Kristaps Porzingis Is Ridiculously Overrated

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

What is the point of this topic?

Its all a setup for his "Kelly Olynyk is better than Kristaps Porzingis" post.

[AdagioPace]

Is anyone claiming him to be carrying the team? Also there are two sides of the ball, KP has been a huge plus on the defensive side.

The Mavericks are an average defensive team...He might be a great rim protector but he doesn't do much else defensively.

so what? if the Mavs were below average on the defensive end their differential would be worse and they would have likely lost more games....I don't know what's the point of your criticism. He's the best defender on a 8 SRS team, sounds good to me.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Classic topic.

OP makes idea up --- usually false. Then argues against that fictional reality (KP hasn't been getting ridiculously overrated). And worse... makes no compelling case, unless TS% is the end of all for basketball discussions.

In this clip, Drummon is the OP

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For those not watching or in denial, you can click below and see what KP has been up to.
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1859976&p=80477166#p80310504

I consider Porzingis to being ridiculously overrated if people are talking about him as if he's at least close to living up to his contract. It's only your opinion that I'm making no compelling argument but weren't people saying the same thing or nearly the same thing when I talked about Markkanen? Also, do you consider Kristaps to be a great offensive player? Tell me how Kristaps is a very productive player.

[Sedale Threatt]

Feels weird to post this after the Mavericks just beat two of the league's best teams on the road without a leading MVP candidate and he played pretty well.

[Pablo Escobar]

He tore his acl.. give him some time.

[Forbes]

Lol what?? Bro just say you hate KP.

He’s coming off an injury and all anyones been doing is saying he sucks so far this season. He’s coming around a little bit I don’t see anyone overrating him. He’s paid based on what he can possibly become like majority of high potential players coming off of rookie contracts. KP has yet to do anything this season that made him a large topic of discussion for you to come out and call him overrated.

Just say you hate him.

[dirkforpres]

What a ridiculous thread. He’s led the Mavs to wins on the road against 2 of the best teams, and kept us in the game against Boston and Miami, all without Doncic.

I’d say he’s appropriately rated, if not slightly underrated. His defense has been stellar

[ballup]

I'd thought we'd all learned a lesson with Hayward that players who are out for a whole season can take an additional one to get back to full form

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[Dirk]

Over the last 14 games (since losing to the Knicks for the second time --- lowest point of the season), the Mavs best 2-man lineup is:

KP/Seth Curry +30.4 NETrtg

His ON/OFF numbers are better than Luka's since that low point.

Offense is 9 points better per 100. Defense is 2.2 points better.

How about KP's ability to stretch the floor?

As I see another made up thing, no one has been saying that KP is some offensive force. People talk about his defensive impact.

But you do make a strong point, especially as it pertains to "gravity". Defenders react to him. He is faking out defenders now all the time and driving to the basket, you can see here viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1859976&start=380#p80433351

The Mavs are making him jack up 3s. And defenses react to it. Then you have Luka/Powell murdering teams.

Last night, I noticed this play, look at where the sixers defender are

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Then he drives

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Also, this was of note --- big onions, this was a key moment to win the game (against a 18 win streak team)

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[ShamanSalami]

That's how media works. The most popular playing player's name always gets chosen to simplify the point when talking about the teams success. Of course he's not responsible for all of that credit. How's that his fault lol

[alessandrux]

According to basketball reference, Porzinigis On-Off for this season is actually at -3.3 thus far, meaning teams outscore the Mavs by 3.3 points per 100 possessions more when he is on the court as opposed to off the court.

That is a textbook example to point out that on-off numbers don't necessarily and directly show how good a player is performing.

If the Mavs (and I think it is pretty obvious that they do) match up a relatively bad lineup (e.g. their starters with Doncic and Porzingis) in comparison to the opposing lineup (the 'top-heavy' starters of most teams), said lineup produces kind of bad numbers, but the rest of their lineups are arranged in a way to expose their opposing lineups (more than their 'bad' starters give up).

[MrBigShot]

Meh. Jayson Tatum has a pretty bad TS% too and has been a big contributor for the Celtics. I don't really see many people on realgm or casual fans overhyping Porzingis. Everybody knows it's Luka's team and Porzingis is working his way back from injury playing a more modest complementary role.

[PhilBlackson]

Yet another terrible thread by the OP.

[Egg Nog]

To the OP:

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

[ConSarnit]

What is the point of this topic?

Its all a setup for his "Kelly Olynyk is better than Kristaps Porzingis" post.

I think you’re close but if I had to bet the OP probably saw someone compare him to Bam in some minor way and had a moronic meltdown, thus creating this thread.

[jpengland]

He's an elite rim protector, stretches the floor, grabs rebounds and scores a lot of points.

His efficency could definitely improve, but other than that he's fantastic.

[og15]

According to basketball reference, Porzinigis On-Off for this season is actually at -3.3 thus far, meaning teams outscore the Mavs by 3.3 points per 100 possessions more when he is on the court as opposed to off the court.

Guys, guys, come on, understand the stats better, please! No, no, it does not mean that teams out score the Mavs by 3.3 pts/100 more when he is on as opposed to off the court, not at all. If you want to phrase it in that sense, it means that the Mavs outscore other teams by 3.3 more points when he is off. Why? Well, their bench offense is just ridiculously efficient.

When Kristaps is on the court, the Mavs have a +7.1 NetRtg. When he's off they have a +10.4 NetRtg. So what it means is that the Mavs are really deep and that they outproduce their opponents (mainly bench type units) even more overall when he's off the floor than when he's on. It in no way implies that Kristaps has negative impact which is what the quoted post would read as to people.

According to basketball reference, Porzinigis On-Off for this season is actually at -3.3 thus far, meaning teams outscore the Mavs by 3.3 points per 100 possessions more when he is on the court as opposed to off the court.

That is a textbook example to point out that on-off numbers don't necessarily and directly show how good a player is performing.

If the Mavs (and I think it is pretty obvious that they do) match up a relatively bad lineup (e.g. their starters with Doncic and Porzingis) in comparison to the opposing lineup (the 'top-heavy' starters of most teams), said lineup produces kind of bad numbers, but the rest of their lineups are arranged in a way to expose their opposing lineups (more than their 'bad' starters give up).

It's actually just an example of a bad and inaccurate use of on/off numbers, and this isn't personal to the poster, but people need to put a bit more effort into quoting stats.

[alessandrux]

According to basketball reference, Porzinigis On-Off for this season is actually at -3.3 thus far, meaning teams outscore the Mavs by 3.3 points per 100 possessions more when he is on the court as opposed to off the court.

That is a textbook example to point out that on-off numbers don't necessarily and directly show how good a player is performing.

If the Mavs (and I think it is pretty obvious that they do) match up a relatively bad lineup (e.g. their starters with Doncic and Porzingis) in comparison to the opposing lineup (the 'top-heavy' starters of most teams), said lineup produces kind of bad numbers, but the rest of their lineups are arranged in a way to expose their opposing lineups (more than their 'bad' starters give up).

It's actually just an example of a bad and inaccurate use of on/off numbers, and this isn't personal to the poster, but people need to put a bit more effort into quoting stats.

Thanks for checking (and explaining).
I did not check the proposed numbers by 'rate_', sorry (I guess the explanation would still work if the number would've been correct).

[xdrta+]

It doesn't matter (or even rate a thread) unless he's the MOST overrated player EVER!!!

[dirkules_41]

Late surprise entry for the dumbest thread of 2019 award.