RealGM 2020 Top 100 Project: #45 (Willis Reed)

[DQuinn1575]

As content has slowed a bit, I'm just going to throw some figures out there for some of the guys with a tad of traction [fwiw...food for thought and/or discussion]....

Peak [rs] Scaled PER
Dwight Howard - 26.75 ('11)
Kevin McHale - 24.08 ('87)
Pau Gasol - 23.96 ('07)
Manu Ginobili - 23.96 ('07) [note: in only 27.5 mpg]
Willis Reed - 23.39 ('69)
Paul Pierce - 23.14 ('06)
Chauncey Billups - 23.09 ('08 [note: only 32.3 mpg])
Gary Payton - 23.02 ('00)
Ray Allen - 22.62 ('01)
Sam Jones - 22.54 ('66 [note: only 32.2 mpg])
Bob Cousy - 21.73 ('52 [was 21.72 in '53 as well])


Peak [rs] Scaled WS/48
Chauncey Billups - .2710 ('06)
Dwight Howard - .2657 ('11)
Willis Reed - .2651 ('70)
Manu Ginobili - .2647 ('05) [note: in only 29.6 mpg]
Pau Gasol - .2615 ('11)
Kevin McHale - .2527 ('86)
Sam Jones - .2310 ('66 [note: only 32.2 mpg])
Ray Allen - .2283 ('01)
Paul Pierce - .2122 ('08)
Gary Payton - .2035 ('00)
Bob Cousy - .1831 ('57)


Prime WOWYR
Paul Pierce: +7.2
Gary Payton: +6.8
Chauncey Billups: +5.7
Bob Cousy: +4.4
Dwight Howard: +4.2
Kevin McHale: +3.6
Sam Jones: +3.4
Manu Ginobili: +3.0
Pau Gasol: +2.4
Willis Reed: +1.3
Ray Allen: +1.0


Best 7-Years RAPM added (minutes played in those seasons [shortened seasons pro-rated], and crude product {RAPM * minutes} with product rank in group) (utilizing AuPM as proxy for '94-'96; Reed, Cousy, Jones, and McHale excluded obviously)
Manu Ginobili - 44.6 (13,325, 594,295 [new 1st])
Paul Pierce - 26.89 (19,050, 512,254.5 [2nd])
Dwight Howard - 25.84 (18,655, 482,025.2 [3rd])
Gary Payton - 24.65 (22,078.12, 544,225.66 [1st])
Ray Allen - 23.19 (20,625.16, 478,297.46 [4th])
Chauncey Billups - 16.2 (17,774, 287,938.8 [6th])
Pau Gasol - 15.8 (18,599, 293,864.2 [5th])


*Total Value Above Replacement by PER and WS/48 [SD scaled, and calibrated for seasons played], and all-time rank
*Scaled PER and WS/48 used, "replacement level" set at PER of 13.5 in rs [12.5 in playoffs] and WS/48 of .078 in rs [.064 in playoffs]; modifiers used the make WS/48 of .100 be worth the same "score" as PER of 15.0; playoff minutes weighted 3.25x as heavy as rs minutes; calibrated to dilute advantage of extensive longevity.

Kevin McHale - 11,586.88 (33rd)
Pau Gasol - 11,291.63 (36th)
Dwight Howard - 10,593.2 (41st)
Paul Pierce - 10.217.94 (45th)
Chauncey Billups - 9,900.42 (47th)
Manu Ginobili - 9,693.17 (49th)
Ray Allen - 9,576.4 (50th)
Gary Payton - 8,631.86 (56th)
Sam Jones - 7,927.99 (65th)
Bob Cousy (**excluding '51)- 6,852.29 (88th)
Willis Reed - 6,084.47 (107th)


For whatever this is worth to you.....

Nice work. Would like to know where Ginobili stands in those stats.

Thanks Anybody else in the Top 50 of this ranking we don’t have in yet?

[trex_8063]

Thru post #21:

Chauncey Billups - 3 (Cavsfansince84, Joao Saraiva, penbeast0)
Paul Pierce - 2 (LA Bird, Odinn21)
Willis Reed - 2 (Clyde Frazier, Dutchball97)
Bob Cousy - 2 (euroleague, Magic Is Magic)
Kevin McHale - 1 (Hal14)
Pau Gasol - 1 (trex_8063)
Sam Jones - 1 (DQuinn1575)


12 votes requires 7 for majority. So we'll eliminate the bottom three, which transfers two votes to Reed, one to Pierce....

Reed - 4
Billups - 3
Pierce - 3
Cousy - 2

So Cousy is next out, which transfers one more to Reed and ghosts another....

Reed - 5
Billups - 3
Pierce - 3
(ghosted) - 1

So Reed becomes a default victor, but we'll need to validate it via Condorcet.

Reed leads Billups 5-4 so far (I need to hear from euroleague, LA Bird, Odinn21 on this account)
Reed leads Pierce 5-4 so far (I need to hear from penbeast0, Joao Saraiva, and again euroleague on this account)

As soon as you can, chaps....

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[euroleague]

Thru post #21:

Chauncey Billups - 3 (Cavsfansince84, Joao Saraiva, penbeast0)
Paul Pierce - 2 (LA Bird, Odinn21)
Willis Reed - 2 (Clyde Frazier, Dutchball97)
Bob Cousy - 2 (euroleague, Magic Is Magic)
Kevin McHale - 1 (Hal14)
Pau Gasol - 1 (trex_8063)
Sam Jones - 1 (DQuinn1575)


12 votes requires 7 for majority. So we'll eliminate the bottom three, which transfers two votes to Reed, one to Pierce....

Reed - 4
Billups - 3
Pierce - 3
Cousy - 2

So Cousy is next out, which transfers one more to Reed and ghosts another....

Reed - 5
Billups - 3
Pierce - 3
(ghosted) - 1

So Reed becomes a default victor, but we'll need to validate it via Condorcet.

Reed leads Billups 5-4 so far (I need to hear from euroleague, LA Bird, Odinn21 on this account)
Reed leads Pierce 5-4 so far (I need to hear from penbeast0, Joao Saraiva, and again euroleague on this account)

As soon as you can, chaps....

I only have one account. WTF?

[euroleague]

Anyways, I'll take Reed on both match-ups. Reed was a dominant big who led his teams to perennial title contention.

I'll take Pierce over Billups, as Pierce was a dominant scorer who led his team to high levels and never held the ball in his hands overly long or hogged it like so many others scorers of his ilk (at least in my view)

[trex_8063]

Anyways, I'll take Reed on both match-ups. Reed was a dominant big who led his teams to perennial title contention.

I'll take Pierce over Billups, as Pierce was a dominant scorer who led his team to high levels and never held the ball in his hands overly long or hogged it like so many others scorers of his ilk (at least in my view)

"On this account" meaning "regarding this matter".

That settles it. I think 45 frankly oversells Reed, but he's the winner. Will get the next up in a moment....

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