[Woj] Rockets trade Ariza, #16 for DET future 1st

HornetJail · Post #21 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:11 am

surprised people don't like this. Detroit isn't making the playoffs for a while. This is basically Houston saying give us your next non lottery pick. Not like Detroit should be trading another pick before they're a playoff team again anyway.

It's fine

Post #22 » by **BullyKing** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:11 am

DetroitDon15 wrote:
Domejandro wrote:
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I actually am not sure I like these protections for Detroit, this massively hamstrings their flexibility on trading picks. The value is absolutely superb, but the protections on that Draft pick are annoying to navigate around for Detroit.

A rebuilding team shouldn’t be looking to trade future picks. I’m ok with the deal but hope that if we make the playoffs, the pick moves. I’d hate to give up a future low lotto pick in this type of deal.

You got #16. You are at worst sending back #10 SEVEN years from now. It's a huge steal.

Laimbeer · Post #23 » by **Laimbeer** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:11 am

I don't like it. This is a weak draft and I'd like to think that pick conveys in a few years - meantime hands are tied.

Phobo_Phile · Post #24 » by **Phobo_Phile** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:12 am

I have no idea how to feel. At first I saw "future first" and I just about flipped a ****. It's nice to know that it's heavily protected but this basically insures we can't use a first rounder in another deal for long time. But maybe that's a good thing as well because that's the last thing we should do for a couple years at least.

HornetJail · Post #25 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:15 am

Phobo_Phile wrote:I have no idea how to feel. At first I saw "future first" and I just about flipped a ****. It's nice to know that it's heavily protected but this basically insures we can't use a first rounder in another deal for long time. But maybe that's a good thing as well because that's the last thing we should do for a couple years at least.

Exactly. When has a bad team traded a pick without much protection and it DOESN'T backfire. This partially saving you guys from yourselves until your team is good again.

Post #26 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:15 am

So, all in it was CASH, #16, Ariza, for protected 1st, 2nd?

basketballwacko2 · Post #27 » by **basketballwacko2** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:16 am

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Wow! Might not convey for 5-6 years at best.

jayjaysee · Post #28 » by **jayjaysee** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:16 am

Detroit isn’t likely to make playoffs the next two years but should be out of the bottom ten in the next 4-5? So at some point Houston should get it and the trade might end up like a push? But Harden and relevancy will have left Houston..

Awful.

Also the MLE spin is sad. Ariza+16 could have gotten Houston someone worth both having the MLE for.

Post #29 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:17 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
Phobo_Phile wrote:I have no idea how to feel. At first I saw "future first" and I just about flipped a ****. It's nice to know that it's heavily protected but this basically insures we can't use a first rounder in another deal for long time. But maybe that's a good thing as well because that's the last thing we should do for a couple years at least.

Exactly. When has a bad team traded a pick without much protection and it DOESN'T backfire. This partially saving you guys from yourselves until your team is good again.

The Cle/Sac Hickson trade comes to mind. Top 10 protected for forever and never exchanged. Although an unprotected 1st as soon as possible afterwards was traded while it was still out there.

HornetJail · Post #30 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:18 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
Phobo_Phile wrote:I have no idea how to feel. At first I saw "future first" and I just about flipped a ****. It's nice to know that it's heavily protected but this basically insures we can't use a first rounder in another deal for long time. But maybe that's a good thing as well because that's the last thing we should do for a couple years at least.

Exactly. When has a bad team traded a pick without much protection and it DOESN'T backfire. This partially saving you guys from yourselves until your team is good again.

The Cle/Sac Hickson trade comes to mind. Top 10 protected for forever and never exchanged. Although an unprotected 1st as soon as possible afterwards was traded while it was still out there.

the forever protection was much like this trade- I'm talking about trading a weakly protected pick while you're bad- like the Stauskas salary dump or the Russell/Wiggins swap (assuming Minnesota doesn't make a seismic shift to fix their 2-4 rotation)

Post #31 » by **Domejandro** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:18 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:So, all in it was CASH, #16, Ariza, for protected 1st, 2nd?

Yes, pretty much. Not that horrible for Houston, in my opinion. Gives them flexibility to use their MLE (we will see if they do), but the bird in the hand is typically a stronger asset.

R-DAWG · Post #32 » by **R-DAWG** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:19 am

VCfor3 wrote:
DowJones wrote:Why buy a team if you don’t have the money to run it? Houston is a disaster now.

Owner was heavy in COVID-hit businesses. He's riding the struggle bus and kicking out every Houston player he can along the way.

In New York, we saw this happen with the Mets when the Wilpon's got in financial trouble after Madoff in 2009.

I feel for Houston fans, who were so close in 2018 to getting over the hump. You have to think if ownership was willing to go into the tax and improve in the margins it might have made a difference in 2019.

But clearly now - unless they hit a home run with the full MLE and the flip the future DET pick for value - they owe it to themselves as an organization to cash out on Harden and restart.

One thing that gets overlooked in the Westbrook deal - Houston has control of their picks in 2022 and 2023, and 2021 is only a pick swap in a year OKC is likely to be in the lotto - so executing a rebuild now isn't the worst thing in the world.

Pistons888 · Post #33 » by **Pistons888** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:19 am

Does Ariza hold any value to another team? Can’t imagine Detroit has him in their plans

Resistance · Post #34 » by **Resistance** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:23 am

DowJones wrote:Why buy a team if you don’t have the money to run it? Houston is a disaster now.

Asssign some of the blame to the league for approving the sale of the team to somebody stretched so thin.

chrbal · Post #35 » by **chrbal** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:24 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:surprised people don't like this. Detroit isn't making the playoffs for a while. This is basically Houston saying give us your next non lottery pick. Not like Detroit should be trading another pick before they're a playoff team again anyway.

It's fine

As a pistons fan I effing love this trade. You combine it with the Rockets buying the 2021 Lakers 2nd owed to Detroit (they gave us money for taking Ariza, let’s be honest.

The team just hired a guy from the thunder who build with picks. We’re not going anywhere anytime soon. And Ariza is a one year deal.

This is a great trade.

On a side note with Ariza and Snell on the roster, anybody want a wing?

Post #36 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:25 am

Resistance wrote:
DowJones wrote:Why buy a team if you don’t have the money to run it? Houston is a disaster now.

Asssign some of the blame to the league for approving the sale of the team to somebody stretched so thin.

But the price tag was huge!

And that is a comp for their potential sales.

No way this ownership wouldn't get approved, or a similar one again.

Resistance · Post #37 » by **Resistance** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:29 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Resistance wrote:
DowJones wrote:Why buy a team if you don’t have the money to run it? Houston is a disaster now.

Asssign some of the blame to the league for approving the sale of the team to somebody stretched so thin.

But the price tag was huge!

And that is a comp for their potential sales.

No way this ownership wouldn't get approved, or a similar one again.

He was already stretched some before the Black Swan event in Covid.

Post #38 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:30 am

Resistance wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
Resistance wrote:

Asssign some of the blame to the league for approving the sale of the team to somebody stretched so thin.

But the price tag was huge!

And that is a comp for their potential sales.

No way this ownership wouldn't get approved, or a similar one again.

He was already stretched some before the Black Swan event in Covid.

Okay, we will send him all the catering for the bubble. Until players want more diversity of business partners.

Post #39 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:48 am

I have to crunch some number, but Rodney Hood’s surprising opt out may even mean this deal couldve been done as a 3 way, with Ariza’s small partial guarantee completely left in place and just sent to Detroit. This would require Portland to go under the cap and sacrifice the full MLE and using the room exception instead, as well as renouncing Hassan.

Post #40 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:51 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:I have to crunch some number, but Rodney Hood’s surprising opt out may even mean this deal couldve been done as a 3 way, with Ariza’s small partial guarantee completely left in place and just sent to Detroit. This would require Portland to go under the cap and sacrifice the full MLE and using the room exception instead, as well as renouncing Hassan.

I read on one of the salary sites that Ariza’s guarantee date was in October. Idk if it got pushed back due to the schedule change.

Ariza/16 to Detroit for future protected pick: your take?