Who should be the starting point guard?

basketballRob · Post #21 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:03 pm

Knightro wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Suggs needs to play PG, or we should trade him. He was the #1 PG in his class and should go to a team that wants to train him at that position.

This seems... severe? Silly?

Suggs is under contract for cheap for two more seasons. There's no reason to trade him whatsoever.

If I were him, I'd ask for a trade

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Post #22 » by **Knightro** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:08 pm

basketballRob wrote:If I were him, I'd ask for a trade

And the Magic can and would just say no.

You seem to be trying to make this into a thing and it's not.

Ralof · Post #23 » by **Ralof** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:10 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Knightro wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Suggs needs to play PG, or we should trade him. He was the #1 PG in his class and should go to a team that wants to train him at that position.

This seems... severe? Silly?

Suggs is under contract for cheap for two more seasons. There's no reason to trade him whatsoever.
If I were him, I'd ask for a trade

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100% agree on this,we don't deserve him,go Jalen and be free to spread your wings elsewhere 8-)

basketballRob · Post #24 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:19 pm

It's a reason why draftees don't want to come here. Bamba didn't want to come here because we had centers. As far as we know, Suggs didn't want to come here either because we had PGs. Even Greg Anthony called out the Magic for doing this.

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Ralof · Post #25 » by **Ralof** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:31 pm

basketballRob wrote:It's a reason why draftees don't want to come here. Bamba didn't want to come here because we had centers. As far as we know, Suggs didn't want to come here either because we had PGs. Even Greg Anthony called out the Magic for doing this.

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Yeah we should give the franchise Keys to a guy Who does not even know where he Is on the floor or to another One Who handles the ball on his feet,Just beacause they are young

Imagine we drafted Jabari,0%from the floor but"Hey he Is #1 pick,"let's treat him like a prince"

VFX · Post #26 » by **VFX** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:34 pm

basketballRob wrote:It's a reason why draftees don't want to come here. Bamba didn't want to come here because we had centers. As far as we know, Suggs didn't want to come here either because we had PGs. Even Greg Anthony called out the Magic for doing this.

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Who cares what Greg Anthony thinks. There isn’t a team where Cole would be a starter. Cole gets ample minutes in Orlando.

Post #27 » by **Knightro** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:39 pm

basketballRob wrote:It's a reason why draftees don't want to come here. Bamba didn't want to come here because we had centers. As far as we know, Suggs didn't want to come here either because we had PGs. Even Greg Anthony called out the Magic for doing this.

This is not a thing :lol:

basketballRob · Post #28 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:41 pm

Ralof wrote:
basketballRob wrote:It's a reason why draftees don't want to come here. Bamba didn't want to come here because we had centers. As far as we know, Suggs didn't want to come here either because we had PGs. Even Greg Anthony called out the Magic for doing this.

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Yeah we should give the franchise Keys to a guy Who does not even know where he Is on the floor or to another One Who handles the ball on his feet,Just beacause they are young

Imagine we drafted Jabari,0%from the floor but"Hey he Is #1 pick,"let's treat him like a prince"

You're right. We should probably not even play young players until they're on their second contract.

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Post #29 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:41 pm

basketballRob wrote:Suggs needs to play PG, or we should trade him. He was the #1 PG in his class and should go to a team that wants to train him at that position.

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I'd sign off on this move immediately. I don't think we have a good case to bench Fultz and it would send the wrong message but I do think getting Suggs reps at PG is best long-term. That said, I do think he has a completely viable path as a starting SG and I think he is our best SG so starting there makes more sense right now. Either way he should start.

basketballRob · Post #30 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:45 pm

Knightro wrote:
basketballRob wrote:It's a reason why draftees don't want to come here. Bamba didn't want to come here because we had centers. As far as we know, Suggs didn't want to come here either because we had PGs. Even Greg Anthony called out the Magic for doing this.

This is not a thing

People keep trying to pencil him in as a SG when his best position and the one he wants to play is PG. One of the main reasons he went to Gonzaga was that they were willing to let him play PG. He has a 6'6" wingspan, and that's never going to be big enough to be a top tier SG.

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Ralof · Post #31 » by **Ralof** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:58 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Knightro wrote:
basketballRob wrote:It's a reason why draftees don't want to come here. Bamba didn't want to come here because we had centers. As far as we know, Suggs didn't want to come here either because we had PGs. Even Greg Anthony called out the Magic for doing this.

He has a 6'6" wingspan, and that's never going to be big enough to be a top tier SG.

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#1 basketball obsession i Will never understand:wingspan and height.

I am surely not a Suggs fan(eufemism)buy if he improves his offensive skills why he should not play SG??

Post #32 » by **Knightro** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:59 pm

basketballRob wrote:People keep trying to pencil him in as a SG when his best position and the one he wants to play is PG. One of the main reasons he went to Gonzaga was that they were willing to let him play PG. He has a 6'6" wingspan, and that's never going to be big enough to be a top tier SG.

None of that matters.

He's under contract for 2 (and really 3 more years) at the very minimum and no player a team actually wants to keep doesn't sign a new contract extension with that team coming off their rookie deal.

If Suggs keeps progressing, he'll be here a long time.

Ralof · Post #33 » by **Ralof** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:03 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Ralof wrote:
basketballRob wrote:It's a reason why draftees don't want to come here. Bamba didn't want to come here because we had centers. As far as we know, Suggs didn't want to come here either because we had PGs. Even Greg Anthony called out the Magic for doing this.

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Yeah we should give the franchise Keys to a guy Who does not even know where he Is on the floor or to another One Who handles the ball on his feet,Just beacause they are young

Imagine we drafted Jabari,0%from the floor but"Hey he Is #1 pick,"let's treat him like a prince"
You're right. We should probably not even play young players until they're on their second contract.

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That never happened and no One would Say to do that.

I do not think there Is someone on this Planet Who says Banchero or Wagner play too many minutes.

Residual-Heat · Post #34 » by **Residual-Heat** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:37 pm

I love Suggs as much as anyone BUT i dont see how he can play full time PG right now considering his ball handling isnt very good. Need more from Franz and Paolo in terms of ball handling. Paolo still gets stripped way too much. Franz has improved a lot this season but we saw what happened when he was the primary ball handler at the beginning of the season. They all need to improve, and one day it might be possible for Suggs to be fulltime starting PG. I dont mind if we start Suggs at PG for the rest of this season but thats mainly due to draft odds and development, not to win games.

Ideally he would be starting SG next season alongside a PG that can shoot while playing back up PG role as well. Or just a guard that comes off the bench and gives you minutes at both spots, either way he needs to play 30+mpg.

fendilim · Post #35 » by **fendilim** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:55 pm

Marcus Smart doesnt have good handles either.

Do we really need a good ball handler when majority of the time, Paolo, Franz and whoever we draft this year will likely have majority of the ball? Suggs will be on the court to defend the elite perimeter player of the opposing team and shoot it from 3.

basketballRob · Post #36 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:09 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:I love Suggs as much as anyone BUT i dont see how he can play full time PG right now considering his ball handling isnt very good. Need more from Franz and Paolo in terms of ball handling. Paolo still gets stripped way too much. Franz has improved a lot this season but we saw what happened when he was the primary ball handler at the beginning of the season. They all need to improve, and one day it might be possible for Suggs to be fulltime starting PG. I dont mind if we start Suggs at PG for the rest of this season but thats mainly due to draft odds and development, not to win games.

Ideally he would be starting SG next season alongside a PG that can shoot while playing back up PG role as well. Or just a guard that comes off the bench and gives you minutes at both spots, either way he needs to play 30+mpg.

We might not win a championship this season if Suggs plays PG.

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TheChaser · Post #37 » by **TheChaser** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:11 pm

This team started winning when Fultz came back from that toe injury…just saying

TheChaser · Post #38 » by **TheChaser** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:12 pm

TheChaser wrote:This team started winning when Fultz came back from that toe injury…just saying

And we had a hell of a hole to try and climb out of with a Rookie and a sophomore as our focal points.

VFX · Post #39 » by **VFX** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:22 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:
Ideally he would be starting SG next season alongside a PG that can shoot while playing back up PG role as well. Or just a guard that comes off the bench and gives you minutes at both spots, either way he needs to play 30+mpg.

This whole thread/ argument comes down to the fact that Fultz sucks with the future core. The OP dislikes Suggs because he isn’t a volume shooter at SG in his second season.

This might come as a shock to the rest of Orlando’s board, but shooting guards don’t need to be volume scorers from 3 to be efficient in the nba. Point guards, on the other hand, DO if they aren’t getting to the line OR racking up high assist numbers.

You can’t be **** at all 3 and have your main feature be scoring in the most one dimensional way imaginable.

Fultz and Suggs don’t work as a back court combo. That’s why Suggs doesn’t start and the Cole/Suggs back court is an infinitely better tandem. Suggs closes out games and rightfully so.

The answer to this stupid thread is that Fultz is the starter for the rest of the season. Why? Because where else would Fultz be? He’s not coming off the bench at $17m and he doesn’t fit next to the best defender on the team. Mosley has to configure his lineups because of his shortcomings.

Audi · Post #40 » by **Audi** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:57 pm

Regarding Fultz's assist numbers - what's a realistic APG you would expect from a PG who's top options are a rookie and sophomore?

Who should be the starting pg?