Does Devin Booker have MVP consideration ??

[SpreeS]

PHO is very good team and can live w/o leaders

W/o Paul 11W - 5L
W/o Booker 8W - 5L

W/o Paul 1751min +5.6 netrtg
W/o Booker 1545min +5.5 netrtg

Even

W/o Booker/Paul 815min +2.6 netrtg

Doesn’t smell MVP or All-NBA 1st team for boths

[Catchall]

I think Monty Williams is COY in a run-away.

[Mr Puddles]

Suns fans will happily settle for finals MVP.

[Slim Charless]

Suns fan here. No he's not, but that's OK cause he's shooting for Finals MVP anyways.

[JayMKE]

Him and CP3 split votes, don't have the efficiency stats people necessitate now.

[Hobo4President]

Well for reference, when Nash won twice there were guys with better production leading their teams to top seeds as well

Steve Nash's impact was right up there with any player with more impressive numbers. He WAS the Suns. The gameplan was give the ball to Steve Nash and let him make magic happen.

Booker's impact is not remotely comparable to the guys who have a legitimate shot at winning the award this season. Nobody in their right mind would actually take him over Giannis, Jokic, or Embiid. And among the next guys in line, not over Luka or Tatum. Heck Steph is having a really mediocre year by his standards and his on/off impact stats are still tremendous.

Booker is a perennial all star and one of the best guards in the league, and there's nothing wrong with that.

MVP is about performance over this season, whether or not people would take luka or tatum moving forward is irrelevant. he absolutely has an MVP case over those two. i think his case over tatum is actually very clear, i really disagree with people placing him over book in their votes.

Nah, Tatum has been better which is why it shows up in all the impact metrics.

[jcsunsfan]

Devin Booker ranks 87th in the league in touches per game. Yet he is scoring nearly 27 a game and playing top level defense on the best team in the league. He gets about half the touches that Jokic does. Anyone who watches knows Book can get his shot off any time and any place on the court. He sacrifices touches for a good team. Don't penalize winning.

[YourCellarDoor]

Steve Nash's impact was right up there with any player with more impressive numbers. He WAS the Suns. The gameplan was give the ball to Steve Nash and let him make magic happen.

Booker's impact is not remotely comparable to the guys who have a legitimate shot at winning the award this season. Nobody in their right mind would actually take him over Giannis, Jokic, or Embiid. And among the next guys in line, not over Luka or Tatum. Heck Steph is having a really mediocre year by his standards and his on/off impact stats are still tremendous.

Booker is a perennial all star and one of the best guards in the league, and there's nothing wrong with that.

MVP is about performance over this season, whether or not people would take luka or tatum moving forward is irrelevant. he absolutely has an MVP case over those two. i think his case over tatum is actually very clear, i really disagree with people placing him over book in their votes.

Nah, Tatum has been better which is why it shows up in all the impact metrics.

that's an argument for tatum. the argument for booker is that they have nearly identical stats and shooting efficiency, and booker is a 1A/1B on the team with the best record in the league by 8 games. being the best player on the best team in the league has been part of the criteria in the past. if you value publicly available impact stats over that then that's your preference, but it isn't really an obvious situation either way.

[-Luke-]

No. But that has less to do with him as a player and more to do with the competition (Jokic, Giannis, Embiid). He'll probably get a few 4th and 5th place and All-NBA 1st team votes.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

depends on what you consider "consideration".

the three real candidates are jokic, embiid, giannis.

if you want to talk about that next tier of tatum and ja, booker is in there and imo should be at the top of it. but there's separation between that group and the top 3, their production is just too much.

Well for reference, when Nash won twice there were guys with better production leading their teams to top seeds as well

Actually, there were not, especially on the first one.
Nash was not a very strong candidate those two years, but the field was exceptionally weak.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

that's an argument for tatum. the argument for booker is that they have nearly identical stats and shooting efficiency, and booker is a 1A/1B on the team with the best record in the league by 8 games. being the best player on the best team in the league has been part of the criteria in the past. if you value publicly available impact stats over that then that's your preference, but it isn't really an obvious situation either way.

it has been but you must be seen as the uncontested leader of the team to make it or you're going to lose a lot of steam in the eyes of the voters.
That's why Durant and Curry got very little traction when together in 2017, for instance.

[MrBigShot]

Devin Booker ranks 87th in the league in touches per game. Yet he is scoring nearly 27 a game and playing top level defense on the best team in the league. He gets about half the touches that Jokic does. Anyone who watches knows Book can get his shot off any time and any place on the court. He sacrifices touches for a good team. Don't penalize winning.

He gets less touches because he plays a dramatically different role. Booker is primarily a scorer who can get his own shot and make good reads/passes within the offense. On the other hand, everything about the Nuggets offense revolves around Jokic.

Booker takes a whopping 3.2 more shots a game than Jokic and Jokic still scores more per game while being asked to be the team's primary playmaker, so there's also that. Try to imagine the nuggets without Jokic this season, then the Suns without Booker. And then rethink this take.

It's not penalizing winning when the impact Jokic provides is in another stratosphere.

[eathb_au]

Devin Booker ranks 87th in the league in touches per game. Yet he is scoring nearly 27 a game and playing top level defense on the best team in the league. He gets about half the touches that Jokic does. Anyone who watches knows Book can get his shot off any time and any place on the court. He sacrifices touches for a good team. Don't penalize winning.

Yeah that's not how basketball works.

[Ayt]

Is there any point in bringing him up in the discussion when guys like Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid exist?

[JHFVF07]

Its hard become a MVP when you have a a player with better ws, ws/48, BPM and vORP on your team (they have almost the same PER), Im not telling you CP3 is the best player on the team, but its too close for the voters.

[NO-KG-AI]

Is there any point in bringing him up in the discussion when guys like Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid exist?

Exactly. Is anyone here willing to actually flat out say he's better or more valuable than them? And I don't mean "I'm not saying he's better... but".

At best we're arguing about who gets the 4th place vote, and in that case, who gives a ****? lol

[Exp0sed]

Devin Booker ranks 87th in the league in touches per game. Yet he is scoring nearly 27 a game and playing top level defense on the best team in the league. He gets about half the touches that Jokic does. Anyone who watches knows Book can get his shot off any time and any place on the court. He sacrifices touches for a good team. Don't penalize winning.

Lol that's hillarious
One of the worst apples to orange comparison I can think of, so misleading.

Booker isn't the main facilitator on his squad. Him having 'less' touches only means he has more selective touches, i.e ones that were designed to put the ball in his hands in specific situations.

He ranks very high on points per touch the same way Klay does - They are SG's who move well without the ball, either cutting to get a good midrange\layup opportunity, or going behind screens for catch and shoots, etc. Their team game plan is to minimize their touches to specific kinds of touches where they are most effective. They are both elite shooters with quick release and very skilled in getting seperation and getting their shots off (and making them) which is precisely why the Suns game plan in order to put the Ball ('touches') in Booker's hand in certain situations.

It's not like any1 could do it..it takes a lot of skill and that's why he's one of the best Sg's in the league (at least offensively) but he isn't 'sacrificing' anything: The Suns would be a worse team if they took touches out of other player's hands (ahem, Paul who is top 5 at 44% ast%, meaning he assists on 44% of his team's Fgs while he's on the court, Jokic is 5th at 39%)

Point is Jokic has almost double the touches because he gets the ball at more situations (not just ones where he is in a position to score\assist) and asked to create such an opportunity for his team. If the Suns gave Booker twice the touches..they would be...a lot less succesfull as a team. Taking those limited touches and flipping it as if it is somehow a skill of Booker's is asinine

[JRoy]

Not even the best player on his team

[TOStateofMind]

Of course not, but he'll finish somewhere in the top 10.

[Jadoogar]

He's going to be 4th or 5th on most ballots.

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