Lakers 'Covertly' Explored Trade Of Russell Westbrook

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Re: Lakers 'Covertly' Explored Trade Of Russell Westbrook 

Post#21 » by Buckeye-NBAFan » Thu Jan 6, 2022 2:46 am

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Lalouie wrote:the wiz currently stand at #21 in team offense

last year with westbrook, in spite of all the roster disruptions in the beginning and maybe the worst roster in the nba outside of westbrook and beal, they ended the season with the #3 offense


They were 17th in offensive efficiency last year, slightly below average, no where near #3.


that was the sum total and dismissing that they had the most disruptive start due to covid etal other than the celts, and minus bryant for the whole year. once the league settled down that is when the wiz picked up. it's that simple. do you look at a team overall of how it ends?


You do realize that if you get more possessions because you shoot quick, the other team also gets more possessions, right?
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Re: Lakers 'Covertly' Explored Trade Of Russell Westbrook 

Post#22 » by og15 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 2:50 am

Lalouie wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
Lalouie wrote:the wiz currently stand at #21 in team offense

last year with westbrook, in spite of all the roster disruptions in the beginning and maybe the worst roster in the nba outside of westbrook and beal, they ended the season with the #3 offense


They were 17th in offensive efficiency last year, slightly below average, no where near #3.


that was the sum total and dismissing that they had the most disruptive start due to covid etal other than the celts, and minus bryant for the whole year. once the league settled down that is when the wiz picked up. it's that simple. do you look at a team overall of how it ends?

You brought that on yourself with your phrasing. You would need to specify how long of a stretch they were the #3 offense if your intent is to say they had a stretch towards the end like that. If you just say they ended the season with the #3 offense, the assumption is going to be that you are saying by the end of the season they were ranked 3rd in Ortg. I don't believe there was any point where they were the 3rd most efficient offense though.

Now, if the metric you are using is ppg, that's fine, but that's not necessarily ranking how good an offense is. The Wizards led the league in pace and were 3rd in ppg. They were 17th in Ortg though. This season they are 24th in pace 21st in ppg and 18th in Ortg.

I suppose we could rank offense by ppg if we're simply looking at who scores the most and not who scores the best, but that's just telling us that Russ's presence had them playing faster, it's not telling us that the offense was producing better on a per possession basis, soo....
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Re: Lakers 'Covertly' Explored Trade Of Russell Westbrook 

Post#23 » by Lalouie » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:44 am

og15 wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
They were 17th in offensive efficiency last year, slightly below average, no where near #3.


that was the sum total and dismissing that they had the most disruptive start due to covid etal other than the celts, and minus bryant for the whole year. once the league settled down that is when the wiz picked up. it's that simple. do you look at a team overall of how it ends?

You brought that on yourself with your phrasing. You would need to specify how long of a stretch they were the #3 offense if your intent is to say they had a stretch towards the end like that. If you just say they ended the season with the #3 offense, the assumption is going to be that you are saying by the end of the season they were ranked 3rd in Ortg. I don't believe there was any point where they were the 3rd most efficient offense though.

Now, if the metric you are using is ppg, that's fine, but that's not necessarily ranking how good an offense is. The Wizards led the league in pace and were 3rd in ppg. They were 17th in Ortg though. This season they are 24th in pace 21st in ppg and 18th in Ortg.

I suppose we could rank offense by ppg if we're simply looking at who scores the most and not who scores the best, but that's just telling us that Russ's presence had them playing faster, it's not telling us that the offense was producing better on a per possession basis, soo....


okay. if you want to put it that way. but ppg for THAT team last is damn good
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Re: Lakers 'Covertly' Explored Trade Of Russell Westbrook 

Post#24 » by Temuhjan » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:54 am

How about this: Ship Russ to Philly and divert Simmons to Milwaukee. Take back Jrue Holiday and Seth Curry.

Morey lands his All Star. Milwaukee gets a partner for Giannis. Lakers get a proper back court for a change.
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Post#25 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 5:07 am

Temuhjan wrote:How about this: Ship Russ to Philly and divert Simmons to Milwaukee. Take back Jrue Holiday and Seth Curry.

Morey lands his All Star. Milwaukee gets a partner for Giannis. Lakers get a proper back court for a change.


The lakers would love that....everyone else would be laughing.
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Re: Lakers 'Covertly' Explored Trade Of Russell Westbrook 

Post#26 » by Rek » Thu Jan 6, 2022 7:28 am

As if trade season is over...
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Re: Lakers 'Covertly' Explored Trade Of Russell Westbrook 

Post#27 » by ontnut » Thu Jan 6, 2022 6:50 pm

Temuhjan wrote:How about this: Ship Russ to Philly and divert Simmons to Milwaukee. Take back Jrue Holiday and Seth Curry.

Morey lands his All Star. Milwaukee gets a partner for Giannis. Lakers get a proper back court for a change.

lol worthy.
Russ isn't an all-star anymore (or shouldn't be). They're also not giving up BOTH Simmons AND Curry (who might be their second best player right now) for Russ lol.

Jrue Holiday might very well be more valuable than Simmons. Esp to MIL who needs perimeter shooting around Giannis.

Just a bad trade idea all around.
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Re: Lakers 'Covertly' Explored Trade Of Russell Westbrook 

Post#28 » by ontnut » Thu Jan 6, 2022 6:59 pm

Lalouie wrote:
og15 wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
that was the sum total and dismissing that they had the most disruptive start due to covid etal other than the celts, and minus bryant for the whole year. once the league settled down that is when the wiz picked up. it's that simple. do you look at a team overall of how it ends?

You brought that on yourself with your phrasing. You would need to specify how long of a stretch they were the #3 offense if your intent is to say they had a stretch towards the end like that. If you just say they ended the season with the #3 offense, the assumption is going to be that you are saying by the end of the season they were ranked 3rd in Ortg. I don't believe there was any point where they were the 3rd most efficient offense though.

Now, if the metric you are using is ppg, that's fine, but that's not necessarily ranking how good an offense is. The Wizards led the league in pace and were 3rd in ppg. They were 17th in Ortg though. This season they are 24th in pace 21st in ppg and 18th in Ortg.

I suppose we could rank offense by ppg if we're simply looking at who scores the most and not who scores the best, but that's just telling us that Russ's presence had them playing faster, it's not telling us that the offense was producing better on a per possession basis, soo....


okay. if you want to put it that way. but ppg for THAT team last is damn good

You mean, put it the RIGHT way? Looking at raw PPG and not including efficiency is such a 90s thing to do.
I guess that's also something Westbrook does too. Scoring 20 pts on 52% TS gets you...-0.1 OWS and a -0.3 OBPM.
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