derrick rose

[KnicksGadfly]

Still carrying teams, though. Our bench plays great, and Rose is a huge part of that.

[johanliebert]

He still has blazing speed.

[nitric0]

Best player on the Knicks.

[naabzor]

Imagine injuries never happened... this guy probably would have been same tier as Lebron, KD, Giannis.

[Clyde Frazier]

Biggest part about his success right now (other than health obviously) is he knows his role and is content with it. His game is almost exclusively under the rim now but his burst is still there and just makes great decisions with the ball the majority of the time. The pull up 3PT shooting looks real which is crazy. The threat of his drives gives him enough room to get those clean looks tho.

[jlokine]

Imagine injuries never happened... this guy probably would have been same tier as Lebron, KD, Giannis.

but to everyone else's point, he was reckless and played like every game was his last, that's what got him to that level, but it's also because of that intensity that his body broke down.. so hard to say if he can sustain that level of play

[prophet_of_rage]

Can someone who watches him more regularly comment on Derrick rose's play/athleticism? is he playing like he recovered from career threatening knee injuries or did he use his injuries as a lesson to change up his game in order to stay in the game longer? he seems like he's still got it in some moments but he doesnt make the wreckless lane driving plays anymore. feels like he is playing scared.

He doesn't play stupid. He doesn't throw himself recklessly in the air.

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[jc23]

Imagine injuries never happened... this guy probably would have been same tier as Lebron, KD, Giannis.

but to everyone else's point, he was reckless and played like every game was his last, that's what got him to that level, but it's also because of that intensity that his body broke down.. so hard to say if he can sustain that level of play

all i know is early in the 2012 season he looked better then his MVP season (10-11). He was going to lose some athleticism no matter what but what he would have gained is maturity and experience i.e. he was only going to get better from 2011 on. What i wonder is if there was no shortened season would he have ever torn his ACL.

[prophet_of_rage]

Imagine injuries never happened... this guy probably would have been same tier as Lebron, KD, Giannis.

but to everyone else's point, he was reckless and played like every game was his last, that's what got him to that level, but it's also because of that intensity that his body broke down.. so hard to say if he can sustain that level of play

all i know is early in the 2012 season he looked better then his MVP season (10-11). He was going to lose some athleticism no matter what but what he would have gained is maturity and experience i.e. he was only going to get better from 2011 on. What i wonder is if there was no shortened season would he have ever torn his ACL.

Yes. Derrick Rose was always a two foot leaper who landed on one foot forst. That's what did him in. He put too much pressure on his own body wiyh the pro hop takeoff and then one foot landing.

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[slicedbread2]

but to everyone else's point, he was reckless and played like every game was his last, that's what got him to that level, but it's also because of that intensity that his body broke down.. so hard to say if he can sustain that level of play

all i know is early in the 2012 season he looked better then his MVP season (10-11). He was going to lose some athleticism no matter what but what he would have gained is maturity and experience i.e. he was only going to get better from 2011 on. What i wonder is if there was no shortened season would he have ever torn his ACL.

Yes. Derrick Rose was always a two foot leaper who landed on one foot forst. That's what did him in. He put too much pressure on his own body wiyh the pro hop takeoff and then one foot landing.

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That inability to develop a proper jump shot really did him in. Plus the landing mechanics you mentioned were the Achilles heel that did Rose in. I looked at other guys and their landing mechanics like an LBJ or Russ and I noticed that they would take 4-5 steps after dunking to minimize the impact which in retrospect was pretty smart.

It still baffled me that the Bulls had Keith Bogans as a starting 2 guard which reduced the Bulls to a 4 on 5 on offense and forced a heavier offensive load onto Rose. A shame Kyle Korver didn't become the beast he did until after leaving Chicago for Atlanta as that shooting would've created a lot more spacing.

Either way it's nice to see Rose be able to get back on his feet and end his career on his own terms a la Grant Hill. Him signing a 3/43M(last year is a team option) deal with NY was truly nice to see plus him playing under coach Thibs is nice to see.

[jc23]

all i know is early in the 2012 season he looked better then his MVP season (10-11). He was going to lose some athleticism no matter what but what he would have gained is maturity and experience i.e. he was only going to get better from 2011 on. What i wonder is if there was no shortened season would he have ever torn his ACL.

Yes. Derrick Rose was always a two foot leaper who landed on one foot forst. That's what did him in. He put too much pressure on his own body wiyh the pro hop takeoff and then one foot landing.

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That inability to develop a proper jump shot really did him in. Plus the landing mechanics you mentioned were the Achilles heel that did Rose in. I looked at other guys and their landing mechanics like an LBJ or Russ and I noticed that they would take 4-5 steps after dunking to minimize the impact which in retrospect was pretty smart.

It still baffled me that the Bulls had Keith Bogans as a starting 2 guard which reduced the Bulls to a 4 on 5 on offense and forced a heavier offensive load onto Rose. A shame Kyle Korver didn't become the beast he did until after leaving Chicago for Atlanta as that shooting would've created a lot more spacing.

Either way it's nice to see Rose be able to get back on his feet and end his career on his own terms a la Grant Hill. Him signing a 3/43M(last year is a team option) deal with NY was truly nice to see plus him playing under coach Thibs is nice to see.

yeah Bogans was the worst starting player in the league that year. People forget the BUlls drafted Jimmy BUtler that summer. They were on a trajectory to be a dominant team.

[MrBigShot]

He was one of the most athletic guards ever pre-injury, so even at like ~70% of his peak athleticism he's still a very good athlete. Good speed, quickness, change of direction. Definitely not the same end to end blazing speed or hang time, but he has improved his jumper and makes great use of his floater.

[slicedbread2]

Yes. Derrick Rose was always a two foot leaper who landed on one foot forst. That's what did him in. He put too much pressure on his own body wiyh the pro hop takeoff and then one foot landing.

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That inability to develop a proper jump shot really did him in. Plus the landing mechanics you mentioned were the Achilles heel that did Rose in. I looked at other guys and their landing mechanics like an LBJ or Russ and I noticed that they would take 4-5 steps after dunking to minimize the impact which in retrospect was pretty smart.

It still baffled me that the Bulls had Keith Bogans as a starting 2 guard which reduced the Bulls to a 4 on 5 on offense and forced a heavier offensive load onto Rose. A shame Kyle Korver didn't become the beast he did until after leaving Chicago for Atlanta as that shooting would've created a lot more spacing.

Either way it's nice to see Rose be able to get back on his feet and end his career on his own terms a la Grant Hill. Him signing a 3/43M(last year is a team option) deal with NY was truly nice to see plus him playing under coach Thibs is nice to see.

yeah Bogans was the worst starting player in the league that year. People forget the BUlls drafted Jimmy BUtler that summer. They were on a trajectory to be a dominant team.

It's a real shame that ownership wasn't willing to spend the money in order to give Rose some help instead choosing to stay under the tax at all costs. Boozer was made expendable by the emergence of Taj Gibson. If they had even a decent starting calibre 2 guard who could've provided extra spacing for Rose and the Bulls it could've been a different story and the team wouldn't have been so heavily dependent on Rose. By the time Noah and Butler developed it was too late for Rose in terms of what he could've been.