Woj: Quin plans on stepping down

[vryadli]

With that said, I think a lot of people are massively underestimating Quin's offensive coaching. Donovan Mitchell - fallen off Mike Conley - Royce O'Neale - Bojan - Rudy is not the starting lineup of a team you would suspect is the best offense in the league two years in a row.t.

I would differ between

- statistically "best offense" which produced big scores against weak or relatively disinterested teams in regular season but crumble when opposite team tighten their defenses ( hence -crumble in PO)

and

- really good offense - robust, diversified, flexible, which can be adjusted to whatever other contenders throw on it when it really matters.

The record of current Jazz on loosing big and even huge leads, especially when it matters most, is something quite special

The thing is... our offense doesn't crumble in the playoffs. It's our defense that crumbles.

Some of its weaknesses are exposed but the offense has not been the culprit of our playoff woes. Overall we've been getting good shots in every single playoff series going back to the Houston series.

Isn't that pretty amazing feat to lose 15-20 point lead if your offense is working?

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I would differ between

- statistically "best offense" which produced big scores against weak or relatively disinterested teams in regular season but crumble when opposite team tighten their defenses ( hence -crumble in PO)

and

- really good offense - robust, diversified, flexible, which can be adjusted to whatever other contenders throw on it when it really matters.

The record of current Jazz on loosing big and even huge leads, especially when it matters most, is something quite special

The thing is... our offense doesn't crumble in the playoffs. It's our defense that crumbles.

Some of its weaknesses are exposed but the offense has not been the culprit of our playoff woes. Overall we've been getting good shots in every single playoff series going back to the Houston series.

Isn't that pretty amazing feat to lose 15-20 point lead if your offense is working?

Depends on why you are losing the big leads. Example - in this year's playoffs the Jazz shot 27% from 3. It's really easy to lose big leads when your shots don't fall and your opponent bombs you out of the building on the other end.

We definitely need more and better offensive creators(rather than finishers), but IMO Quin's offensive schemes and coaching were very low on the list of culprits for those collapses. Now, his defensive focus and coaching are a completely different story. He has a lot to answer for there IMO.

[vryadli]

The thing is... our offense doesn't crumble in the playoffs. It's our defense that crumbles.

Some of its weaknesses are exposed but the offense has not been the culprit of our playoff woes. Overall we've been getting good shots in every single playoff series going back to the Houston series.

Isn't that pretty amazing feat to lose 15-20 point lead if your offense is working?

Depends on why you are losing the big leads. Example - in this year's playoffs the Jazz shot 27% from 3. It's really easy to lose big leads when your shots don't fall and your opponent bombs you out of the building on the other end.

We definitely need more and better offensive creators(rather than finishers), but IMO Quin's offensive schemes and coaching were very low on the list of culprits for those collapses. Now, his defensive focus and coaching are a completely different story. He has a lot to answer for there IMO.

Isn't steady and cosistent cases "when your shots don't fall" when it matters most! the definition of fragile and unsustainable offense?

I think that defense is not so much different as same but more extreme case of this rigid and unsustainable approaches.

Actually Q results reminds me strongly about story of other highly intelligent coach - Rick Pitino in Boston. I live at Boston at the time, (was big fan of Pierce though Jazz was my #1 team then) and really liked coach P. from his start. The start was very promising, but in general Celtics went downhill steadily.

[dr0welf]

Actually, David Locke was going over numbers on one of his recent podcasts about defense in the playoffs. On defense, the goal is to stop opponents from getting shots at the rim, or denying the rim. Utah's numbers for denying shots at the rim was really good. The problem is the teams winning in the playoffs have players that can get points from multiple places on the court and are not dependent on getting to the rim. Our offense is designed to get shots at the rim or 3pt shots. In the playoffs we were not getting shots at the rim to fall because defenses scheme to stop it. This requires either 3pt shooters to make their shots (which ours didn't for 2 years in a row) or to be better then average in the mid range (which we are not that good at).

I would say based on that analysis our perimeter defense was porous and our offense sucked. I believe the perimeter players exert more energy then they are used to on the defensive side so their legs give out on the offensive side. This causes a lot of missed shots. The key would be to expect players to play the high energy defense every night to help get their stamina built up for the playoffs.

Quin and his staff have been great at developing, but honestly adjusting on the fly is not their strength. Let's see what happens in this coaching change. I like Quin, but he would need an adjustment genius as an assistant to make it work deep in the playoffs.

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Isn't steady and cosistent cases "when your shots don't fall" when it matters most! the definition of fragile and unsustainable offense?

Not really. All you can hope for offensively as a coach is that your team create good shots. Then it's on them to hit them, especially when they have history of being good shooters. Variance happens and variance is part part of the game and part of this FO's teambuilding strategy. They decided to rely on shooters surrounding Gobert and Mitchell and I don't think it's the wrong approach. You need high variance when you don't have multiple high end offensive creators that can give you consistent offensive firepower on ball ).

BTW even we could have probably survived a bad shooting series... If we actually defended and didn't give a million open 3s to the likes of Maxi Kleber or a million wide open drives to the likes of Jalen Brunson.

[PharmD]

With that said, I think a lot of people are massively underestimating Quin's offensive coaching. Donovan Mitchell - fallen off Mike Conley - Royce O'Neale - Bojan - Rudy is not the starting lineup of a team you would suspect is the best offense in the league two years in a row.t.

I would differ between

- statistically "best offense" which produced big scores against weak or relatively disinterested teams in regular season but crumble when opposite team tighten their defenses ( hence -crumble in PO)

and

- really good offense - robust, diversified, flexible, which can be adjusted to whatever other contenders throw on it when it really matters.

The record of current Jazz on loosing big and even huge leads, especially when it matters most, is something quite special

The thing is... our offense doesn't crumble in the playoffs. It's our defense that crumbles.

Some of its weaknesses are exposed but the offense has not been the culprit of our playoff woes. Overall we've been getting good shots in every single playoff series going back to the Houston series.

Dallas series Drtg was 115.6 vs 110.5 regular season

Dallas series Ortg was 109.3 vs 116.7 regular season

They both got 5-6 points worse

[Crunch 99]

I think we have our next coach on staff: Alex Jensen. Other alternative is Johnnie Bryant.

I really like Alex Jensen, but if it is true that the Jazz are considering going forward with Mitchell and without Gobert, Jensen's chances might be hurt a bit considering he has been specializing in Gobert/big man development. The chances for Johnny Bryant, the DM developer, might slightly improve by comparison, though Bryant hasn't yet been a lead assistant head coach like Jensen has been.

[Crunch 99]

6/8/22 Jazz Receive Permission To Interview Johnnie Bryant, Charles Lee, Will Hardy, Joe Mazzulla. Jazz will also interview Alex Jensen and Terry Stotts.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267292/Jazz-Receive-Permission-To-Interview-Johnnie-Bryant-Charles-Lee-Will-Hardy-Joe-Mazzulla

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