We finna get Kyrie-d

[danfantastk32]

Because people are programmed by what they see and hear on television. On Monday, when Fox and ESPN are talking about the opt-in and trade scenario, no one here will talk about Kyrie taking 6 mill anymore.

But not you. Must feel nice.

So tell me bright guy...where's the other $30+ mil coming from? Sounds to me like when Kyrie opts in, we won't be talking about Kyrie being a Laker anymore. Not to mention....F-that. If he wants to come for $6, and we can kick the tires for a season, fine. No way in hell should we take Kyrie once he's opted in.

[Eric Bieniemy]

Because people are programmed by what they see and hear on television. On Monday, when Fox and ESPN are talking about the opt-in and trade scenario, no one here will talk about Kyrie taking 6 mill anymore.

But not you. Must feel nice.

So tell me bright guy...where's the other $30+ mil coming from? Sounds to me like when Kyrie opts in, we won't be talking about Kyrie being a Laker anymore. Not to mention....F-that. If he wants to come for $6, and we can kick the tires for a season, fine. No way in hell should we take Kyrie once he's opted in.

I'm not immune, no.

In this particular instance though there seem to be several people, including yourself, who are either tone deaf or just don't get it. You're showing yourself to have blindspots in this discussion. Try a little humility, and you may just learn something.

[danfantastk32]

Because people are programmed by what they see and hear on television. On Monday, when Fox and ESPN are talking about the opt-in and trade scenario, no one here will talk about Kyrie taking 6 mill anymore.

But not you. Must feel nice.

So tell me bright guy...where's the other $30+ mil coming from? Sounds to me like when Kyrie opts in, we won't be talking about Kyrie being a Laker anymore. Not to mention....F-that. If he wants to come for $6, and we can kick the tires for a season, fine. No way in hell should we take Kyrie once he's opted in.

I'm not immune, no.

In this particular instance though there seem to be several people, including yourself, who are either tone deaf or just don't get it. You're showing yourself to have blindspots in this discussion. Try a little humility, and you may just learn something.

So you got an answer for the $30mil we gotta come up with, or were you just trying to get a rise outa me all along? If you don't have an answer for the $30 mil, then I guess I won't be learning anything, and you were just a waste of time.

[Eric Bieniemy]

But not you. Must feel nice.

So tell me bright guy...where's the other $30+ mil coming from? Sounds to me like when Kyrie opts in, we won't be talking about Kyrie being a Laker anymore. Not to mention....F-that. If he wants to come for $6, and we can kick the tires for a season, fine. No way in hell should we take Kyrie once he's opted in.

I'm not immune, no.

In this particular instance though there seem to be several people, including yourself, who are either tone deaf or just don't get it. You're showing yourself to have blindspots in this discussion. Try a little humility, and you may just learn something.

So you got an answer for the $30mil we gotta come up with, or were you just trying to get a rise outa me all along? If you don't have an answer for the $30 mil, then I guess I won't be learning anything, and you were just a waste of time.

The Nets and Irving mutually agree to a divorce, Kyrie opts in to a one year deal for 37 mill, the Nets (working with Irving) trade him for anything they can get.

The Lakers trade Westbrook to "a team" then trade the returning players to the Nets for Irving.

Charlotte and Indiana, thus far, have been rumored to want Westbrook's expiring deal to come off more lengthy deals.

Before a trade is executed, if Durant chooses to stay with the Nets based on the return of the trade, the Nets take on the extra salary to field a more competitive roster.

The most popular and plausible scenario has Charlotte taking on Westbrook for Hayward, Oubre, and Plumlee. That means if Durant is satisfied with a roster of Ben Simmons, Gordon Hayward, Joe Harris, and Seth Curry, the Nets take that package and run.

So, there is no mystery 30 million. The Lakers would not sign him outright unless the Nets decide they don't want a player like Hayward. This scenario is possible, but most teams want an asset as opposed to simply letting a player walk for nothing.

We shall see how it all unfolds.

[DanishLakerFan]

I hate Kyrie. The guy literally thinks the Earth is flat. He's anti-vax and likes to burn sage at the arena. **** that ****.

Sounds like a you problem. Life is too short to hate a man you've never met. Go outside and ride a bike to the beach.

I'll burn some sage.

[MrDollarBills]

Nets fan here. I seriously don't know why you guys want him, but if we can do a three team sign and trade to flip Kyrie to you guys, Westbrook to another team that can absorb bad salary and we get serviceable players from team #3 I'm all in on helping you guys to get Kyrie. Most likely you guys will have to route a 1st rounder to the team that takes on Westbrook.

But be warned. Kyrie cannot be trusted and he seems to be getting more crazier and erratic as things play out. He is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder and probably other related mental health issues. He is completely out of touch with reality and the people around him are enablers, including his stepmother that is now functioning as his agent who had the gall to demand a 5 year max contract after everything that Irving had done. This is the same stepmother that was spewing antivax views to Rolling Stone magazine last year in what was an unflattering piece on just how far gone Kyrie is.

For you guys sake, I hope LeBron can keep him in line but this version of Kyrie is worse than the guy he played with in Cleveland.

[Eric Bieniemy]

Nets fan here. I seriously don't know why you guys want him, but if we can do a three team sign and trade to flip Kyrie to you guys, Westbrook to another team that can absorb bad salary and we get serviceable players from team #3 I'm all in on helping you guys to get Kyrie. Most likely you guys will have to route a 1st rounder to the team that takes on Westbrook.

But be warned. Kyrie cannot be trusted and he seems to be getting more crazier and erratic as things play out. He is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder and probably other related mental health issues. He is completely out of touch with reality and the people around him are enablers, including his stepmother that is now functioning as his agent who had the gall to demand a 5 year max contract after everything that Irving had done. This is the same stepmother that was spewing antivax views to Rolling Stone magazine last year in what was an unflattering piece on just how far gone Kyrie is.

For you guys sake, I hope LeBron can keep him in line but this version of Kyrie is worse than the guy he played with in Cleveland.

The Lakers are winning just to rid themselves of Westbrook. Losing Westbrook is addition by subtraction. I would've sent him home after the trade deadline if I were in charge.

[One Love]

This sounds like another "Use the Lakers as Leverage Deals" to get $$$... We are the ONLY team that would max him out...

If he exercises his option, Nets can trade him anywhere Nets want... Nets control everything...

His ONLY leverage is to not sign the option than the Nets may lose him for nothing...

Does he have the balls to do that though... He just sat out 50% of Nets games to prove a point...

We will know Wednesday Night....

[MrDollarBills]

Nets fan here. I seriously don't know why you guys want him, but if we can do a three team sign and trade to flip Kyrie to you guys, Westbrook to another team that can absorb bad salary and we get serviceable players from team #3 I'm all in on helping you guys to get Kyrie. Most likely you guys will have to route a 1st rounder to the team that takes on Westbrook.

But be warned. Kyrie cannot be trusted and he seems to be getting more crazier and erratic as things play out. He is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder and probably other related mental health issues. He is completely out of touch with reality and the people around him are enablers, including his stepmother that is now functioning as his agent who had the gall to demand a 5 year max contract after everything that Irving had done. This is the same stepmother that was spewing antivax views to Rolling Stone magazine last year in what was an unflattering piece on just how far gone Kyrie is.

For you guys sake, I hope LeBron can keep him in line but this version of Kyrie is worse than the guy he played with in Cleveland.

The Lakers are winning just to rid themselves of Westbrook. Losing Westbrook is addition by subtraction. I would've sent him home after the trade deadline if I were in charge.

I totally get it, but christ...I would not wish Kyrie on anyone dude. The dude has zero qualms about destroying anything that he touches.

[Eric Bieniemy]

Nets fan here. I seriously don't know why you guys want him, but if we can do a three team sign and trade to flip Kyrie to you guys, Westbrook to another team that can absorb bad salary and we get serviceable players from team #3 I'm all in on helping you guys to get Kyrie. Most likely you guys will have to route a 1st rounder to the team that takes on Westbrook.

But be warned. Kyrie cannot be trusted and he seems to be getting more crazier and erratic as things play out. He is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder and probably other related mental health issues. He is completely out of touch with reality and the people around him are enablers, including his stepmother that is now functioning as his agent who had the gall to demand a 5 year max contract after everything that Irving had done. This is the same stepmother that was spewing antivax views to Rolling Stone magazine last year in what was an unflattering piece on just how far gone Kyrie is.

For you guys sake, I hope LeBron can keep him in line but this version of Kyrie is worse than the guy he played with in Cleveland.

The Lakers are winning just to rid themselves of Westbrook. Losing Westbrook is addition by subtraction. I would've sent him home after the trade deadline if I were in charge.

I totally get it, but christ...I would not wish Kyrie on anyone dude. The dude has zero qualms about destroying anything that he touches.

What has he done? It seems people are being quite hyperbolic when describing him. As far I know, the worst I've heard is him taking a mental health leave a year ago. I think that's weak as hell, but what else.

[ROballer]

**** Kyrie.

We have a gazillion cap-space next summer in a way more enticing FA class. If Lebron starts bitching, **** him too.
He's ancient as it is, clean slate next year and thats it.

I don't want Kyrie on the board for a 5 year deal just to appease Lebron, when he didn't even sign an extension and could bolt next summer anyway. Kyrie alone isn't even enough for us to be a legit contender, we've got ways to go to have a punchers chance against GSW. I don't think we're even better than Dallas if Brunson stays.

We signed guys for years with 2023 in mind. Short term deals only. We didn't trade Westbrook and added longterm salaries precisely because of the 2023 plan.
You can't **** up years of plans because of Kyrie Irving out of all people, especially when Lebron isn't on the books and there's a chance he bolts.

[Eric Bieniemy]

**** Kyrie.

We have a gazillion cap-space next summer in a way more enticing FA class. If Lebron starts bitching, **** him too.
He's ancient as it is, clean slate next year and thats it.

I don't want Kyrie on the board for a 5 year deal just to appease Lebron, when he didn't even sign an extension and could bolt next summer anyway. Kyrie alone isn't even enough for us to be a legit contender, we've got ways to go to have a punchers chance against GSW. I don't think we're even better than Dallas if Brunson stays.

We signed guys for years with 2023 in mind. Short term deals only. We didn't trade Westbrook and added longterm salaries precisely because of the 2023 plan.
You can't **** up years of plans because of Kyrie Irving out of all people, especially when Lebron isn't on the books and there's a chance he bolts.

What's the 2023 plan?

[ROballer]

We only have Anthony Davis and his 40 mil on the books after next year.

THT has a PO of 11 mil but he'll probably be traded by then to clear more room.

Plan was always to reload and retool in 2023. We've basically been going with Lebron/Davis(and Westbrook added last year, 1-2 role players like Kuzma and KCP before that) and all minimums for 3 years.
We're doing it again for next season, but this isn't sustainable.

Don't ask me who's being targeted because it's still early. But the plans has always been to be players in the FA sweepstakes of next year.

[SK21209]

We only have Anthony Davis and his 40 mil on the books after next year.

THT has a PO of 11 mil but he'll probably be traded by then to clear more room.

Plan was always to reload and retool in 2023. We've basically been going with Lebron/Davis(and Westbrook added last year, 1-2 role players like Kuzma and KCP before that) and all minimums for 3 years.
We're doing it again for next season, but this isn't sustainable.

Don't ask me who's being targeted because it's still early. But the plans has always been to be players in the FA sweepstakes of next year.

Jokic and Embiid are the only guys clearly better than Kyrie that are currently scheduled to be free agents in 2023 and both are widely expected to stay where they are.

[ROballer]

It's not only the on court value and production we're talking about when it comes to Kyrie, is it?

The Nets fan summed it up perfectly. Pay him up for 5 years and then wait and up for his next crazy tantrum. Then what? We're going to be held hostage because nobody will want that contract on their books.

There's a reason the Nets don't want to pay him up for 5 years. That's how he became available in the first place.
And the fact that we're basically alone in wanting him in a trade(allegedly) should raise some question marks as well.

We have the cap-space next summer, bird rights don't matter here. Opt out, behave...take the 6 mil MLE and we'll pay you next summer.

After all the **** you pulled the past few years, culminating with not being available for 70% of last season. You still want us to give up assets AND pay up a full 5 years max RIGHT NOW? Gtfo...

[Showtime:Part2]

Ad and Russ and picks for kd and kyrie. Or ship Russ and picks to 3rd team who sends serviceable players to nets while we get kyrie. Ad is in steep decline already, we need to offload his lazy ass while we can

[SK21209]

I still think its very, very unlikely but imagine Kyrie does come for the taxpayer MLE and Charlotte is still interested in the Russ for Hayward/Oubre/Plumlee deal

Kyrie/Nunn
Reaves/THT
LeBron/Oubre
Hayward/S. Johnson/Gabriel
AD/Plumlee

With some minimum signings to fill out the roster (Jevon Carter, Wes Matthews, Thomas Bryant, maybe Dwight and Melo back as end of the bench guys, etc.) I think that roster could have us right back in the thick of contention IMO. I think I'd want to keep at least one of Nunn and THT around as a hedge against Kyrie getting hurt/missing games.

[BEazy]

Nets fans seem to forget that Kyrie idolizes Kobe. Kyrie would be an idiot to mess up anything Lakers related. Kyrie and California culture will actually vibe IMO.

[Lakers24gm]

It's not only the on court value and production we're talking about when it comes to Kyrie, is it?

The Nets fan summed it up perfectly. Pay him up for 5 years and then wait and up for his next crazy tantrum. Then what? We're going to be held hostage because nobody will want that contract on their books.

There's a reason the Nets don't want to pay him up for 5 years. That's how he became available in the first place.
And the fact that we're basically alone in wanting him in a trade(allegedly) should raise some question marks as well.

We have the cap-space next summer, bird rights don't matter here. Opt out, behave...take the 6 mil MLE and we'll pay you next summer.

After all the **** you pulled the past few years, culminating with not being available for 70% of last season. You still want us to give up assets AND pay up a full 5 years max RIGHT NOW? Gtfo...

Doesnt this speak to how bad it must be with Russ? Your willing to deal with all Kyrie BS over Russ because they know deep down there is no way they can run it back.

[TylersLakers]

I'm not immune, no.

In this particular instance though there seem to be several people, including yourself, who are either tone deaf or just don't get it. You're showing yourself to have blindspots in this discussion. Try a little humility, and you may just learn something.

So you got an answer for the $30mil we gotta come up with, or were you just trying to get a rise outa me all along? If you don't have an answer for the $30 mil, then I guess I won't be learning anything, and you were just a waste of time.

The Nets and Irving mutually agree to a divorce, Kyrie opts in to a one year deal for 37 mill, the Nets (working with Irving) trade him for anything they can get.

The Lakers trade Westbrook to "a team" then trade the returning players to the Nets for Irving.

Charlotte and Indiana, thus far, have been rumored to want Westbrook's expiring deal to come off more lengthy deals.

Before a trade is executed, if Durant chooses to stay with the Nets based on the return of the trade, the Nets take on the extra salary to field a more competitive roster.

The most popular and plausible scenario has Charlotte taking on Westbrook for Hayward, Oubre, and Plumlee. That means if Durant is satisfied with a roster of Ben Simmons, Gordon Hayward, Joe Harris, and Seth Curry, the Nets take that package and run.

So, there is no mystery 30 million. The Lakers would not sign him outright unless the Nets decide they don't want a player like Hayward. This scenario is possible, but most teams want an asset as opposed to simply letting a player walk for nothing.

We shall see how it all unfolds.

This is what's going to happen. There's a couple scenarios and it'll all happen on Thursday most likely before the opt-in deadline.

1) Kyrie Wins

- Brooklyn comes to him and says "What's your final decision?" He says, "I'm opting out into free agency."

- If that happens, Brooklyn is not going to let him walk for nothing. They'll find a team within the next couple days that will take on Westbrook and give Brooklyn players back. If they can't find a team, they'll be forced to take Westbrook and a 1st round pick. They're NOT going to let him walk for nothing out of spite and hard feelings. Westbrook at the very least is a $47M expiring contract. He's not a good basketball player. He's an asset that the Nets could theoretically tell to stay home and then trade him at the deadline.

2) Brooklyn Wins

- Brooklyn comes to Kyrie and says "Okay, what are you doing? Because we're not trading you anywhere." Kyrie goes "Uh, okay. Boy, I don't want to lose $30M. I'll opt-in."

- Brooklyn grins ear to ear, runs out of the room and high five each other knowing they don't have to take on Westbrook and they can flip Kyrie halfway through the season for anyone with a pulse and some picks once Kyrie rehabilitates himself and plays more basketball games.

3) Kyrie Opts Out, Becomes Free Agent

- I don't see this happening on so many levels. 1) Kyrie ain't losing $30M. 2) The Nets aren't letting him walk for nothing. 3) The Lakers don't want to lose their MLE by signing him. They want to acquire him while shedding Westbrook and THEN use the MLE on other players to surround Kyrie/LeBron/Davis.

All in all, he's probably coming here. Westbrook is probably going to Charlotte, OKC or Indiana. Players who are useful will go to Brooklyn. Some examples:

Charlotte: Hayward, Rozier, picks
OKC: Williams, Favors, Green, Muscala, picks
Indiana: Brogdon, Hield, picks

Let's see what happens.