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Post#21 » by DusterBuster » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:40 pm

Jsun947 wrote:I’d bet money Grant still gets moved for Topic and/or future 1st to one of the Lakers, OKC, Dallas, LAC, or Philly

Williams and Thybulle can be traded into someone’s MLE

Simons, I think that’s a tougher one. He makes so much sense for Orlando and SAS. Maybe you can pry away a couple future 1st for him?

I don’t think there is a market for Ayton but given how many minutes Clingan played in college it’s not the end of the world if we just keep him on his current contract. I’d take ANY asset I could for him though.

My bigger concern, despite our ability to tank the 2nd half of our season is that this current roster is just too good going into two good draft years. I want us to be as bad as possible and play the young guys as much as possible.


I have a hard time seeing the Blazers getting out of this summer without making one trade with the Mavericks for Grant and/or Thybulle. We know the Mavs have both on their radar, they've called on Jerami this year and they signed Mattise to his current deal that Portland matched last summer. I would think they would prefer a scorer like Grant though after how the Finals played out. Defensive specialists are great, but they need wing/forward scoring in the worst way.

I would love seeing Simons on the Spurs. Great fit and also should help get the Spurs out of the Top 10 lottery range for 2025. Question is if the Spurs want that or not, will depend on how much pressure Wemby is putting on them to get better, they have some runway with him, but not a ton. Otherwise though, I think just get him home to Orlando. That fit still makes sense for everyone.

Ayton is the only guy of the "veterans" that I think the Blazers don't need to be in any rush over. Clingan isn't ready to be a starter and TRob is perpetually injured, I don't even factor him in the depth chart. If someone wants him and the Blazers don't have to take back bad salary (or they're compensated via picks for said bad salary), do the deal. A center rotation of Ayton/Clingan/Reath is perfectly suitable. Ayton is far from the picture of health either, so I expect Clingan to get a handful of starts... or knowing Chauncey, he'll start Reath so Clingan's role doesn't change *massive eyeroll*.. Regardless, see what you have in the ol' Clinger first, then figure out what to do with Ayton, but don't rush that one unless there's some crazy good offer from a team this summer you can't say no to.
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Post#22 » by red_power » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:17 pm

zzaj wrote:McCullar, Djurisic, Mitchell would likely be my target at #34. Either that or a C&S big like Tyler Smith.

I took a look at McCullar's stat line and I have to say he reminds a lot of Norm Powell. He could be an interesting pick up in the second round definitely.
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Post#23 » by zzaj » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:04 pm

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zzaj wrote:McCullar, Djurisic, Mitchell would likely be my target at #34. Either that or a C&S big like Tyler Smith.

I took a look at McCullar's stat line and I have to say he reminds a lot of Norm Powell. He could be an interesting pick up in the second round definitely.


McCullar is 6'5.24" in socks and a much better connecting passer than Powell is/was. Pretty high on the kid as a second round pick...
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Post#24 » by dunlop212 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:17 pm

Get a real coach.

I am not excited about another year of tanking so that we get a 14 percent chance at Cooper Flagg. It is an intriguing roster with decent depth. Let's see what we got.
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Post#25 » by DaVoiceMaster » Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:05 am

I still want to send Simons and RWIII to Orlando for Black, DaSilva, and the highest of Orlando/Denver 2025 Pick.

I still want to move Grant and Thybulle for lesser contracts, young talent, and/or draft picks. Its probably too much to expect expiring contracts in return. I'd love to deal with Chicago and get Buzelis.
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Post#26 » by zzaj » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:18 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:I still want to send Simons and RWIII to Orlando for Black, DaSilva, and the highest of Orlando/Denver 2025 Pick.

I still want to move Grant and Thybulle for lesser contracts, young talent, and/or draft picks. Its probably too much to expect expiring contracts in return. I'd love to deal with Chicago and get Buzelis.


Honestly, there is no way on earth Orlando jettisons Black and this year's 1st rounder for Simons and a player who could very well never play again...let alone adding a pick to it. Also, the need for a player like Black is lessened with Deni now on the team.

And after Buzelis' tears and his link to the Lith national coach in Chicago? I just think there's no way they move off of him.

Better off to hope for another high pick and get a better player than Buzelis in next year's draft.
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Post#27 » by Norm2953 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 7:00 am

Interesting tonight to read the Blazers have announced they are signing Jacky Cui to an exhibition 10 contract.

He must have done something in that last workout in Portland

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Post#28 » by Dominator83 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:15 am

Jsun947 wrote:I’d bet money Grant still gets moved for Topic and/or future 1st to one of the Lakers, OKC, Dallas, LAC, or Philly

Williams and Thybulle can be traded into someone’s MLE

Simons, I think that’s a tougher one. He makes so much sense for Orlando and SAS. Maybe you can pry away a couple future 1st for him?

I don’t think there is a market for Ayton but given how many minutes Clingan played in college it’s not the end of the world if we just keep him on his current contract. I’d take ANY asset I could for him though.

My bigger concern, despite our ability to tank the 2nd half of our season is that this current roster is just too good going into two good draft years. I want us to be as bad as possible and play the young guys as much as possible.


Bulls fan here. Vuc and your pick debt expunged ?
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Post#29 » by PDXKnight » Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:01 pm

Dominator83 wrote:
Jsun947 wrote:I’d bet money Grant still gets moved for Topic and/or future 1st to one of the Lakers, OKC, Dallas, LAC, or Philly

Williams and Thybulle can be traded into someone’s MLE

Simons, I think that’s a tougher one. He makes so much sense for Orlando and SAS. Maybe you can pry away a couple future 1st for him?

I don’t think there is a market for Ayton but given how many minutes Clingan played in college it’s not the end of the world if we just keep him on his current contract. I’d take ANY asset I could for him though.

My bigger concern, despite our ability to tank the 2nd half of our season is that this current roster is just too good going into two good draft years. I want us to be as bad as possible and play the young guys as much as possible.


Bulls fan here. Vuc and your pick debt expunged ?


Man that's not bad but that's just one opinion. Has vuc's value dropped that much?
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Post#30 » by Norm2953 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:50 pm

Dominator83 wrote:
Jsun947 wrote:I’d bet money Grant still gets moved for Topic and/or future 1st to one of the Lakers, OKC, Dallas, LAC, or Philly

Williams and Thybulle can be traded into someone’s MLE

Simons, I think that’s a tougher one. He makes so much sense for Orlando and SAS. Maybe you can pry away a couple future 1st for him?

I don’t think there is a market for Ayton but given how many minutes Clingan played in college it’s not the end of the world if we just keep him on his current contract. I’d take ANY asset I could for him though.

My bigger concern, despite our ability to tank the 2nd half of our season is that this current roster is just too good going into two good draft years. I want us to be as bad as possible and play the young guys as much as possible.


Bulls fan here. Vuc and your pick debt expunged ?


That might not be a bad idea for if TL is healthy, Portland could then buy out Vuc and regain full
use of its pick.

I’m not really worried about the roster being too good, for so much depends on Scoot and Sharpe.

I tend to think Portland in 2024/5 is a 35 win team as opposed we to the 21 win team they were this
season. They will be better but unlikely to make the playoffs.

Likely just letting Ayton walk after playing out the last two years of his deal is what will happen
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Post#31 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:52 pm

Would be a pretty darn cool story if Cui makes it. Scrounged for some video and he looks pretty fluid for 6’7 and has a really nice jumper. Sorta looked a class
above athletically but that doesn’t say much considering his competition in China.
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Post#32 » by Pattycakes » Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:31 pm

Norm2953 wrote:
Dominator83 wrote:
Jsun947 wrote:I’d bet money Grant still gets moved for Topic and/or future 1st to one of the Lakers, OKC, Dallas, LAC, or Philly

Williams and Thybulle can be traded into someone’s MLE

Simons, I think that’s a tougher one. He makes so much sense for Orlando and SAS. Maybe you can pry away a couple future 1st for him?

I don’t think there is a market for Ayton but given how many minutes Clingan played in college it’s not the end of the world if we just keep him on his current contract. I’d take ANY asset I could for him though.

My bigger concern, despite our ability to tank the 2nd half of our season is that this current roster is just too good going into two good draft years. I want us to be as bad as possible and play the young guys as much as possible.


Bulls fan here. Vuc and your pick debt expunged ?


That might not be a bad idea for if TL is healthy, Portland could then buy out Vuc and regain full
use of its pick.

I’m not really worried about the roster being too good, for so much depends on Scoot and Sharpe.

I tend to think Portland in 2024/5 is a 35 win team as opposed we to the 21 win team they were this
season. They will be better but unlikely to make the playoffs.

Likely just letting Ayton walk after playing out the last two years of his deal is what will happen


Would be very foolish of us. The long term were much better off seeing how we can pair DC and DA
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Post#33 » by Norm2953 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:44 pm

The problem with that is DA's next extension.

DA is eligible for a $161 million/3 extension on July 18. With Donovan in the fold, there is no way
Portland would extend Ayton
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Post#34 » by Norm2953 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:45 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Would be a pretty darn cool story if Cui makes it. Scrounged for some video and he looks pretty fluid for 6’7 and has a really nice jumper. Sorta looked a class
above athletically but that doesn’t say much considering his competition in China.


He did workout in Portland in the last group. He must have shown something to perhaps earn a two way
contract if he does well

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Post#35 » by tester551 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:48 pm

Norm2953 wrote:DA is eligible for a $161 million/3 extension on July 18. With Donovan in the fold, there is no way
Portland would extend Ayton

Yeah... So what?
Ayton is under contract for 2 more seasons. Let it play out.
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Post#36 » by Norm2953 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:57 pm

tester551 wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:DA is eligible for a $161 million/3 extension on July 18. With Donovan in the fold, there is no way
Portland would extend Ayton

Yeah... So what?
Ayton is under contract for 2 more seasons. Let it play out.


There is a thought that guys like Ayton who are not extended will pout if he's not extended
for it happened before when he was with the Suns
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Post#37 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 28, 2024 5:01 pm

Pattycakes wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:
Dominator83 wrote:
Bulls fan here. Vuc and your pick debt expunged ?


That might not be a bad idea for if TL is healthy, Portland could then buy out Vuc and regain full
use of its pick.

I’m not really worried about the roster being too good, for so much depends on Scoot and Sharpe.

I tend to think Portland in 2024/5 is a 35 win team as opposed we to the 21 win team they were this
season. They will be better but unlikely to make the playoffs.

Likely just letting Ayton walk after playing out the last two years of his deal is what will happen


Would be very foolish of us. The long term were much better off seeing how we can pair DC and DA


We have 2 years to try that and if (I would say, when) it fails we can let him walk.

I would be very surprised if Ayton was here in 2 years. Donovan is the future and a bouncy, stretch PF would be the best fit at PF w/ Clingan being a traditional C (I dont believe the 3PT shot) and Scoot / Sharpe likely being rim attacking, high usage guys. You want a JJJ to round this roster out IMO. MUCH harder said than done though.
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Post#38 » by tester551 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 5:01 pm

Norm2953 wrote:
tester551 wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:DA is eligible for a $161 million/3 extension on July 18. With Donovan in the fold, there is no way
Portland would extend Ayton

Yeah... So what?
Ayton is under contract for 2 more seasons. Let it play out.


There is a thought that guys like Ayton who are not extended will pout if he's not extended
for it happened before when he was with the Suns

Yeah.... Again, so what?

Let him pout. It only lowers his value during a future contract negotiation.
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Post#39 » by Pattycakes » Fri Jun 28, 2024 5:11 pm

All I can say is I’m happy I love DA :lol: would be miserable suffering several seasons according to some perspectives. I think DC unlocks another chapter of his game where his “flaws” are covered well im pretty hugely bullish on the combo. Saw a couple people online saying DC at 4… no. Not the point. You take DA who is not a traditional center and remove the burden of being one on the defensive end (doesn’t really even have a reason to be a center other than being big and trying to pick and roll often).

Scoot as Nash lite, DA as Amare lite and suddenly it’ll all make some sense. Let it cook
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Post#40 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 28, 2024 5:21 pm

Re Ayton at PF - I do wonder if he actually would be a better defender there. He shies from contact and isnt a rim protector - but he moves his feet tremendously well for his size. I actually trust him on switches more than I do as a post defender / rim protector. Its an experiment worth trying and I wouldnt be surprised if the FO had the same thoughts.

Assuming we can move Grant - Scoot / Sharpe / Deni / Ayton / Clingan would be a ride for better or worse.

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