Warriors EPM & other ratings for this season

[Impuniti]

Kinda showing why I hate metrics.. not only are they an incomplete story, people will cherry pick them to land on the answer they want, not use them to determine what actually is

Dray's impact remains at a high level, the only legitimate criticism is about his availability. There's no stand-alone statistic that quantifies help defense, and ORtg/DRtg is a stat that was designed for teams and was jerry-rigged, poorly, to look at individuals

Help defense isn't doing all much work this season when the defensive rating of the team is so much better with him off the floor so far into the season. The difference should not be this big. I feel like he'll get back to a better level but I don't see how he's played well so far outside of his 3 going in which isn't going to last for much longer.

He's been playing in a house-of-cards system that has Klay playing PF and being responsible for a lot of switches. Not unlike Oubre or Wiseman, a single bad player can cause the whole thing to crumble. Metrics cant handle that kind of complex thought

You're correct there, removing Klay from the lineups makes a massive difference. His defensive impact without him or Klay on the court is the same as him and no Klay. We should still expect better from Dray there.

I fully expect him to be better this season, but no way has he been great so far. Him probably coming in out of shape, then getting injured as he usually plays himself into shape played a role.

[CDM_Stats]

Help defense isn't doing all much work this season when the defensive rating of the team is so much better with him off the floor so far into the season. The difference should not be this big. I feel like he'll get back to a better level but I don't see how he's played well so far outside of his 3 going in which isn't going to last for much longer.

He's been playing in a house-of-cards system that has Klay playing PF and being responsible for a lot of switches. Not unlike Oubre or Wiseman, a single bad player can cause the whole thing to crumble. Metrics cant handle that kind of complex thought

You're correct there, removing Klay from the lineups makes a massive difference. His defensive impact without him or Klay on the court is the same as him and no Klay. We should still expect better from Dray there.

I fully expect him to be better this season, but no way has he been great so far. Him probably coming in out of shape, then getting injured as he usually plays himself into shape played a role.

I can agree with us expecting more from him, but I'd limit it to rebounding because his shot challenged % is not up enough to justify the drop-off in rebounding. Otherwise, the peripheral stats that typically point to decline/improvement have stayed the same for Dray, in limited minutes. They started off bad, predictable considering the injury, but if the last 5 games were actually above his average in terms of tips, ground covered, shots challenged, successful boxouts, etc etc.. it points to there being very little concern with Dray, maybe even optimism if the offensive efficiency is to be believed. It shouldn't, based on history, but it is what it is currently

Where is this rumor about him coming in out of shape coming from? He had a leg injury in the preseason..

[CDM_Stats]

BTW the lineup to keep an eye on is our 4th highest usage one this year:

Curry - Moody - Wiggins - Draymond - Looney

The funny thing is, Moody turns into an offensive pumpkin in these sets as all of his offensive metrics tumble.. if he played to his average, it would be one of our best lineups. And if it turned into his average w/o this lineup weighing in at all.. it almost certainly would be our best lineup (all things considered)

[Onus]

BTW the lineup to keep an eye on is our 4th highest usage one this year:

Curry - Moody - Wiggins - Draymond - Looney

The funny thing is, Moody turns into an offensive pumpkin in these sets as all of his offensive metrics tumble.. if he played to his average, it would be one of our best lineups. And if it turned into his average w/o this lineup weighing in at all.. it almost certainly would be our best lineup (all things considered)

Kerr wants this lineup to do something and was playing this lineup at least once a game but it's for like a minute. We haven't seem to have gone on any big runs with it and kerr abandons it rather quickly but he has slowly tested it out. I would assume the big numbers came from the blow out win against the pels when Klay sat.

I just wonder how many losses in a row kerr is willing to go before he tries something rather than just going with the honorary role of hey you're klay or cp3 you get to start.

[KevinMcreynolds]

We need spot up shooters around Steph so we can play the 2016 D’Antoni offense but spot up shooters get 60 million dolllar contracts these days and we’re always capped out

[Impuniti]

He's been playing in a house-of-cards system that has Klay playing PF and being responsible for a lot of switches. Not unlike Oubre or Wiseman, a single bad player can cause the whole thing to crumble. Metrics cant handle that kind of complex thought

You're correct there, removing Klay from the lineups makes a massive difference. His defensive impact without him or Klay on the court is the same as him and no Klay. We should still expect better from Dray there.

I fully expect him to be better this season, but no way has he been great so far. Him probably coming in out of shape, then getting injured as he usually plays himself into shape played a role.

I can agree with us expecting more from him, but I'd limit it to rebounding because his shot challenged % is not up enough to justify the drop-off in rebounding. Otherwise, the peripheral stats that typically point to decline/improvement have stayed the same for Dray, in limited minutes. They started off bad, predictable considering the injury, but if the last 5 games were actually above his average in terms of tips, ground covered, shots challenged, successful boxouts, etc etc.. it points to there being very little concern with Dray, maybe even optimism if the offensive efficiency is to be believed. It shouldn't, based on history, but it is what it is currently

Where is this rumor about him coming in out of shape coming from? He had a leg injury in the preseason..

No rumor. I should have clarified. Draymond generally comes into camp out of shape and plays himself into shape, his injury stopped him from being "there" after the first week or two.

[HiRez]

Current EPM:
https://i.imgur.com/xzLygGV.png

Current DPM:
https://i.imgur.com/tp1wjnJ.png

These are widely considered to be two of the best AIO stats, but they have some pretty significant disagreements right now. Some of that might have to do with how rookies get initialized, because there's no previous-season data to feed it at the start. But the ratings for Draymond and Loon are also wildly different. The EPM "feels" more accurate to me based on watching the games (for example, DPM has CoJo ranked ahead of TJD and that's a lie), but these stats are designed to pick out some things that might not be obvious (they utilize tracking data among other things). More generally, EPM seems to like the rookies a lot more and DPM seems to like the vets more.