PG: Well at least we are getting healthy

[MrSparkle]

I'm ok with Presti getting hired and completely re-hauling this mess of a roster from 1-15 within 3 years... but also firing Boylen, hiring a great staff, and making Waldorf salad out of the celery, grapes and walnuts in the meantime.

I think some combination of the 3-5 better combination of this team has a 44-win ceiling, but they need to set up some power moves. I wouldn't buy stock, but depending on the off-season... a GM with a brain would get Thad or Sato out of here, waive Felicio if he can't be dumped, try to salvage something for at least one of the expiring RFAs (Dunn, Valentine), even if it's a 2nd rd pick... try to get some salvage value for Otto at next year's deadline (or summer, if he ends this season well)....

Shop Wendell, Gafford, Kornet... literally just shop them, see what might come up... I'll take a top-12 pick for Wendell... Gafford might present some interesting options. No reason to marry him - he's a moderate ceiling center with foul, rotation and offensive issues. Could actually be presented as a high-ceiling super bargain center that demands a high price. I'm pretty firm in the camp that young one-way centers are like... a complete and utter waste of money and/or assets. If you have a Bam who shows a pie chart of basketball skills and abilities, then by all means build. Wendell looks like Sweetney every time he comes back from his injuries, and so far he's injured almost every limb in 2 years and gained a lot of weight.

Of course I don't actively look to trade Zach for peanuts, but you keep that option open.

Coby and Lauri I hold off on and see if they can improve under a better coach. And give Mokoka a 1y deal.

[dice]

So are we still a better team without Lavine?
I didn't think so.

has anyone actually suggested that? strawman argument (look it up)

bulls are still better w/o lavine in the lineup over the last two seasons

and where were all the pro-lavine people after the last game? you can't just pop your head up when it's convenient and expect to be taken seriously

[SfBull]

About what one would expect. Two crappy teams playing, each without their lead scorer, the home team wins. At least Coby continues to show signs of being Ben Gordon, or something like that, as opposed to the rookie bust he looked like until recently.

Yes Coby's game is evolving , he's feeling more confident handling the ball and I think playing this way he'll probably start next season, hopefully with another coach.

[GameBredAPBT]

The Memphis Grizzlies go out & hire a bright young wizard of a coach, a disciple of Budenholzer, and are probably headed to the playoffs in the WEST, in the second yr of their rebuild. They’re missing their 2nd & 3rd best players & still running teams over

The Bulls are in their 5th? 6th? 7th (LoL) yr of rebuilding, and they’ve got Jim Boylon at the helm while Thad Young plays isoball in 2020

..........

[MrSparkle]

So are we still a better team without Lavine?
I didn't think so.

has anyone actually suggested that? strawman argument (look it up)

bulls are still better w/o lavine in the lineup over the last two seasons

and where were all the pro-lavine people after the last game? you can't just pop your head up when it's convenient and expect to be taken seriously

I'm not pro nor anti-Lavine.

A coach needs to have the team run sets and plays and chew out Lavine when he's jacking play after play. The dude can score, but you obviously can't treat him like Luka or Kobe.

[Chi-hoops93]

:cry: is

So are we still a better team without Lavine?
I didn't think so.

Can't wait to see Lavine/Porter/Markkanen/Carter all together playing solid minutes. I want to see how well they play together.

That core has no future. Maybe 2 of them will be here in 2 years.

I’d actually bet Cobi & Gafford (and possibly Hutchison/Mokoka) are the only two guys from this current roster who are still in Chicago in 2 years. I’d put decent money on it

You think we’re going to be able to trade all those other guys?

[WindyCityBorn]

So are we still a better team without Lavine?
I didn't think so.

has anyone actually suggested that? strawman argument (look it up)

bulls are still better w/o lavine in the lineup over the last two seasons

and where were all the pro-lavine people after the last game? you can't just pop your head up when it's convenient and expect to be taken seriously

Yes there are people that literally say that

[SfBull]

So are we still a better team without Lavine?
I didn't think so.

Can't wait to see Lavine/Porter/Markkanen/Carter all together playing solid minutes. I want to see how well they play together.

I wanna see how well they play together against a tougher schedule.

[GameBredAPBT]

I'm ok with Presti getting hired and completely re-hauling this mess of a roster from 1-15 within 3 years... but also firing Boylen, hiring a great staff, and making Waldorf salad out of the celery, grapes and walnuts in the meantime.

I think some combination of the 3-5 better combination of this team has a 44-win ceiling, but they need to set up some power moves. I wouldn't buy stock, but depending on the off-season... a GM with a brain would get Thad or Sato out of here, waive Felicio if he can't be dumped, try to salvage something for at least one of the expiring RFAs (Dunn, Valentine), even if it's a 2nd rd pick... try to get some salvage value for Otto at next year's deadline (or summer, if he ends this season well)....

Shop Wendell, Gafford, Kornet... literally just shop them, see what might come up... I'll take a top-12 pick for Wendell... Gafford might present some interesting options. No reason to marry him - he's a moderate ceiling center with foul, rotation and offensive issues. Could actually be presented as a high-ceiling super bargain center that demands a high price. I'm pretty firm in the camp that young one-way centers are like... a complete and utter waste of money and/or assets. If you have a Bam who shows a pie chart of basketball skills and abilities, then by all means build. Wendell looks like Sweetney every time he comes back from his injuries, and so far he's injured almost every limb in 2 years and gained a lot of weight.

Of course I don't actively look to trade Zach for peanuts, but you keep that option open.

Coby and Lauri I hold off on and see if they can improve under a better coach. And give Mokoka a 1y deal.

I think the problem with that, is you might have to trade Lauri. He might demand it. If the rumours are true, his camp is already pressuring them to trade him

You’re spot on about Carter. How the hell does a young kid who was a lottery pick allow himself to get blown up like that? He’s downright fat. I see very few paths to true, sustained success for him in this league. He’s a mediocre athlete with serious conditioning issues, terribly body language, and an antiquated skill set. In other news, the guy we chose to take him over, SGA, dropped 27 in a win tonight & his team are headed to the playoffs against huge odds. Durp

I think certain teams (Sacramento is one that comes to mind) would give up the farm for LaVine. I think a lot of teams are super high on him right now. Philly is another team. Dumb, ignorant GMs we’re talking about here. Pull an Ainge on them, and clean out their war chest in exchange for Lavine

[dice]

Bulls should have made a play for DLo. I know he wanted to be in Minn, but they could have tried. Why not? He is still very young & has relatively high upside

because he doesn't play defense, is a poor playmaker, and is a shoot first PG who isn't a particularly good shooter...all for $30 mil a year

Matter of fact, I think the Wolves have a better future than we do. I still like culver (a lot), and with an incoming top pick, selecting someone like Edwards & building around KAT/DLo/Culver/Edwards could work out very well for them

they're one of very few teams that DOESN'T project to have a better future. stuck w/ russell, not a FA destination, gotta pay james johnson 16 mil next season, culver has shot the ball terribly, and they traded either this year's or next year's 1st rounder to upgrade from an awful contract (wiggins) to a bad one (russell)

[Chi-hoops93]

I'm ok with Presti getting hired and completely re-hauling this mess of a roster from 1-15 within 3 years... but also firing Boylen, hiring a great staff, and making Waldorf salad out of the celery, grapes and walnuts in the meantime.

I think some combination of the 3-5 better combination of this team has a 44-win ceiling, but they need to set up some power moves. I wouldn't buy stock, but depending on the off-season... a GM with a brain would get Thad or Sato out of here, waive Felicio if he can't be dumped, try to salvage something for at least one of the expiring RFAs (Dunn, Valentine), even if it's a 2nd rd pick... try to get some salvage value for Otto at next year's deadline (or summer, if he ends this season well)....

Shop Wendell, Gafford, Kornet... literally just shop them, see what might come up... I'll take a top-12 pick for Wendell... Gafford might present some interesting options. No reason to marry him - he's a moderate ceiling center with foul, rotation and offensive issues. Could actually be presented as a high-ceiling super bargain center that demands a high price. I'm pretty firm in the camp that young one-way centers are like... a complete and utter waste of money and/or assets. If you have a Bam who shows a pie chart of basketball skills and abilities, then by all means build. Wendell looks like Sweetney every time he comes back from his injuries, and so far he's injured almost every limb in 2 years and gained a lot of weight.

Of course I don't actively look to trade Zach for peanuts, but you keep that option open.

Coby and Lauri I hold off on and see if they can improve under a better coach. And give Mokoka a 1y deal.

I think the problem with that, is you might have to trade Lauri. He might demand it. If the rumours are true, his camp is already pressuring them to trade him

You’re spot on about Carter. How the hell does a young kid who was a lottery pick allow himself to get blown up like that? He’s downright fat. I see very few paths to true, sustained success for him in this league. He’s a mediocre athlete with serious conditioning issues, terribly body language, and an antiquated skill set. In other news, the guy we chose to take him over, SGA, dropped 27 in a win tonight & his team are headed to the playoffs against huge odds. Durp

I think certain teams (Sacramento is one that comes to mind) would give up the farm for LaVine. I think a lot of teams are super high on him right now. Philly is another team. Dumb, ignorant GMs we’re talking about here. Pull an Ainge on them, and clean out their war chest in exchange for Lavine

SGA was still on the board when we picked WCJ?!!??!

[GameBredAPBT]

:cry: is

That core has no future. Maybe 2 of them will be here in 2 years.

I’d actually bet Cobi & Gafford (and possibly Hutchison/Mokoka) are the only two guys from this current roster who are still in Chicago in 2 years. I’d put decent money on it

You think we’re going to be able to trade all those other guys?

I think the train of thought in the NBA is becoming: “oh the Bulls have some good young talent, they just look like crap & can’t stay healthy because they’re on the Bulls. Get them away from the hell hole & they will shine”. So I think we could get good hauls for some of them. Lavine & Markkanen in particular. Maybe WCJ

I’m very torn on Lavine. I just want to see him running with Coby under a good coach. I think it can work & work well, in a lillard/McCollum sort of way. Still though, his stock was high around the AS break. I’m willing to bet they received some stellar offers for him. Imo they should have pulled the trigger around that time

[GameBredAPBT]

I'm ok with Presti getting hired and completely re-hauling this mess of a roster from 1-15 within 3 years... but also firing Boylen, hiring a great staff, and making Waldorf salad out of the celery, grapes and walnuts in the meantime.

I think some combination of the 3-5 better combination of this team has a 44-win ceiling, but they need to set up some power moves. I wouldn't buy stock, but depending on the off-season... a GM with a brain would get Thad or Sato out of here, waive Felicio if he can't be dumped, try to salvage something for at least one of the expiring RFAs (Dunn, Valentine), even if it's a 2nd rd pick... try to get some salvage value for Otto at next year's deadline (or summer, if he ends this season well)....

Shop Wendell, Gafford, Kornet... literally just shop them, see what might come up... I'll take a top-12 pick for Wendell... Gafford might present some interesting options. No reason to marry him - he's a moderate ceiling center with foul, rotation and offensive issues. Could actually be presented as a high-ceiling super bargain center that demands a high price. I'm pretty firm in the camp that young one-way centers are like... a complete and utter waste of money and/or assets. If you have a Bam who shows a pie chart of basketball skills and abilities, then by all means build. Wendell looks like Sweetney every time he comes back from his injuries, and so far he's injured almost every limb in 2 years and gained a lot of weight.

Of course I don't actively look to trade Zach for peanuts, but you keep that option open.

Coby and Lauri I hold off on and see if they can improve under a better coach. And give Mokoka a 1y deal.

I think the problem with that, is you might have to trade Lauri. He might demand it. If the rumours are true, his camp is already pressuring them to trade him

You’re spot on about Carter. How the hell does a young kid who was a lottery pick allow himself to get blown up like that? He’s downright fat. I see very few paths to true, sustained success for him in this league. He’s a mediocre athlete with serious conditioning issues, terribly body language, and an antiquated skill set. In other news, the guy we chose to take him over, SGA, dropped 27 in a win tonight & his team are headed to the playoffs against huge odds. Durp

I think certain teams (Sacramento is one that comes to mind) would give up the farm for LaVine. I think a lot of teams are super high on him right now. Philly is another team. Dumb, ignorant GMs we’re talking about here. Pull an Ainge on them, and clean out their war chest in exchange for Lavine

SGA was still on the board when we picked WCJ?!!??!

yeah....he was

[dice]

:cry: is

So are we still a better team without Lavine?
I didn't think so.

Can't wait to see Lavine/Porter/Markkanen/Carter all together playing solid minutes. I want to see how well they play together.

That core has no future. Maybe 2 of them will be here in 2 years.

I’d actually bet Cobi & Gafford (and possibly Hutchison/Mokoka) are the only two guys from this current roster who are still in Chicago in 2 years. I’d put decent money on it

lavine will very likely be here (last year of his contract). same for WCJ and sato, though i suppose they are more likely to be traded than lavine is

[Chi-hoops93]

I think the problem with that, is you might have to trade Lauri. He might demand it. If the rumours are true, his camp is already pressuring them to trade him

You’re spot on about Carter. How the hell does a young kid who was a lottery pick allow himself to get blown up like that? He’s downright fat. I see very few paths to true, sustained success for him in this league. He’s a mediocre athlete with serious conditioning issues, terribly body language, and an antiquated skill set. In other news, the guy we chose to take him over, SGA, dropped 27 in a win tonight & his team are headed to the playoffs against huge odds. Durp

I think certain teams (Sacramento is one that comes to mind) would give up the farm for LaVine. I think a lot of teams are super high on him right now. Philly is another team. Dumb, ignorant GMs we’re talking about here. Pull an Ainge on them, and clean out their war chest in exchange for Lavine

SGA was still on the board when we picked WCJ?!!??!

yeah....he was

Ouch

[GameBredAPBT]

So are we still a better team without Lavine?
I didn't think so.

has anyone actually suggested that? strawman argument (look it up)

bulls are still better w/o lavine in the lineup over the last two seasons

and where were all the pro-lavine people after the last game? you can't just pop your head up when it's convenient and expect to be taken seriously

I'm not pro nor anti-Lavine.

A coach needs to have the team run sets and plays and chew out Lavine when he's jacking play after play. The dude can score, but you obviously can't treat him like Luka or Kobe.

The sad part, is that I think Zach could still potentially become a high impact player along the lines of those two, but it’ll never happen with the Bulls. Therefore I think it’d be in the best interest of both parties if he was traded.

[dice]

So are we still a better team without Lavine?
I didn't think so.

has anyone actually suggested that? strawman argument (look it up)

bulls are still better w/o lavine in the lineup over the last two seasons

and where were all the pro-lavine people after the last game? you can't just pop your head up when it's convenient and expect to be taken seriously

Yes there are people that literally say that

i'll take your word for it. 'cause i'd refute those posters but can't recall ever having to do so. there are people who correctly point out that the team HAS performed better with lavine on the bench, but that's not the same thing as suggesting that the team would be better off without him

[dice]

has anyone actually suggested that? strawman argument (look it up)

bulls are still better w/o lavine in the lineup over the last two seasons

and where were all the pro-lavine people after the last game? you can't just pop your head up when it's convenient and expect to be taken seriously

I'm not pro nor anti-Lavine.

A coach needs to have the team run sets and plays and chew out Lavine when he's jacking play after play. The dude can score, but you obviously can't treat him like Luka or Kobe.

The sad part, is that I think Zach could still potentially become a high impact player along the lines of those two, but it’ll never happen with the Bulls. Therefore I think it’d be in the best interest of both parties if he was traded.

what would he do better in a different uniform?

[Stratmaster]

So are we still a better team without Lavine?
I didn't think so.

has anyone actually suggested that? strawman argument (look it up)

bulls are still better w/o lavine in the lineup over the last two seasons

and where were all the pro-lavine people after the last game? you can't just pop your head up when it's convenient and expect to be taken seriously

You're joking right? That was supposed to be green font?
I was here. I was posting and responding. Why? Did Lavine play poorly last game?

[Stratmaster]

has anyone actually suggested that? strawman argument (look it up)

bulls are still better w/o lavine in the lineup over the last two seasons

and where were all the pro-lavine people after the last game? you can't just pop your head up when it's convenient and expect to be taken seriously

Yes there are people that literally say that

i'll take your word for it. 'cause i'd refute those posters but can't recall ever having to do so. there are people who correctly point out that the team HAS performed better with lavine on the bench, but that's not the same thing as suggesting that the team would be better off without him

Please explain the distinction.