Wally Szczerbiak

[JRoy]

Was a Mo Williams level allstar.

Excellent shooter but pretty limited on the other end and struggled with injuries his whole career.

Smart, well spoken guy, wish him well.

[Clyde Frazier]

Yikes...

[likemycurryhot]

Based on what? Diversity?!?

[PlatinumState]

Hof? Bruhhhhhhhhhhh
While we're at it, lets try to get Pat Garrity in the hof

[kevC]

HOF voters try to vote him in but can't spell his name every year.

[jbk1234]

From wiki :

In 2013, Szczerbiak was inducted into the Ohio Basketball Hall of Fame

Its better than nothing

Definitely the best player to come out of MU. Although if Ron Harper hadn't blown out his knee, it would've been him.

[G35]

His seasons were anything but consistent, he was very injury prone and had a short career (he retired at 31). He was a really bad defender also if I can recall.

Kind of shows you how crazy some people are slamming Garnett for his lack of success in Minny. Some people giggle at comparing KG to Duncan, Shaq, Bryant and even Dirk - but for most of Garnett's Minnesota career his best player was Wally Szczerbiak, compare that to the guys the former played with lol.

SA Spurs 2003 championship team roster (Won 60 games)
ORTG 7th
DRTG 3rd

Tim Duncan led that in blocks/pts/rebounds and second in assists

He also led that team in TS% and just about every other advanced stat

The second best player on that team could have been either:

- 2nd year, 20 year old Tony Parker

or

- 31 year old Bruce Bowen

or

- 37 year old David Robinson

Tony Parker avg'd 5.3 assists per game. That is horrible for a starting PG in any era.

He did average 15.5 PPG with a TS% of .542 which is ok, I guess acceptable during the RS. But in the playoffs Tony's numbers took a dip to 14.7 PPG but with a TS% of .468. Tony was horrible in the playoffs and was pulled out of playoff games for Speedy Claxton.

Bruce Bowen while being one of the best man defenders I've ever seen and was invaluable to the Spurs defensive gameplan was just as much of a liability of on offense. His PER during the RS was 9.1 and went down to 8.9 during the playoffs. He was the original "3 and D" guy but not like they are now. He averaged less than two made 3pt shots a game, and always from the corner. You couldn't put Bruce on the wings at all.

David Robinson was also a great contributor on defense but by that time he was 37 years old and he retired after this season. He was only playing half a game, averaging 26 MPG in the RS and 24 MPG in the PS.


This is why Duncan is far and away better than KG. This roster is no better than any of the rosters Garnett had in Minnesota. This is one of the best one man carry jobs that has occurred in the NBA. No one came close to playing All Star caliber on the Spurs and Wally would have been the best shooter on the team.

I bet Wally would have killed to play with Duncan because at least he wouldn't be getting into fights with him.

To provide context, the Wolves 2004 team had better talent than the 2003 Spurs and Garnett still couldn't win 60 games or get to the finals. While Duncan led the Spurs over Kobe/Shaq and Dirk/Nash in the playoffs.

This is why KG has no argument.

Outcome matters, stats do not.

Nobody is going to care about KG's stats after they see Duncan winning a title in 2003 with this roster.......

[SwatLakeCity527]

Who?

[jbk1234]

Who?

The player who led the 10 seeded team to knock off the heavily favored No. 2 seed team in 1999. I figured someone from Utah would remember.

[dirkforpres]

They would need to admit 100 people a year every year in order for Wally to make it eventually

[dho4ever]

His seasons were anything but consistent, he was very injury prone and had a short career (he retired at 31). He was a really bad defender also if I can recall.

Kind of shows you how crazy some people are slamming Garnett for his lack of success in Minny. Some people giggle at comparing KG to Duncan, Shaq, Bryant and even Dirk - but for most of Garnett's Minnesota career his best player was Wally Szczerbiak, compare that to the guys the former played with lol.

SA Spurs 2003 championship team roster (Won 60 games)
ORTG 7th
DRTG 3rd

Tim Duncan led that in blocks/pts/rebounds and second in assists

He also led that team in TS% and just about every other advanced stat

The second best player on that team could have been either:

- 2nd year, 20 year old Tony Parker

or

- 31 year old Bruce Bowen

or

- 37 year old David Robinson

Tony Parker avg'd 5.3 assists per game. That is horrible for a starting PG in any era.

He did average 15.5 PPG with a TS% of .542 which is ok, I guess acceptable during the RS. But in the playoffs Tony's numbers took a dip to 14.7 PPG but with a TS% of .468. Tony was horrible in the playoffs and was pulled out of playoff games for Speedy Claxton.

Bruce Bowen while being one of the best man defenders I've ever seen and was invaluable to the Spurs defensive gameplan was just as much of a liability of on offense. His PER during the RS was 9.1 and went down to 8.9 during the playoffs. He was the original "3 and D" guy but not like they are now. He averaged less than two made 3pt shots a game, and always from the corner. You couldn't put Bruce on the wings at all.

David Robinson was also a great contributor on defense but by that time he was 37 years old and he retired after this season. He was only playing half a game, averaging 26 MPG in the RS and 24 MPG in the PS.


This is why Duncan is far and away better than KG. This roster is no better than any of the rosters Garnett had in Minnesota. This is one of the best one man carry jobs that has occurred in the NBA. No one came close to playing All Star caliber on the Spurs and Wally would have been the best shooter on the team.

I bet Wally would have killed to play with Duncan because at least he wouldn't be getting into fights with him.

To provide context, the Wolves 2004 team had better talent than the 2003 Spurs and Garnett still couldn't win 60 games or get to the finals. While Duncan led the Spurs over Kobe/Shaq and Dirk/Nash in the playoffs.

This is why KG has no argument.

Outcome matters, stats do not.

Nobody is going to care about KG's stats after they see Duncan winning a title in 2003 with this roster.......

You forget the impact of Greg Popovich. Replace 2003 Duncan with 2003 KG and I don't think there's a dropoff in games.
Replace Popvich with Saunders and I don't think the Spurs get the number 1 seed.

In 2004, KG gets a 34 year old Cassell and a 33 year old Sprewell and he becomes the league MVP while winning 58 games. Neither Cassell no Sprewell were bad players but it just shows how having average/above average teammates affected winrates and career accomplishments.

Also, as bad as Duncan's supporting cast was in 2003 and I do believe its the worst supporting cast of the modern era to win a champinoinship.... Garnett had below average teammates from 2005 and onwards. Look at those rosters.

2004-2005, Cassell and Wally both miss a good number of games. No playoff. Flip gets fired.
2005-2006, really bad team. Wally plays half the season. Ricky Davis becomes the second best player on the team.

[TerryTate]

He's the old school version of Chandler Parsons.
Wallyworld had a string of injuries, on the otherhand Parsons is in love with the coco.

[Scalabrine]

His seasons were anything but consistent, he was very injury prone and had a short career (he retired at 31). He was a really bad defender also if I can recall.

Kind of shows you how crazy some people are slamming Garnett for his lack of success in Minny. Some people giggle at comparing KG to Duncan, Shaq, Bryant and even Dirk - but for most of Garnett's Minnesota career his best player was Wally Szczerbiak, compare that to the guys the former played with lol.

I've had similar arguments with posters on here regarding other players. Team success is largely based on the talent surrounding the best player. A team with an elite player and a bunch of trash around them should be praised for getting his team to the playoffs so many years, not criticized for not getting as for as X, Y and Z who all played with multiple All-Stars and elite role players.

[gpoon]

Brian Scalabrine > Wally Szczerbiak

[ubernathan]

Getting kicked in the face by Bruce "Lee" Bowen may be his HoF moment.

Watch on YouTube

Draymond should add that flying kick to his arsenal

[jacoby1us]

Just put everyone in the HOF why don’t u

[Shock Defeat]

mans really brought up per36 numbers im dead

[Ice Trae]

Lol per 36. You’d fit right in at the nba reddit, that’s like everyone’s favorite stat to use in an argument over there

[G35]

His seasons were anything but consistent, he was very injury prone and had a short career (he retired at 31). He was a really bad defender also if I can recall.

Kind of shows you how crazy some people are slamming Garnett for his lack of success in Minny. Some people giggle at comparing KG to Duncan, Shaq, Bryant and even Dirk - but for most of Garnett's Minnesota career his best player was Wally Szczerbiak, compare that to the guys the former played with lol.

SA Spurs 2003 championship team roster (Won 60 games)
ORTG 7th
DRTG 3rd

Tim Duncan led that in blocks/pts/rebounds and second in assists

He also led that team in TS% and just about every other advanced stat

The second best player on that team could have been either:

- 2nd year, 20 year old Tony Parker

or

- 31 year old Bruce Bowen

or

- 37 year old David Robinson

Tony Parker avg'd 5.3 assists per game. That is horrible for a starting PG in any era.

He did average 15.5 PPG with a TS% of .542 which is ok, I guess acceptable during the RS. But in the playoffs Tony's numbers took a dip to 14.7 PPG but with a TS% of .468. Tony was horrible in the playoffs and was pulled out of playoff games for Speedy Claxton.

Bruce Bowen while being one of the best man defenders I've ever seen and was invaluable to the Spurs defensive gameplan was just as much of a liability of on offense. His PER during the RS was 9.1 and went down to 8.9 during the playoffs. He was the original "3 and D" guy but not like they are now. He averaged less than two made 3pt shots a game, and always from the corner. You couldn't put Bruce on the wings at all.

David Robinson was also a great contributor on defense but by that time he was 37 years old and he retired after this season. He was only playing half a game, averaging 26 MPG in the RS and 24 MPG in the PS.


This is why Duncan is far and away better than KG. This roster is no better than any of the rosters Garnett had in Minnesota. This is one of the best one man carry jobs that has occurred in the NBA. No one came close to playing All Star caliber on the Spurs and Wally would have been the best shooter on the team.

I bet Wally would have killed to play with Duncan because at least he wouldn't be getting into fights with him.

To provide context, the Wolves 2004 team had better talent than the 2003 Spurs and Garnett still couldn't win 60 games or get to the finals. While Duncan led the Spurs over Kobe/Shaq and Dirk/Nash in the playoffs.

This is why KG has no argument.

Outcome matters, stats do not.

Nobody is going to care about KG's stats after they see Duncan winning a title in 2003 with this roster.......

You forget the impact of Greg Popovich. Replace 2003 Duncan with 2003 KG and I don't think there's a dropoff in games.
Replace Popvich with Saunders and I don't think the Spurs get the number 1 seed.

In 2004, KG gets a 34 year old Cassell and a 33 year old Sprewell and he becomes the league MVP while winning 58 games. Neither Cassell no Sprewell were bad players but it just shows how having average/above average teammates affected winrates and career accomplishments.

Also, as bad as Duncan's supporting cast was in 2003 and I do believe its the worst supporting cast of the modern era to win a champinoinship.... Garnett had below average teammates from 2005 and onwards. Look at those rosters.

2004-2005, Cassell and Wally both miss a good number of games. No playoff. Flip gets fired.
2005-2006, really bad team. Wally plays half the season. Ricky Davis becomes the second best player on the team.

How many titles did Pop win without Duncan? None.

So we want to look at other factors like quality of teammates. First off, the Spurs never signed one big time FA during Duncan's time. Not one. Not even a Sprewell or Cassell. Spurs management was very frugal.

The Spurs were on the leading edge of scouting players from overseas and brought in several well known players:

Tony Parker
Manu Ginobli
Fabricio Oberto
Luis Scola

These were cheaper alternatives to getting American players. They were all 2nd round picks besides Parker who was a late round 1st pick, 28th out of 28 first round picks.

So the whole, "Wolves lost all these draft picks and management sucks" does not apply. Duncan is what made it work. How many other teams have had so much success with foreign born players? Maybe Dallas...who else? No other franchise has had the long term success the Spurs have had. That is no coincidence that is was during Duncan's tenure.

Furthermore Garnett has a long history of not liking foreign players getting into several on-court fights with them.

Garnett has never shown he will take the hand dealt to him and make something positive out of it.

Flip Saunders gets a bad rap from all the KG fans who HAVE to knock him down in order to preserve the old KG legacy. I mean it can't be KG's fault so we have to blame the coach.

Even though Flip has a winning record over 17 seasons, and guided the Wolves to the best record they ever had. So then you could make the argument that KG was the one carrying him. But then you would have to look at his record without KG.

Flip went to Detroit and made them a strong contender:

2006 - 64 wins (more than KG ever had in Minnesota)
2007 - 53 wins
2008 - 59 wins

That is an impressive run and without any player that is as good as KG was, so how was he able to do that if KG was doing all the work?

Because in reality Flip was a good coach. KG never stepped his game up to Duncan levels, its a mirage that people conflate Duncan and KG through stats......

[cupcakesnake]

and saw some playoff success as well.

playoff success as in:
- didn't get out of the first round until he was 26. played horribly (11.8ppg) until he got injured.
- Only ever scored more than 15ppg in the playoffs series once: a 3 game 1st round sweep to the Mavs.
- Got out of the 1st round another couple times at the end of his career as a role player on the Cavs. He barely played the second year with the Cavs.
- 54 totals playoff games. 10.2ppg, PER of 11.8, shot 28% from 3, negative box plus minus stats.

This guy happened to be on a few mediocre teams who went to the playoffs. He has zero track record of doing anything helpful once they got there.