Are we better than last year?

Milbucks96 · Post #21 » by **Milbucks96** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 9:07 pm

What’s the record with George Hill? It seems like when he came over last year we went to another level, and been there since.

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Post #22 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 9:19 pm

Yes.

Giannis is better
Donte is giving you an X factor
Wes and Rolo are giving you physical body up defenders you didn't have

DavidDunn21 · Post #23 » by **DavidDunn21** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 9:43 pm

We simply can't gauge anything yet given the large amount of cupcake wins, but I think it's pretty clear we're not worse in the regular season.

This one, the Raptor game and the road Rocket game stand out as high water marks

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All The Bucks · Post #24 » by **All The Bucks** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 9:50 pm

DavidDunn21 wrote:We simply can't gauge anything yet given the large amount of cupcake wins, but I think it's pretty clear we're not worse in the regular season.

This one, the Raptor game and the road Rocket game stand out as high water marks

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Poop that. At this point last year, the Bucks had already lost 7 times including games to the Knicks, Suns, Grizzlies, and Hornets (nearly twice).

4xBuck · Post #25 » by **4xBuck** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 9:58 pm

DavidDunn21 wrote:This one, the Raptor game and the road Rocket game stand out as high water marks

Did you miss last nights game?

blazza18 · Post #26 » by **blazza18** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:09 pm

4xBuck wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:This one, the Raptor game and the road Rocket game stand out as high water marks

Did you miss last nights game?

Did you?

DavidDunn21 · Post #27 » by **DavidDunn21** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:11 pm

All The Bucks wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:We simply can't gauge anything yet given the large amount of cupcake wins, but I think it's pretty clear we're not worse in the regular season.

This one, the Raptor game and the road Rocket game stand out as high water marks

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Poop that. At this point last year, the Bucks had already lost 7 times including games to the Knicks, Suns, Grizzlies, and Hornets (nearly twice).

The reason we lost most of those games is still on the team.

We're shooting unsustainably well right now. We may very well be better in our second Bud year with Donte Rodman on the squad, but I think it's still unclear. George Hill isn't gonna shoot this well all year, for example. What's important is our BEST is starting to look as good as anyone else's best

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Shaffty · Post #28 » by **Shaffty** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:37 pm

DavidDunn21 wrote:
All The Bucks wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:We simply can't gauge anything yet given the large amount of cupcake wins, but I think it's pretty clear we're not worse in the regular season.

This one, the Raptor game and the road Rocket game stand out as high water marks

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Poop that. At this point last year, the Bucks had already lost 7 times including games to the Knicks, Suns, Grizzlies, and Hornets (nearly twice).

We're shooting unsustainably well right now. RealGM mobile app

LOL no they are not, their luck adjusted 3pt stats skew very heavily to them being unlucky so far. Stop making up **** to further your agenda

PG Graveyard · Post #29 » by **PG Graveyard** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:43 pm

Yes they are better this year. Wes is starting to fit in better and the bench is really starting to find their niche. Giannis is better and there is speed up and down the roster. Defense is suffocating. Pretty much have to hit above the break 3s at an amazing clip to beat this squad....Even that may not be enough. Bud/Horst owners deserve a lot of credit for reloading this squad so well....Despite what Hollinger thinks about them.

crkone · Post #30 » by **crkone** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:45 pm

Shaffty wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:
All The Bucks wrote:
Poop that. At this point last year, the Bucks had already lost 7 times including games to the Knicks, Suns, Grizzlies, and Hornets (nearly twice).

We're shooting unsustainably well right now. RealGM mobile app

LOL no they are not, their luck adjusted 3pt stats skew very heavily to them being unlucky so far. Stop making up **** to further your agenda

In fact the opponent shooting against the Bucks had been unsustainable in wide open 3s. It's slightly closer to average lately but wide open and open 3 percentages are still higher than average against the Bucks.

MissKhriddleton · Post #31 » by **MissKhriddleton** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:52 pm

Milbucks96 wrote:What’s the record with George Hill? It seems like when he came over last year we went to another level, and been there since.

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Hill was lowkey the most important piece to keep out of him, Malcolm, and Mids.

Sporos · Post #32 » by **Sporos** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:53 pm

So far, yes we are. We play better basketball and we can see that the team can improve even more.

M-C-G · Post #33 » by **M-C-G** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:56 pm

MissKhriddleton wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:What’s the record with George Hill? It seems like when he came over last year we went to another level, and been there since.

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Hill was lowkey the most important piece to keep out of him, Malcolm, and Mids.

Yep, Hill is our second most important player IMO. Just does so many things well and seems like an antidote when Bledsoe is playing dumb.

This regular season team is better, mostly because DDV and Giannis making another jump which I frankly didn't anticipate but doesn't shock me.

In addition Bud seems to have his finger on the pulse of these line ups and our bench energy is another level up from last year.

The real question is this year's playoff team better than last years? Because we were really close to winning it all last year, but this year we seem to have more of 'it' right now. Last year, there was this 'we can't really be this good.....right?', this year you can tell the guys believe it.

drew881 · Post #34 » by **drew881** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:57 pm

All The Bucks wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:We simply can't gauge anything yet given the large amount of cupcake wins, but I think it's pretty clear we're not worse in the regular season.

This one, the Raptor game and the road Rocket game stand out as high water marks

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Poop that. At this point last year, the Bucks had already lost 7 times including games to the Knicks, Suns, Grizzlies, and Hornets (nearly twice).

I don’t think we should be comparing them to “at this point last year.” What matter is if this team is better than the team that couldn't make it out of the ECF.

Bucksmaniac · Post #35 » by **Bucksmaniac** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 10:59 pm

Milbucks96 wrote:What’s the record with George Hill? It seems like when he came over last year we went to another level, and been there since.

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In regular season games he has played since he arrived in Milwaukee, we are 55-13 (slightly better than a 66 win pace).

Going to one of David Dunn's observations, Hill may be shooting unsustainably well, but I think Brook Lopez and DDV are shooting a bit low for what I expect to be their norm (Brook on 3s and Donte in terms of driving/finishing). We have plenty of room for additional progression, including some better 3 point D by means of switching.

coolhandluke121 · Post #36 » by **coolhandluke121** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 11:00 pm

All The Bucks wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:We simply can't gauge anything yet given the large amount of cupcake wins, but I think it's pretty clear we're not worse in the regular season.

This one, the Raptor game and the road Rocket game stand out as high water marks

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Poop that. At this point last year, the Bucks had already lost 7 times including games to the Knicks, Suns, Grizzlies, and Hornets (nearly twice).

No kidding. They were looking pretty mediocre as usual. Hill kind of galvanized everything. The ultimate glue guy who also happened to be the exact type of glue guy the team needed. That 7-7 stretch with a bunch of embarrassing losses must not be forgotten, because it shows the value of a certain type of player.

This team is better for two basic reasons.

One is defensive pursuit, tenacity, and quickness. That was the team's downfall against the Raptors. I think it's reductionism to say Van Vleet beat them. The larger truth is that small-ball beat them, and someone was inevitably going to hit a bunch of 3's against them because Mirotic, Khris, Ersan, and Brogdon were all too slow. Lopez too, although having to plant him in the paint has more of an indirect effect on the perimeter defense due to being unable to switch.

The other reason is kind of related, but it's about having more guys who can perfectly complement a superstar and do a little bit of everything to help win, all without slowing the ball down or isolating against their defender... like... ever. Last year, it was just Hill and maybe Ersan. This year, they added Matthews and DDV. Bledsoe, Lopez, Middleton, and Brogdon are all good players, and are actually better than any of the glue guys if you need a guy to put up borderline all-star numbers on a 43-win team, but the Bucks don't need that. They just need solid all-around play without the "______ giveth and ______ taketh away" stuff.

HaroldinGMinor · Post #37 » by **HaroldinGMinor** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 11:15 pm

Bucks offense struggled more than its defense against Toronto.
Season ORtg was 113.8 against TOR it was 107.2
DRg for the season was 105.2 and against TOR it was 108.2

jute2003 · Post #38 » by **jute2003** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 11:16 pm

Maybe..

coolhandluke121 · Post #39 » by **coolhandluke121** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 11:31 pm

HaroldinGMinor wrote:Bucks offense struggled more than its defense against Toronto.
Season ORtg was 113.8 against TOR it was 107.2
DRg for the season was 105.2 and against TOR it was 108.2

Same problem though. Toronto's pursuit was better and they played with more energy. Even when the Bucks were up 15 in the 3rd quarter of game 6, you could tell Toronto was going to win eventually. They ran circles around the Bucks on both ends of the court.

Also, the Bucks' ball movement was often bad, especially when Hill was on the bench. That speaks too having too many guys who stand around, and not enough guys like DDV and Matthews who know they have to work hard off the ball - even if the ball doesn't find them on that particular possession.

ETA: Also, you would expect the difference in your oRTG to be much more dramatic than the difference in your dRTG against a great defensive team like Toronto was by the time the playoffs came around. I don't think that reveals anything.

DavidDunn21 · Post #40 » by **DavidDunn21** » Sat Dec 7, 2019 11:43 pm

Shaffty wrote:
DavidDunn21 wrote:
All The Bucks wrote:
Poop that. At this point last year, the Bucks had already lost 7 times including games to the Knicks, Suns, Grizzlies, and Hornets (nearly twice).

We're shooting unsustainably well right now. RealGM mobile app

LOL no they are not, their luck adjusted 3pt stats skew very heavily to them being unlucky so far. Stop making up **** to further your agenda

So you think career 38% 3 point shooter George Hill will continue to shoot 52 from deep?
Career 36% shooter Sterling Brown will stay at 39?
You think Khris won't have a bad stretch when that's what he's always done going back to Kidd?

Now will Ersan and Brook shoot better at some point? Probably. But I really am unclear as to what you're arguing.

Btw, we still aren't getting champion-level respect from the refs, and that continued last night. Kyrie is Kyrie, but he was prophetic about the level of calls we got against Boston vs. against Toronto last year.

Are we better now than we were last year?