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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#21 » by Zenzibar » Mon Feb 1, 2021 2:15 am

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2021 NBA DRAFT: BJ BOSTON – THE TOP OVERALL PROSPECT

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2021 NBA DRAFT: BJ BOSTON – THE TOP OVERALL PROSPECT
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As long as Brandon Boston Jr stays healthy in his one season under John Calipari, he will be FOG’s top overall prospect for the long run. The 6-7 and 190 pound wing has all the makes of a franchise cornerstone that FOG would look for in a top overall pick. There are currently no other platforms or outlets favoring Boston as the top prospect, with Cade Cunningham and Jalen Green being amongst the favorites. FOG is putting an early stamp on Boston as the most talented player in the 2021 field.


There is no doubt that the talent in the 2021 NBA Draft is elite. Stamping Boston atop the board is not diminishing the talent of Cunningham, Green, Mobley, Suggs or Kuminga, but rather a supreme, legitimate confidence that BJ Boston is a longterm face of the NBA and a multi-time All-Star.

Prior to getting into what drives my confidence for the Norcross, Georgia native, I do want to put out some of hesitations on other top prospects for reference, because after all, every high draft pick carries measurable risk. Cade Cunningham’s size and playmaking is as unique of a skillset as we’ve seen in college basketball, but his struggle to separate at times as well as deep shooting question marks keep him as my second ranked prospect. Jalen Green’s narrow frame makes him an awkward fit defensively at the NBA level, as well as a slight tendency to fade out of a game if he doesn’t have a large usage rate. His impact on winning basketball is something we will not be able to evaluate this season, but I am not completely sold on his ability to elevate his teammates and defend multiple spots. Evan Mobley has long been a favorite of FOG, and while I do not have extreme worries about his skillset, he has plenty of physical development to work on in order to compete in the paint at the NBA level. Jalen Suggs brings about little to no questions whatsoever, but I favor Boston’s top end potential, although both project as franchise cornerstones for FOG. Kuminga is an elite athlete and my favorite defender in this class by a fair margin, but his offense is raw and he needs to improve his handle.

BJ Boston has and will continue to show many skillset tendencies that both Brandon Ingram and Jayson Tatum showed while they were at Duke. Lanky wings with frames that make you hesitate while simultaneously drooling at what it can develop into because of their immense feel as scorers. Tatum and Ingram showed wildly impressive scoring flashes at the college level, but had questions regarding their playmaking and defense. Now, both are functional playmakers (both average 3.0+ assists per game) and have become positive defenders, an area where Tatum in specific has excelled (3.7 Defensive Win Shares last season). Getting 20-25 pounds onto Boston will be a project over the next 2-3 seasons, but one that will greatly reward him as a finisher at the rim and as a ball handler who loves to snake around screens against “ice” PnR coverages to get to his spots.

Boston is an incredible athlete with the ability to finish with power, but what impresses me athletically is his ability to hang in the air on finishes and mid-range jumpers while maintaining his elite touch. Boston’s polish and fluidity speaks for itself, and was essentially all he needed to display at Sierra Canyon playing alongside a loaded roster to win game after game. The versatile wing has the ball handling talent to be a secondary playmaker at the next level and while his assist numbers have never been extremely high, his threat as a scorer at all three levels and natural IQ to find his spots should allow for his playmaking to open up when he’s given extra attention defensively. Boston has illustrated early on with Kentucky that he thrives on drawing contact on slashes, a trait that is rare for a young, wiry wing.

Boston is the not the top shooter in this class. Nor the best athlete. Or the best playmaker. But, his outlook as an all around scorer and versatile defender due to his length and IQ give him the most appeal out of any prospect in this field for FOG. For any franchise lacking complete direction at the top of the lottery, pouring the level of stock that the top pick has into a incredibly talented playmaker with scoring question marks could be putting all your eggs into one basket as playmaking does not always translate to a tee. Consequently, using the top pick towards a generational athlete with a shallow body of work and minimal areas of impact within a game might not be the best organizational move. BJ Boston is my answer and will continue to be due to the immense flashes he shows in every impactful area.

I expect some struggles for Boston this season in Lexington. A wing who’s close to 6-8 with a near 7-0 wingspan who’s primary skillset offensively is his craftiness can breed some inefficiency due to the lack of spacing in college basketball, but will allow him to focus on developing a quicker release and a strong pull up jumper off close outs. The offense struggles thus far already have created inefficiency. Kentucky has a lack of shot creators outside of Terrence Clarke and Devin Askew, both of which have struggled separating offensively. Maximizing his ability to get to his spots now and use his length to finish with little to no spacing will provide mass value at the next level down the line.

After evaluating the 2020 NBA Draft class for over a year, my long term projected ended with 1-2 All-Stars within the class. My early projection for the 2021 NBA Draft class is 5 eventual All-Stars. Of my current top 5 prospects, Jalen Suggs is the only one that I project to fface a constant upswing in terms of his stock. Cunningham and OSU will have their struggles in the win column and some scoring concerns for Cade may arise. Jalen Green and Jonathan Kuminga should be quiet all season long as they develop in the G-League program. Evan Mobley’s USC Trojans will surely face adversity within a relatively weak roster outside the Mobley brothers. So, as incredibly impressive as this class is, I do not necessarily project any of them to be the NCAA’s Naismith Player of the Year or become a massive favorite to be the top pick in 2021.

BJ Boston has plenty of room to grow this season in Lexington, but his body of work to this point and the his developmental path provide me more than enough fuel to peg his name atop the 2021 NBA Draft Big Board. Cade Cunningham and Evan Mobley will be the only two competitors to supplant Boston due to their hefty swing traits, but in all, Boston’s versatility, natural feel for the game and elite touch make him the very early FOG Favorite.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2 

Post#22 » by robillionaire » Mon Feb 1, 2021 2:16 am

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knickstape4ever wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if BJ Boston or Terrence Clarke returned to Kentucky for another year

Cal can point to IQ and PJ Washington as 2 5-star recruits who didn't have the freshman year you'd expect, returned for year 2, raised their stock and are both thriving in the NBA

I think that's more likely with Clarke, as BJ Boston is still probably a lottery pick.


probably tho w/ the way Boston has been playing he might even fall out of the lottery


He’s 21st in tankathon’s mock draft and Clarke isn’t mentioned at all. If they do enter the draft be worth taking a shot on with the hornets 2nd rounder with potential high risk high reward if it pans out. I don’t think you can write off Clarke’s career based on a handful of bad games
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Post#23 » by 8516knicks » Mon Feb 1, 2021 2:20 am

I don't get the all the love for an 18% 3pt shooter for a team that needs shooters! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Let's just call back Michael Kidd Gilchrist. :crazy:
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Post#24 » by WargamesX » Mon Feb 1, 2021 6:46 am

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cgf wrote:I think that's more likely with Clarke, as BJ Boston is still probably a lottery pick.


probably tho w/ the way Boston has been playing he might even fall out of the lottery

Yeah, if that happens then I think it makes sense to go back and hope that with another year of polish & a competent PG, he can go top 5. But if he can build on his better recent form, I'm not sure how likely that is.

I think the unspoken reason you don’t see Clarke in a lot of mocks that include the second round is everyone expect him to go back. He and Boston with a playmaking PG would both likely do a lot better.

Then again SGA, Quick, Herro, and Booker make Kentucky guards a known thing. Boston and Clarke might get taken in the 1st round off the reputation alone.
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Post#25 » by cgf » Mon Feb 1, 2021 6:47 am

8516knicks wrote:I don't get the all the love for an 18% 3pt shooter for a team that needs shooters! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Let's just call back Michael Kidd Gilchrist. :crazy:

Not sure anyone is arguing for Boston as a quick fix to any of our problems...unless you've got the top pick, that's just not what the draft is for...but Boston is an interesting project and at some point the value becomes too good to pass on.
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Post#26 » by 8516knicks » Mon Feb 1, 2021 7:01 am

Yeah, maybe deep 2nd round!
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Post#27 » by cgf » Mon Feb 1, 2021 7:08 am

8516knicks wrote:Yeah, maybe deep 2nd round!

Deep 2nd round, late lottery, same difference.
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Post#28 » by TerrenceClarke » Mon Feb 1, 2021 1:51 pm

It’s crazy to me to not see the immense value of being able to get BJ Boston if we are picking late lotto. People thinking he is some second pick is laughable. I would rather follow the pattern that UK guards more often than not are good in the NBA. He has sucked for a far majority of the year. But there is a lot of talent in him. This is the case of talented wing not performing well, not a bum who can’t play at all. UK guards are different in NBA and nothing I have seen from BJ Boston as bad as he has been would make me Close the door. I still see the ability that is tantalizing in spades. Anything past 10 is excellent value for him.
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Post#29 » by WargamesX » Mon Feb 1, 2021 1:54 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:It’s crazy to me to not see the immense value of being able to get BJ Boston if we are picking late lotto. People thinking he is some second pick is laughable. I would rather follow the pattern that UK guards more often than not are good in the NBA. He has sucked for a far majority of the year. But there is a lot of talent in him. This is the case of talented wing not performing well, not a bum who can’t play at all. UK guards are different in NBA and nothing I have seen from BJ Boston as bad as he has been would make me Close the door. I still see the ability that is tantalizing in spades. Anything past 10 is excellent value for him.


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Post#30 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Feb 1, 2021 2:56 pm

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High 20's? He's really good, but height, so I'm just guessing.
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Post#31 » by DowNY » Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:25 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:It’s crazy to me to not see the immense value of being able to get BJ Boston if we are picking late lotto. People thinking he is some second pick is laughable. I would rather follow the pattern that UK guards more often than not are good in the NBA. He has sucked for a far majority of the year. But there is a lot of talent in him. This is the case of talented wing not performing well, not a bum who can’t play at all. UK guards are different in NBA and nothing I have seen from BJ Boston as bad as he has been would make me Close the door. I still see the ability that is tantalizing in spades. Anything past 10 is excellent value for him.

I take Boston over Knox, RIGHT NOW
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Post#32 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:25 pm

If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent over someone like Mitch. Mobley can actually put the ball on the floor and I've seen him actually find players with good passes. He could be a real unicorn type big man.
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Post#33 » by HEZI » Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:26 pm

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High 20's? He's really good, but height, so I'm just guessing.


Not sure but anywhere between 20's to somewhere in 2nd round to possibly undrafted would be my guess
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Post#34 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:29 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent.


Right now, yea. I think those 3 guys are in a tier of their own. Mobley is legit. Depends on how the rest of the season goes and the G-league guys though.
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Post#35 » by cgf » Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:31 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent over someone like Mitch. Mobley can actually put the ball on the floor and I've seen him actually find players with good passes.

I think I'd just take Green...assuming he's as good as he sounds & the clips make him look. He's the one who was supposed to challenge Cade before we all forgot about him because he's in the GL and the tools are clearly there.

That said, I really like Mobley too and I would be thrilled with any of the top 5.
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Post#36 » by HEZI » Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:33 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent.


He's really thin so whoever drafts him would need to be patient with him. He's probably going to need a while to fill out his frame and adjust to the league. Doesn't seem like he would be an instant contributing starter from day 1 especially for a team looking to win games.
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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent over someone like Mitch. Mobley can actually put the ball on the floor and I've seen him actually find players with good passes. He could be a real unicorn type big man.

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Post#38 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:49 pm

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent.


Right now, yea. I think those 3 guys are in a tier of their own. Mobley is legit. Depends on how the rest of the season goes and the G-league guys though.

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Post#39 » by RHODEY » Mon Feb 1, 2021 3:52 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent over someone like Mitch. Mobley can actually put the ball on the floor and I've seen him actually find players with good passes. He could be a real unicorn type big man.


Jalen Green and Kuminga need a hard look there.
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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:If Cade and Suggs are off the board and we get lucky and end up with the 3rd pick would you draft Mobley? I know Melo doesn't really like him but with Randle's and RJ's ascension, would it make sense to try to add a stretch big of his caliber? Do you actually buy him having a jumper at the next level? He's not really shooting threes at the high of a volume but I think there's upside as a shooter, since he's got pretty good touch. I don't think our defense would drop off that much. Mobley has pretty good shot blocking skills and looks mobile enough to defend the perimeter. I think it should be something we should consider since we really do need an upgrade in offensive talent.


Right now, yea. I think those 3 guys are in a tier of their own. Mobley is legit. Depends on how the rest of the season goes and the G-league guys though.

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Its more so just think Mobley is gonna be really good. It would be a good problem to have. I would still take Cade or Suggs over Mobley for the Knicks. But at #3 I would have to go Mobley right now...that could change for me though. Most likely we don't end up in that spot anyway.
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