What does it cost for Dallas to dump Bertans

[Godaddycurse]

What does seth curry got? Harris? Hield? Thj? Duncan robinson? Im not even looking at washington stats after hearing dinwiddie talking about that lockerroom. And as stated, while defense isnt great its not donovan bad

They got their deals coming off a great shooting season, not an abysmal one

So did bertans?

Right so he signed a market value deal for his great season, and then proceed to underperform by a lot, so now his deal is negative value

[Apz]

Bertans (3) --> Fournier (3)
Kleber (1) --> Noel (2)
Powell (1) --> Burks (2)

I have Fournier more versatile/useful to the Mavs, and Noel's rim protection as beneficial to the Mavs. I have Burks with Fournier helping diversify a Luka-centric offense because he also adds playmaking with Fournier. Mavs are a better team after the deal.

I have Bertans duplicative with Randle and Toppin as far as position. So the Knicks need to shave off the extra year of Noel and Burks here.

20 million bucks off Bertans 49 million marks him at 3 years 29 million. So he's a below MLE player the Knicks don't need, but they should value the 20 million cap relief for next season for something they do need.

Add pick 26 for the uncertainty in that vs. certainty Dallas diversifies the offense and adds rim protection.

No way knicks get to dump their trash contracts, and definetly not begging for a pick on top of that. Mavs gog size issues, but u just their only 3 6'10 guys for an unjuryprone backup center that, lets pug it nice, isnt the most popular guy in dallas, Fournier that is just as bad contract as bertans and burks. Kleber is ghe most valuable piece in the trade, and mavs also getting thj back so not sure where burks will get minutes. Considefing whats been said about money in this thread it suddenly looks like knicks owe 1sts in this trade

[zimpy27]

He has $38m guaranteed and Favors is $10m

So OKC would be taking $28m.

OKC took $32m guaranteed in Kemba-Horford trade. OKC got pick 16 and gave pick 31.

So I think pick 26 and an SRP is enough to dump Bertans.

how 38 millions guaranteed? Thought he had 16+17+16 of player option. That's a 39 millions gap. Pick #16 in last draft was way more valuable and we could afford taking on some big contracts at that time. Shai max starting now and we hope we can get some good players in 2023-2024 so it's just beyond terrible to make that deal.

I wouldn't do it for 26 + another FRP because bad picks aren't valuable enough to us compared to cap flexibility.

It's an ETO not a PO and I think it's only guaranteed for $5m.

Sure it may not suit OKC right now but just discussing objective value.
Pick 26 and an SRP feels about right.

Bertans isn't a bad player. He's kind of like Muscala, much maligned but impactful when used correctly.

[MasterIchiro]

Bertans (3) --> Fournier (3)
Kleber (1) --> Noel (2)
Powell (1) --> Burks (2)

I have Fournier more versatile/useful to the Mavs, and Noel's rim protection as beneficial to the Mavs. I have Burks with Fournier helping diversify a Luka-centric offense because he also adds playmaking with Fournier. Mavs are a better team after the deal.

I have Bertans duplicative with Randle and Toppin as far as position. So the Knicks need to shave off the extra year of Noel and Burks here.

20 million bucks off Bertans 49 million marks him at 3 years 29 million. So he's a below MLE player the Knicks don't need, but they should value the 20 million cap relief for next season for something they do need.

Add pick 26 for the uncertainty in that vs. certainty Dallas diversifies the offense and adds rim protection.

No way knicks get to dump their trash contracts, and definetly not begging for a pick on top of that. Mavs gog size issues, but u just their only 3 6'10 guys for an unjuryprone backup center that, lets pug it nice, isnt the most popular guy in dallas, Fournier that is just as bad contract as bertans and burks. Kleber is ghe most valuable piece in the trade, and mavs also getting thj back so not sure where burks will get minutes. Considefing whats been said about money in this thread it suddenly looks like knicks owe 1sts in this trade

You want to do a Fournier - Bertans swap? Why would the Knicks do that? You're sending out worse junk here.

[Apz]

They got their deals coming off a great shooting season, not an abysmal one

So did bertans?

Right so he signed a market value deal for his great season, and then proceed to underperform by a lot, so now his deal is negative value

Would say great shooting career, not season. And its not like he was the only one struggling with thd new ball. Barely anyone in mavs wdrd even close to their averages first half of thd season

[Apz]

Bertans (3) --> Fournier (3)
Kleber (1) --> Noel (2)
Powell (1) --> Burks (2)

I have Fournier more versatile/useful to the Mavs, and Noel's rim protection as beneficial to the Mavs. I have Burks with Fournier helping diversify a Luka-centric offense because he also adds playmaking with Fournier. Mavs are a better team after the deal.

I have Bertans duplicative with Randle and Toppin as far as position. So the Knicks need to shave off the extra year of Noel and Burks here.

20 million bucks off Bertans 49 million marks him at 3 years 29 million. So he's a below MLE player the Knicks don't need, but they should value the 20 million cap relief for next season for something they do need.

Add pick 26 for the uncertainty in that vs. certainty Dallas diversifies the offense and adds rim protection.

No way knicks get to dump their trash contracts, and definetly not begging for a pick on top of that. Mavs gog size issues, but u just their only 3 6'10 guys for an unjuryprone backup center that, lets pug it nice, isnt the most popular guy in dallas, Fournier that is just as bad contract as bertans and burks. Kleber is ghe most valuable piece in the trade, and mavs also getting thj back so not sure where burks will get minutes. Considefing whats been said about money in this thread it suddenly looks like knicks owe 1sts in this trade

You want to do a Fournier - Bertans swap? Why would the Knicks do that? You're sending out worse junk here.

And why would mavs send out the best player, and pay a 1st, and take on 18m extra salary? Now THAT doesnt make sense, imo and from earlier posters replies

[MasterIchiro]

No way knicks get to dump their trash contracts, and definetly not begging for a pick on top of that. Mavs gog size issues, but u just their only 3 6'10 guys for an unjuryprone backup center that, lets pug it nice, isnt the most popular guy in dallas, Fournier that is just as bad contract as bertans and burks. Kleber is ghe most valuable piece in the trade, and mavs also getting thj back so not sure where burks will get minutes. Considefing whats been said about money in this thread it suddenly looks like knicks owe 1sts in this trade

You want to do a Fournier - Bertans swap? Why would the Knicks do that? You're sending out worse junk here.

And why would mavs send out the best player, and pay a 1st, and take on 18m extra salary? Now THAT doesnt make sense, imo and from earlier posters replies

Fournier makes sense for the Mavs. Bertans makes NO sense for the Knicks. Even if you attach pick 26 you are asking the Knicks to pay 49 million for a player they can't use. You think you're going to diversify your offense sending out Bertans somewhere? It will cost you more than one pick to move him for something useful. Upthread it was suggested by hugepatsfan you could have to pay 3 firsts to unload him. And you're crying about losing Kleber and Powell? I have 3 picks > 1 pick + Kleber + Powell. I think I'm being nice to you. Knicks fans are ready to shoot me btw.

[Ell Curry]

I think a deal like this is easier to do after next season, but Houston strikes me as the team that should be looking for say a 1st and 2nd to take on Bertans (in exchange for Gordon or Wood) because they're rebuilding, miles away from contending for even the play-in and are out future picks from the Westbrook deal.

[patman66]

Bertans (3) --> Fournier (3)
Kleber (1) --> Noel (2)
Powell (1) --> Burks (2)

I have Fournier more versatile/useful to the Mavs, and Noel's rim protection as beneficial to the Mavs. I have Burks with Fournier helping diversify a Luka-centric offense because he also adds playmaking with Fournier. Mavs are a better team after the deal.

I have Bertans duplicative with Randle and Toppin as far as position. So the Knicks need to shave off the extra year of Noel and Burks here.

20 million bucks off Bertans 49 million marks him at 3 years 29 million. So he's a below MLE player the Knicks don't need, but they should value the 20 million cap relief for next season for something they do need.

Add pick 26 for the uncertainty in that vs. certainty Dallas diversifies the offense and adds rim protection.

Fourniers last year is a team option.

[Dom801e]

Would a S+T of Brunson work?
Something like Brunson to Ind
Bertans and Hield or Brogdon to LA
Westbrook to Dal

[psman2]

Would a S+T of Brunson work?
Something like Brunson to Ind
Bertans and Hield or Brogdon to LA
Westbrook to Dal

You don't use Brunson to turn Bertans into Westbrook. That is like chopping off you hand because you got a hangnail on one of your fingers.

Now if Brunson is 100% not resigning with the Mavs and walking to a team that doesn't need to give up value for him like Det then maybe you do something like this if you have no better options.

[shrink]

I think Luka is special and DAL will be a Top Team for a while, which to me, makes that future 1st probably like #25. I don’t think that pick alone is enough to move off Bertans deal, and I doubt DAL would want to pay more than that.

[BeiBeau]

Yeah I think I started this based of a conversation with chuck and I think the play is to hold Bertans and hope he gets his shot back. This was his 6th year. He shot something like 40 percent in his first 5 years. And then 36% in Dallas and 37 percent in the playoffs. If that keeps going back up he will be more playable and easier to move, especially as his contract gets shorter.

[Dom801e]

Would a S+T of Brunson work?
Something like Brunson to Ind
Bertans and Hield or Brogdon to LA
Westbrook to Dal

You don't use Brunson to turn Bertans into Westbrook. That is like chopping off you hand because you got a hangnail on one of your fingers.

Now if Brunson is 100% not resigning with the Mavs and walking to a team that doesn't need to give up value for him like Det then maybe you do something like this if you have no better options.

I don’t think Brunson is a great fit long term in Dal so was trying to see if this would work for all teams.

[psman2]

Would a S+T of Brunson work?
Something like Brunson to Ind
Bertans and Hield or Brogdon to LA
Westbrook to Dal

You don't use Brunson to turn Bertans into Westbrook. That is like chopping off you hand because you got a hangnail on one of your fingers.

Now if Brunson is 100% not resigning with the Mavs and walking to a team that doesn't need to give up value for him like Det then maybe you do something like this if you have no better options.

I don’t think Brunson is a great fit long term in Dal so was trying to see if this would work for all teams.

I can understand that angle especially with him likely to get the contract he is about to land. But you simply cannot take a talent hit like this with a star like Luka wanting to win now, even if it might be what is best for the team in the long run. It would be nice to reset the balance sheet and take a red shirt year, but teams never really do it.

[JMAC3]

I wouldn't give up more than 1 first to dump him. I mean sure if you want to toss in a second, but honestly seconds are pretty meh in trades.

Olynck, Richaun Holmes, Fournier, Eric Gordon, Derrick Rose, McDermott are all guys I think you can use Bertans plus a package of first, second get you into convo. Maybe you have to toss in Josh Green too in a few of these, but I think the first is valuable to a lot of these teams.

[Mavrelous]

McDermott got 40/3 last off season, Bertans isn't worth MLE money? I'd gladly dump him for #26, but anything more isn't realistic.

[tester551]

You might be able to negotiate a Tobis Harris trade....

[Ducklett]

Terrence Ross for Bertans works out money wise. What do you think is the pick difference? Do the Magic sign on for 3 years of bad money?

[Mike lorenzo]

NOP I could use Bertans together with Zion, right?

Graham/Green to Wizards

Bertans to NOP

KCP/Hernangomez to Mavs...

with #26 to Wizards or NOP..?