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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#21 » by mksp » Sun May 14, 2023 10:42 pm

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Bum Adebayo wrote:We won't fix this mess of being around so many career losers (Doc, Embiid, Harden, Harris) in just one year, we just need to rebuild, Embiid is the first one that has to go because he is the player that can fetch the best return with a considerable margin. Enough of retooling, there is no quick fix, with Embiid you just need a better player around him because he is just not that guy, and he has to be willing to be a 30-32 MPG guy that focuses on defense and makes catch and shoot midrange and the occasional 3pt shot to provide some spacing, the offense can't run through him, unless there is an easy matchup ready to be exploited.


Ugh, it's all the trolls responding, but hey...I'll actually take this one because it's thought out.
My question for you is this...Who exactly are we supposed to run the offense through on this roster? Tyrese Maxey for all the good that he does can not be counted on to do that. James Harden has no lift or quickness anymore and is simply too inconsistent to take on that role at his age. I guess you hope that Maxey evolves into that type of player? It's puzzling to me that your solution to this is to simply trade Embiid and rebuild. You have Harden who is putting on a good poker face, but is clearly going to opt in because NOBODY is going to pay him 30 million dollars much less a max deal. You have Tucker under contract and it's an impossible one to move should we decide to pull a youth movement. Tobias is still on the books and is probably more of a deadline deal type of move if at all.

I just disagree that trading Embiid is a logical option, but at least you added an opinion to this and gave reasons why. I don't see Embiid as the issue here. I think who we've put around him has been the problem. I think paying Tobias Harris 180 million dollars over keeping Jimmy Butler because Ben Simmons wanted the ball has been the problem. I think paying Al Horford a ridiculous amount of money to be a backup to Embiid has been the problem. I think we made the wrong trade when we finally did move Ben Simmons. Getting James Harden was a decent consolation prize to an otherwise disastrous situation, but Harden looked past his prime prior to even coming here. It was expect the worst and hope for the best with him. I think trading Embiid is the final nail in the coffin of what once was The Process. That's cool if you're ready to do that, but some of us see it differently.


Our offense is built to run through Joel Embiid, and he is in incapable of shouldering that load in the playoffs. As long as Embiid is on this team, and as long as he wants to be "the guy" offensively, we will get bounced early, because Embiid is not good enough to shoulder the offense in the playoffs. If he wants to step back and focus on defense and rebounding, then sure. We can design an offense around that.

Add in the fact that he's moody, disappears in big moments, and plays soft, well. It's an issue.

If Joel wants to get treated like a superstar and get paid like a superstar, he has to actually play like one when it matters.

Contrast him to Jalen Hurts, who last we watched made one crucial error, and proceeded to put the team on his back and willed them to a near win. Nobody is calling for him to be traded because he stepped up on the biggest stage. Meanwhile, Joel can't even get out of the 2nd round.
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Post#22 » by Jay555 » Sun May 14, 2023 10:44 pm

Depends on what the goal is.

If winning a chip is the goal, then blow it up.

I do not see a team centered around Embiid, Harden or Maxey would win a chip.

Embiid for all his greatness, came up small in the playoffs year in and year out. For guys his size, he has a **** FG%. This won't get you far in the playoffs.

Harden, I am his biggest fan. But let's face it. The mental part is what it is. It is beyond repair. He can give you 1-2 good games in a series but expecting him to consistently produce, it's not going to happen.

Maxey has a bigger heart than Embiid and Harden combined. But he's undersized and does not have many offensive bags that enable him to thrive as your franchise player. You take away the gravity of Harden/Embiid, it's going to be tough for him.

Let's be honest. Unless you are Steph type of talent, you build a team around a wing 9 out 10 times in today's NBA. I will wait and see what happens to Joker until I make my comment on center unable to win being the main guy.
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Post#23 » by ankle420breaker » Sun May 14, 2023 10:46 pm

I really think it's time to turn the page on Embiid and this isn't an emotional knee-jerk reaction. He's the current MVP with peak value. He'll inevitably start breaking down with age and frankly, he's no alpha beyond the regular season.

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Post#24 » by 76ciology » Sun May 14, 2023 10:46 pm

Trade Biid and Harden

2024 we have our own pick
2025 we have top 6 protected pick

Biid is not gonna be better than this
Harden is not gonna be better than this

Get brett brown to tank us again.
Get hinkie to be fall guy for our tanking.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#25 » by mksp » Sun May 14, 2023 10:47 pm

Beyond the fact they'll never win anything, on an entertainment level the Embiid-Harden product sucked to watch and I won't miss it.
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Post#26 » by KL78192020 » Sun May 14, 2023 10:48 pm

76ciology wrote:Trade Biid and Harden

2024 we have our own pick
2025 we have top 6 protected pick

Biid is not gonna be better than this
Harden is not gonna be better than this

Get brett brown to tank us again.
Get hinkie to be fall guy for our tanking.


Embiid is at peak value, who knows what injuries do to him post 30. Unless they can trade for another supertar quickly, which is what Harden was supposed to be but hasn't, time to move on.

If a team like the Blazers wins the lotto and they want to keep Lillard and win now, Embiid for the 1st pick/fillers.
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Post#27 » by DCasey91 » Sun May 14, 2023 10:48 pm

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Post#28 » by Bum Adebayo » Sun May 14, 2023 10:51 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:We won't fix this mess of being around so many career losers (Doc, Embiid, Harden, Harris) in just one year, we just need to rebuild, Embiid is the first one that has to go because he is the player that can fetch the best return with a considerable margin. Enough of retooling, there is no quick fix, with Embiid you just need a better player around him because he is just not that guy, and he has to be willing to be a 30-32 MPG guy that focuses on defense and makes catch and shoot midrange and the occasional 3pt shot to provide some spacing, the offense can't run through him, unless there is an easy matchup ready to be exploited.


Ugh, it's all the trolls responding, but hey...I'll actually take this one because it's thought out.
My question for you is this...Who exactly are we supposed to run the offense through on this roster? Tyrese Maxey for all the good that he does can not be counted on to do that. James Harden has no lift or quickness anymore and is simply too inconsistent to take on that role at his age. I guess you hope that Maxey evolves into that type of player? It's puzzling to me that your solution to this is to simply trade Embiid and rebuild. You have Harden who is putting on a good poker face, but is clearly going to opt in because NOBODY is going to pay him 30 million dollars much less a max deal. You have Tucker under contract and it's an impossible one to move should we decide to pull a youth movement. Tobias is still on the books and is probably more of a deadline deal type of move if at all.

I just disagree that trading Embiid is a logical option, but at least you added an opinion to this and gave reasons why. I don't see Embiid as the issue here. I think who we've put around him has been the problem. I think paying Tobias Harris 180 million dollars over keeping Jimmy Butler because Ben Simmons wanted the ball has been the problem. I think paying Al Horford a ridiculous amount of money to be a backup to Embiid has been the problem. I think we made the wrong trade when we finally did move Ben Simmons. Getting James Harden was a decent consolation prize to an otherwise disastrous situation, but Harden looked past his prime prior to even coming here. It was expect the worst and hope for the best with him. I think trading Embiid is the final nail in the coffin of what once was The Process. That's cool if you're ready to do that, but some of us see it differently.


That's the reason why you trade Embiid, because he is not good enough to be 1st option and he is starting to get in his 30's, father time will be here soon. As we don't have a proper 1st option on offense, there is no point in having Embiid in your team, you will be stuck in mediocrity because he is a legit good RS player so you will never have good picks, but also will be a consistent 2nd round fodder team.
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Post#29 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sun May 14, 2023 10:51 pm

mksp wrote:Beyond the fact they'll never win anything, on an entertainment level the Embiid-Harden product sucked to watch and I won't miss it.


Yeah, I agree with that. The hate we've received since the pairing has tripled in terms of who hates us. I was never a fan of the Harden trade, but it was also the absolutely last resort at that point. I called for Haliburton, got told I was stupid. Oh well.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#30 » by mksp » Sun May 14, 2023 10:51 pm

KL78192020 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Trade Biid and Harden

2024 we have our own pick
2025 we have top 6 protected pick

Biid is not gonna be better than this
Harden is not gonna be better than this

Get brett brown to tank us again.
Get hinkie to be fall guy for our tanking.


Embiid is at peak value, who knows what injuries do to him post 30. Unless they can trade for another supertar quickly, which is what Harden was supposed to be but hasn't, time to move on.

If a team like the Blazers wins the lotto and they want to keep Lillard and win now, Embiid for the 1st pick/fillers.


I'm not convinced Embiid gets us the #1 pick in this draft.
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Post#31 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun May 14, 2023 10:51 pm

I'm open to trading Embiid. But what is a realistic package? There aren't any young stars on the table. And I'm sure as hell not trading for Ja.

OKC, TOR, MIA? I don't see a lot of suitors.
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Post#32 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 10:53 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:We won't fix this mess of being around so many career losers (Doc, Embiid, Harden, Harris) in just one year, we just need to rebuild, Embiid is the first one that has to go because he is the player that can fetch the best return with a considerable margin. Enough of retooling, there is no quick fix, with Embiid you just need a better player around him because he is just not that guy, and he has to be willing to be a 30-32 MPG guy that focuses on defense and makes catch and shoot midrange and the occasional 3pt shot to provide some spacing, the offense can't run through him, unless there is an easy matchup ready to be exploited.


Ugh, it's all the trolls responding, but hey...I'll actually take this one because it's thought out.
My question for you is this...Who exactly are we supposed to run the offense through on this roster? Tyrese Maxey for all the good that he does can not be counted on to do that. James Harden has no lift or quickness anymore and is simply too inconsistent to take on that role at his age. I guess you hope that Maxey evolves into that type of player? It's puzzling to me that your solution to this is to simply trade Embiid and rebuild. You have Harden who is putting on a good poker face, but is clearly going to opt in because NOBODY is going to pay him 30 million dollars much less a max deal. You have Tucker under contract and it's an impossible one to move should we decide to pull a youth movement. Tobias is still on the books and is probably more of a deadline deal type of move if at all.

I just disagree that trading Embiid is a logical option, but at least you added an opinion to this and gave reasons why. I don't see Embiid as the issue here. I think who we've put around him has been the problem. I think paying Tobias Harris 180 million dollars over keeping Jimmy Butler because Ben Simmons wanted the ball has been the problem. I think paying Al Horford a ridiculous amount of money to be a backup to Embiid has been the problem. I think we made the wrong trade when we finally did move Ben Simmons. Getting James Harden was a decent consolation prize to an otherwise disastrous situation, but Harden looked past his prime prior to even coming here. It was expect the worst and hope for the best with him. I think trading Embiid is the final nail in the coffin of what once was The Process. That's cool if you're ready to do that, but some of us see it differently.


Harden will opt out. And if Morey doesn’t pay him Houston will. Let them.

Their last trade package is Maxey, Harris, and a 2029 1st. Who is that going to be the best package for? OG Anunoby? That excite you?

All the mistakes have finally buried them. The way forward is with the bounty received from a Joel trade.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#33 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 10:54 pm

mksp wrote:
KL78192020 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Trade Biid and Harden

2024 we have our own pick
2025 we have top 6 protected pick

Biid is not gonna be better than this
Harden is not gonna be better than this

Get brett brown to tank us again.
Get hinkie to be fall guy for our tanking.


Embiid is at peak value, who knows what injuries do to him post 30. Unless they can trade for another supertar quickly, which is what Harden was supposed to be but hasn't, time to move on.

If a team like the Blazers wins the lotto and they want to keep Lillard and win now, Embiid for the 1st pick/fillers.


I'm not convinced Embiid gets us the #1 pick in this draft.


I think Portland might be the only team dumb enough to trade #1 for Jo.
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Post#34 » by Bum Adebayo » Sun May 14, 2023 10:54 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:I'm open to trading Embiid. But what is a realistic package? There aren't any young stars on the table. And I'm sure as hell not trading for Ja.

OKC, TOR, MIA? I don't see a lot of suitors.


Julius Randle and picks, it's happening baby! Embiid is destined to end like Carmelo and play in the madison, I sense it!
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Post#35 » by 76ciology » Sun May 14, 2023 10:55 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:I'm open to trading Embiid. But what is a realistic package? There aren't any young stars on the table. And I'm sure as hell not trading for Ja.

OKC, TOR, MIA? I don't see a lot of suitors.


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Post#36 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun May 14, 2023 10:56 pm

76ciology wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:I'm open to trading Embiid. But what is a realistic package? There aren't any young stars on the table. And I'm sure as hell not trading for Ja.

OKC, TOR, MIA? I don't see a lot of suitors.


Blazers and Pels.


Blazers if they get the #1 pick.

NOP you talking Zion?
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Post#37 » by Bum Adebayo » Sun May 14, 2023 10:57 pm

the_process wrote:
mksp wrote:
KL78192020 wrote:
Embiid is at peak value, who knows what injuries do to him post 30. Unless they can trade for another supertar quickly, which is what Harden was supposed to be but hasn't, time to move on.

If a team like the Blazers wins the lotto and they want to keep Lillard and win now, Embiid for the 1st pick/fillers.


I'm not convinced Embiid gets us the #1 pick in this draft.


I think Portland might be the only team dumb enough to trade #1 for Jo.


Sometimes it kinda works, see Wiggins for Love. But yeah, Wembanyama is different it seems, that being said it has to scare them a little to draft another very tall big man with the n1 pick lol
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Post#38 » by Iverson Armband » Sun May 14, 2023 10:59 pm

the_process wrote:
mksp wrote:
KL78192020 wrote:
Embiid is at peak value, who knows what injuries do to him post 30. Unless they can trade for another supertar quickly, which is what Harden was supposed to be but hasn't, time to move on.

If a team like the Blazers wins the lotto and they want to keep Lillard and win now, Embiid for the 1st pick/fillers.


I'm not convinced Embiid gets us the #1 pick in this draft.


I think Portland might be the only team dumb enough to trade #1 for Jo.

Nah, I actually think JRoy says no.
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Post#39 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 11:00 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
the_process wrote:S&T Harden to Houston is easy. Add a 2nd and get the 47M (or whatever) TPE. Then use that to try and absorb a big salary (Beal?)


That's what I'm saying. I think we have to. May I ask how exactly this would be an easy thing to do? It doesn't seem easy. We aren't fooling anyone into giving us anything significant in return for him should we decide to sign and trade him. He's done as a big time player in this league.


It’s an easy thing to do. Houston wants to sign him outright supposedly? Give them a 2nd round pick and say hey let’s make it a S&T. Free 2nd for Houston, they still get Harden for nothing but cap space. Sixers then essentially trade a 2nd to get a massive TPE they can use to add a player (or players?) at a later time.
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Post#40 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sun May 14, 2023 11:01 pm

the_process wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:We won't fix this mess of being around so many career losers (Doc, Embiid, Harden, Harris) in just one year, we just need to rebuild, Embiid is the first one that has to go because he is the player that can fetch the best return with a considerable margin. Enough of retooling, there is no quick fix, with Embiid you just need a better player around him because he is just not that guy, and he has to be willing to be a 30-32 MPG guy that focuses on defense and makes catch and shoot midrange and the occasional 3pt shot to provide some spacing, the offense can't run through him, unless there is an easy matchup ready to be exploited.


Ugh, it's all the trolls responding, but hey...I'll actually take this one because it's thought out.
My question for you is this...Who exactly are we supposed to run the offense through on this roster? Tyrese Maxey for all the good that he does can not be counted on to do that. James Harden has no lift or quickness anymore and is simply too inconsistent to take on that role at his age. I guess you hope that Maxey evolves into that type of player? It's puzzling to me that your solution to this is to simply trade Embiid and rebuild. You have Harden who is putting on a good poker face, but is clearly going to opt in because NOBODY is going to pay him 30 million dollars much less a max deal. You have Tucker under contract and it's an impossible one to move should we decide to pull a youth movement. Tobias is still on the books and is probably more of a deadline deal type of move if at all.

I just disagree that trading Embiid is a logical option, but at least you added an opinion to this and gave reasons why. I don't see Embiid as the issue here. I think who we've put around him has been the problem. I think paying Tobias Harris 180 million dollars over keeping Jimmy Butler because Ben Simmons wanted the ball has been the problem. I think paying Al Horford a ridiculous amount of money to be a backup to Embiid has been the problem. I think we made the wrong trade when we finally did move Ben Simmons. Getting James Harden was a decent consolation prize to an otherwise disastrous situation, but Harden looked past his prime prior to even coming here. It was expect the worst and hope for the best with him. I think trading Embiid is the final nail in the coffin of what once was The Process. That's cool if you're ready to do that, but some of us see it differently.


Harden will opt out. And if Morey doesn’t pay him Houston will. Let them.

Their last trade package is Maxey, Harris, and a 2029 1st. Who is that going to be the best package for? OG Anunoby? That excite you?

All the mistakes have finally buried them. The way forward is with the bounty received from a Joel trade.


If we trade Joel doesn't that present the risk of becoming a treadmill team again? With the pieces acquired from him paired with what he still have we wouldn't be bad enough for the lottery, but we wouldn't be good enough to compete. Have you forgotten how maddening that was during the mid 2000s with Iverson?

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