Why The Raptors Should Explore Trading Jakob Poeltl To The Knicks

[Tripod]

Personally I want Jakob around for helping the guys develop

Elite finisher for Scottie on the roll
Sets great off ball screens for Dick and Walter
PNR with Quickley.

He'll help these guys shine

Yup.

He should be our starter and RE-SIGNED when due unless we have another option in house and ready to...not only take his spot, but be just as good.

[JJWong17]

Personally I want Jakob around for helping the guys develop

Elite finisher for Scottie on the roll
Sets great off ball screens for Dick and Walter
PNR with Quickley.

He'll help these guys shine

Also, I fear that without him or someone comparable, our defence (as meh as it already is) will just collapse and I don't like that as an environment to bring young players up in

[Clutch0z24]

We should be exploring trading both Brown/Yak all year for the best packages as possible ....Whatever we net back in the two players will be crucial to our rebuilding process....Yak turning 29 in Oct, Brown turning 28 in Aug....These 2 do not really fit what we are trying to do...

The players values will only decrease the longer you hold onto them with injury risks/other teams filling a hole for the type of player they need....If Masai aint exploring trades right now for these 2 guys hes not doing his job right....But im sure we let this team play out till the deadline and if we are a 15-20 win team by that time Yak/Brown will both be gone at the deadline

[LoganAndWade]

Did OP use ChatGPT to write their post?

This made me actually laugh out loud !!

[Tripod]

We should be exploring trading both Brown/Yak all year for the best packages as possible ....Whatever we net back in the two players will be crucial to our rebuilding process....Yak turning 29 in Oct, Brown turning 28 in Aug....These 2 do not really fit what we are trying to do...

The players values will only decrease the longer you hold onto them with injury risks/other teams filling a hole for the type of player they need....If Masai aint exploring trades right now for these 2 guys hes not doing his job right....But im sure we let this team play out till the deadline and if we are a 15-20 win team by that time Yak/Brown will both be gone at the deadline

Not every rotation player needs to be 25 years and under.

[YogurtProducer]

We should be exploring trading both Brown/Yak all year for the best packages as possible ....Whatever we net back in the two players will be crucial to our rebuilding process....Yak turning 29 in Oct, Brown turning 28 in Aug....These 2 do not really fit what we are trying to do...

The players values will only decrease the longer you hold onto them with injury risks/other teams filling a hole for the type of player they need....If Masai aint exploring trades right now for these 2 guys hes not doing his job right....But im sure we let this team play out till the deadline and if we are a 15-20 win team by that time Yak/Brown will both be gone at the deadline

Not every rotation player needs to be 25 years and under.

and if the current squad is a 15/20 win team without injury we have way bigger issues.

[Clutch0z24]

We should be exploring trading both Brown/Yak all year for the best packages as possible ....Whatever we net back in the two players will be crucial to our rebuilding process....Yak turning 29 in Oct, Brown turning 28 in Aug....These 2 do not really fit what we are trying to do...

The players values will only decrease the longer you hold onto them with injury risks/other teams filling a hole for the type of player they need....If Masai aint exploring trades right now for these 2 guys hes not doing his job right....But im sure we let this team play out till the deadline and if we are a 15-20 win team by that time Yak/Brown will both be gone at the deadline

Not every rotation player needs to be 25 years and under.

I think your missing the point with my post....Right now you have to look at the older guys on the team as assets in trades at what they could get us back for the future of the team when we will be an actual threat in the NBA....

Right now we are zero threat to any of the real teams in the NBA and we are prolly not even really competitive this year....We will be lucky to be an above .500 team....

That is the reason you explore trades for guys that may have value across the league right now while you can....The market changes every year for the type of player teams need/want....Yaks market is prolly the biggest this trade deadline....With the amount of teams at the deadline that will want a player like Yak to push their team into contention would be to our benefit....Same can be said for Brown...

The players values will only decrease the longer we hold onto them (Contract wise/Injury risks/Teams already filling a need) and since these players will not be around for when we are an actual threat in the NBA you look to move them for as many future assets that you can get now if that be future picks/good young prospects you do the deal while you can....You don't wanna lose players that actually have value in the league for the lowest price or for nothing (Like we have been doing the last few years here and it costed us)...

[YelloC]

I’d prefer if they traded Brice Brawn.

[anotherhomer]

We should be exploring trading both Brown/Yak all year for the best packages as possible ....Whatever we net back in the two players will be crucial to our rebuilding process....Yak turning 29 in Oct, Brown turning 28 in Aug....These 2 do not really fit what we are trying to do...

The players values will only decrease the longer you hold onto them with injury risks/other teams filling a hole for the type of player they need....If Masai aint exploring trades right now for these 2 guys hes not doing his job right....But im sure we let this team play out till the deadline and if we are a 15-20 win team by that time Yak/Brown will both be gone at the deadline

Not every rotation player needs to be 25 years and under.

I think your missing the point with my post....Right now you have to look at the older guys on the team as assets in trades at what they could get us back for the future of the team when we will be an actual threat in the NBA....

Right now we are zero threat to any of the real teams in the NBA and we are prolly not even really competitive this year....We will be lucky to be an above .500 team....

That is the reason you explore trades for guys that may have value across the league right now while you can....The market changes every year for the type of player teams need/want....Yaks market is prolly the biggest this trade deadline....With the amount of teams at the deadline that will want a player like Yak to push their team into contention would be to our benefit....Same can be said for Brown...

The players values will only decrease the longer we hold onto them (Contract wise/Injury risks/Teams already filling a need) and since these players will not be around for when we are an actual threat in the NBA you look to move them for as many future assets that you can get now if that be future picks/good young prospects you do the deal while you can....You don't wanna lose players that actually have value in the league for the lowest price or for nothing (Like we have been doing the last few years here and it costed us)...

I see your point about asset management.
However not having a capable center is going to hurt development with everyone taking a beating inside

That 26 mins of quality center play means guys don't take a beating and you can play Barnes at the 5 spot strategically when needed

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Apparently Knicks offered 2 FRPs for Walker Kessler

[Chandan]

Thibs has already seen how well Poeltl and OG works together defensively.

[Psubs]

Knicks aren’t a good trade partner.

Their draft assets are glorified second round picks.
They don’t have $12m in salary to send out for Poeltl.
They are just under luxury tax.

If they are just under the salary cap they can use the MLE as a TPE, right?

[Psubs]

trading poetl makes no sense. the team loses badly without a center and his contract is reasonable.

Tank for Bailey or Flagg.

[TorontoBarneys]

Poeltl to Knicks could pick up steam nearer to the trade deadline depending on what happens with our record & theirs.

[YogurtProducer]

Thibs has already seen how well Poeltl and OG works together defensively.

Thibs has seen how well Poeltl and mentally checked OG works together.

Either way - the team had a 112.9DRTG when both shared the court last year. Good for the 8th best defense in the league. So take that for what its worth.

[will]

Raps will need to hope a few centers sustain season ending injuries because looking at the NBA landscape there aren't many teams to tango with. The market for traditional centers fluctuates greatly and rapidly, if you don't strike while the iron is hot you could be forced to hold out while asset value deteriorates.

Well thank god the FO never does that.

They put their hand on the iron instead.

[Shakril]

Personally I want Jakob around for helping the guys develop

Elite finisher for Scottie on the roll
Sets great off ball screens for Dick and Walter
PNR with Quickley.

He'll help these guys shine

Having a big that could space the floor would be even more beneficial for our young guys and their development.

Not if he cant defend, play pnr, pass, setting screens, rebound, protect the rim. Just to name a few things that a Big should be able to do at a good level.

Unless you find me someone who does all that + shoots the 3 with at least 35% and doesnt cost more than Poeltl, than do it.
But i am pretty sure, that kind of Player is not so easy to find.

Oh, and Poeltl actually is able to space the floor (Shooting is not only way you can create space)


But lets be serious, Duffmann already pointed the main things out that are important for the young guys.

[Shakril]

We should be exploring trading both Brown/Yak all year for the best packages as possible ....Whatever we net back in the two players will be crucial to our rebuilding process....Yak turning 29 in Oct, Brown turning 28 in Aug....These 2 do not really fit what we are trying to do...

The players values will only decrease the longer you hold onto them with injury risks/other teams filling a hole for the type of player they need....If Masai aint exploring trades right now for these 2 guys hes not doing his job right....But im sure we let this team play out till the deadline and if we are a 15-20 win team by that time Yak/Brown will both be gone at the deadline

Players dont turn 30 and suddenly are incapable of playing. Our window is exactly 4 years long. In that timeframe this iteration of the team has to be succesful, otherwise Barnes is gone. I am pretty sure, Players can still be good at age 31/32.

[Clutch0z24]

Not every rotation player needs to be 25 years and under.

I think your missing the point with my post....Right now you have to look at the older guys on the team as assets in trades at what they could get us back for the future of the team when we will be an actual threat in the NBA....

Right now we are zero threat to any of the real teams in the NBA and we are prolly not even really competitive this year....We will be lucky to be an above .500 team....

That is the reason you explore trades for guys that may have value across the league right now while you can....The market changes every year for the type of player teams need/want....Yaks market is prolly the biggest this trade deadline....With the amount of teams at the deadline that will want a player like Yak to push their team into contention would be to our benefit....Same can be said for Brown...

The players values will only decrease the longer we hold onto them (Contract wise/Injury risks/Teams already filling a need) and since these players will not be around for when we are an actual threat in the NBA you look to move them for as many future assets that you can get now if that be future picks/good young prospects you do the deal while you can....You don't wanna lose players that actually have value in the league for the lowest price or for nothing (Like we have been doing the last few years here and it costed us)...

I see your point about asset management.
However not having a capable center is going to hurt development with everyone taking a beating inside

That 26 mins of quality center play means guys don't take a beating and you can play Barnes at the 5 spot strategically when needed

Tbh the C position is the last position on the court in todays NBA you should worry about filling.....Plus if we can get a young up and coming C to fill that position...We should focus more on getting the players in place that we will build with in the future now...

Yak is the type of player you go get when you already contenders and you need a guy to fill a need....We shouldn't be so gassed if we lose Yak for the right price....If its a future first rounder and a prospect its a no brainer for me....

I think it would have sat better for us to trade Yak if we still had a healthy Koloko...But we can find another Koloko level prospect...

[Clutch0z24]

We should be exploring trading both Brown/Yak all year for the best packages as possible ....Whatever we net back in the two players will be crucial to our rebuilding process....Yak turning 29 in Oct, Brown turning 28 in Aug....These 2 do not really fit what we are trying to do...

The players values will only decrease the longer you hold onto them with injury risks/other teams filling a hole for the type of player they need....If Masai aint exploring trades right now for these 2 guys hes not doing his job right....But im sure we let this team play out till the deadline and if we are a 15-20 win team by that time Yak/Brown will both be gone at the deadline

Players dont turn 30 and suddenly are incapable of playing. Our window is exactly 4 years long. In that timeframe this iteration of the team has to be succesful, otherwise Barnes is gone. I am pretty sure, Players can still be good at age 31/32.

Its not about Yaks talent again your missing the point....Its about where we are as a team right now and Yaks value....If Yaks trade value is tanked right now and all you can get is 2 2nd rounders and a meh player then sure hold onto him...

But if at the deadline lots of teams are throwing good offers at us with either a future 1st round pick + a decent young player....Or a few good young players + 2nd rounders ....You trade him now while you can get some future assets to build around Barnes with...

Yak is not the future C here lets be real....He won't be here when the Barnes era is starting to make playoff runs...He was traded here because Masai thought we could make a playoff run with the FVV/Siakam/OG core ....Not for him to be the future of the Barnes era...