2018: Lowry +5.18 (9th), Kyrie +2.39 (45th), Blake +2.11 (52nd)
2019: Lowry +4.65 (15th), Kyrie +4.23 (19th), Blake +3.01 (32nd)

Seems like a pretty long stretch of Lowry being better. His worst season beats all but one Blake season and all but one Kyrie season over the last 6 years. Also there’s this:

Regular season games and minutes played over that span:
Lowry- 429 games, 15,094 minutes
Kyrie- 398 games, 13,573 minutes
Blake- 376 games, 13,057 minutes

Playoff games played:
Lowry: 73 games played, 2 games missed (97.3% played)
Blake: 36 games played, 8 games missed (81.8% played)
Kyrie: 61 games played, 26 games missed (70.1% played)

Before Kyrie backers at least had the excuse of “he did it in the pressure cooker of the Finals”. Well now Lowry’s done the same thing. Put up 26/7/10 with 3 steals on 9/16 from the field and 4/7 from three in the decisive Game 6. How can you possibly still justify Kyrie over Lowry?

This is the part people say stats are not better than the flashy/eye test.

[Metallikid]

Went back to Blake.

NOMINATE CHRIS PAUL FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[Hroz]

Nominate Aldridge

[ImSlower]

Un-nominate Durant
Nominate Siakam

[Metallikid]

The Euro bias on this forum is nuts. The Siakam underrating on this forum is nuts.

Chris Paul hasn't even been nominated yet and he was chosen in the top 10 last year. People on this forum have no consistency or criteria by which they make their judgements it's all who's the flavour of the month.

[lakerz12]

Voting Durant here based on what I think he will be when he returns.

[TheProfessor]

Vote Kyrie
Nominate Cp3
Kyrie is going to make this poll silly after this season.

[pootbrah]

Anyone but Kyrie lol

Nominate Aldridge

[Yallbecrazy]

Kyrie with a massive lead, but in a heads up poll with any of the other 7 candidates he would probably lose every one.

[goober]

Nominate Jrue Holiday

[leolozon]

RPM by year:
2014: Blake +4.65 (15th), Lowry +4.25 (21st), Kyrie -1.40 (231st)
2015: Lowry +3.83 (26th), Kyrie +3.40 (38th), Blake +3.35 (40th)
2016: Lowry +6.82 (7th), Blake +2.07 (55th), Kyrie -0.60 (186th)
2017: Lowry +5.88 (10th), Blake +3.78 (22nd), Kyrie +2.05 (53rd)
2018: Lowry +5.18 (9th), Kyrie +2.39 (45th), Blake +2.11 (52nd)
2019: Lowry +4.65 (15th), Kyrie +4.23 (19th), Blake +3.01 (32nd)

Seems like a pretty long stretch of Lowry being better. His worst season beats all but one Blake season and all but one Kyrie season over the last 6 years. Also there’s this:

Regular season games and minutes played over that span:
Lowry- 429 games, 15,094 minutes
Kyrie- 398 games, 13,573 minutes
Blake- 376 games, 13,057 minutes

Playoff games played:
Lowry: 73 games played, 2 games missed (97.3% played)
Blake: 36 games played, 8 games missed (81.8% played)
Kyrie: 61 games played, 26 games missed (70.1% played)

Before Kyrie backers at least had the excuse of “he did it in the pressure cooker of the Finals”. Well now Lowry’s done the same thing. Put up 26/7/10 with 3 steals on 9/16 from the field and 4/7 from three in the decisive Game 6. How can you possibly still justify Kyrie over Lowry?

This is the part people say stats are not better than the flashy/eye test.

Or maybe RPM is just one stat and isn’t 100% right... If it was we wouldn’t be doing this right now and would just have our top 25 already. I think it’s the only « often used stat » putting Lowry ahead of Kyrie...

But I guess neither of you think George is the best player in the NBA, Vucevic is the 8th and Dany Green is the 13th... so maybe RPM isn’t the only stat you should look at.

Lowry will be a 33 years old small player and he has been on the decline for the past 2 years. The odds of him being top 25 next year, when He barely was this year, are extremely low.

[leolozon]

The Euro bias on this forum is nuts. The Siakam underrating on this forum is nuts.

Chris Paul hasn't even been nominated yet and he was chosen in the top 10 last year. People on this forum have no consistency or criteria by which they make their judgements it's all who's the flavour of the month.

Or maybe Chris Paul just had The worst year of his career and is going to be 34... why are you acting as if things don’t change from year to year?

If people voted Chris Paul top 10 again, then people would really have no criteria.

We vote for the best players in 2019-2020. Not who had the best body of work in the past.

[leolozon]

Nominate : Jrue Holiday. Borderline last year. I think he’s going to be better this year. Still in his prime.

[iggymcfrack]

RPM by year:
2014: Blake +4.65 (15th), Lowry +4.25 (21st), Kyrie -1.40 (231st)
2015: Lowry +3.83 (26th), Kyrie +3.40 (38th), Blake +3.35 (40th)
2016: Lowry +6.82 (7th), Blake +2.07 (55th), Kyrie -0.60 (186th)
2017: Lowry +5.88 (10th), Blake +3.78 (22nd), Kyrie +2.05 (53rd)
2018: Lowry +5.18 (9th), Kyrie +2.39 (45th), Blake +2.11 (52nd)
2019: Lowry +4.65 (15th), Kyrie +4.23 (19th), Blake +3.01 (32nd)

Seems like a pretty long stretch of Lowry being better. His worst season beats all but one Blake season and all but one Kyrie season over the last 6 years. Also there’s this:

Regular season games and minutes played over that span:
Lowry- 429 games, 15,094 minutes
Kyrie- 398 games, 13,573 minutes
Blake- 376 games, 13,057 minutes

Playoff games played:
Lowry: 73 games played, 2 games missed (97.3% played)
Blake: 36 games played, 8 games missed (81.8% played)
Kyrie: 61 games played, 26 games missed (70.1% played)

Before Kyrie backers at least had the excuse of “he did it in the pressure cooker of the Finals”. Well now Lowry’s done the same thing. Put up 26/7/10 with 3 steals on 9/16 from the field and 4/7 from three in the decisive Game 6. How can you possibly still justify Kyrie over Lowry?

This is the part people say stats are not better than the flashy/eye test.

Or maybe RPM is just one stat and isn’t 100% right... If it was we wouldn’t be doing this right now and would just have our top 25 already. I think it’s the only « often used stat » putting Lowry ahead of Kyrie...

But I guess neither of you think George is the best player in the NBA, Vucevic is the 8th and Dany Green is the 13th... so maybe RPM isn’t the only stat you should look at.

Lowry will be a 33 years old small player and he has been on the decline for the past 2 years. The odds of him being top 25 next year, when He barely was this year, are extremely low.

I’m not saying one season of RPM is the be-all end-all, but 6 consecutive seasons of beating someone handily in the best impact stat we have seems pretty reliable to me. I know age is an issue for Lowry and I did drop him for it somewhat, but Lowry could have the biggest decline of his career in RPM and still be better than every season in Kyrie’s career except for one.

Also, remember all those RPM numbers are on a per minute basis and Lowry has consistently been MUCH healthier and more durable than Kyrie. Even if you somehow project them to be the same at full strength this year, you have to give Lowry the edge just for availability.

[Hroz]

Is Aldridge the only (non injured) West All star not on here?

How are borderline east all stars getting chosen before a West All star

Did we forget DeRozan was a starter in the East last year and couldn't make the West team

Not to mention players who didn't make the West All star team are on here.

[iggymcfrack]

Is Aldridge the only (non injured) West All star not on here?

How are borderline east all stars getting chosen before a West All star

Did we forget DeRozan was a starter in the East last year and couldn't make the West team

Not to mention players who didn't make the West All star team are on here.

Aldridge is 34 years old and the Spurs were better with him on the bench than on the floor in both the regular season and postseason last year. He didn’t actually deserve to be an all-star.

If you are just looking at all-stars, Middleton (#9), Klay (#12), and D’Angelo Russell (#17) went higher in the all-star draft than Aldridge (#18) did. Seems like a pretty silly criterion to me though.