Matas' in 5 years?

[sco]

He needs some strength

I know he looks skinny, and I have some complaints about his game, but I don't watch him and see his bad play and really ever think it was due to his strength. To me his issues are adjusting to the quickness of the NBA and his footwork.

[drosestruts]

If you like Brandon miller as a prospect then you should like Matas. Miller although is given to green light to fail and learn.

I would think they're pretty different, I mean I don't follow Miller at all, but my recollection is that as a prospect he was a high upside scorer, good shooter, great offensive feel with questions about whether he could defend anyone. Matas feels almost like the reverse, really good defensive feel, will almost certainly be a good plus defender with seasoning/muscle, but his offense is the whole question mark.

I would say that is correct.

Miller's college stats - 21 points per game, 38.5% 3P%, 58.3% TS%, 23 PER, 120 ORTG

Matas G - league stats - 16 points, 26% 3P%, and a 55% TS%, 13 PER, 97 ORTG


I know we're supposed to like Matas since he's our guy and all, but Miller was light years ahead as a prospect.

[drosestruts]

I voted solid starter but I also think of the poll is insinuating that who you are in 5 years is what you'll top out at is wrong.

In 5 years I expect him to be a solid starter

6-8 years we'll see if he can hit all-star level play.

[Jcool0]

If you like Brandon miller as a prospect then you should like Matas. Miller although is given to green light to fail and learn.

I would think they're pretty different, I mean I don't follow Miller at all, but my recollection is that as a prospect he was a high upside scorer, good shooter, great offensive feel with questions about whether he could defend anyone. Matas feels almost like the reverse, really good defensive feel, will almost certainly be a good plus defender with seasoning/muscle, but his offense is the whole question mark.

I would say that is correct.

Miller's college stats - 21 points per game, 38.5% 3P%, 58.3% TS%, 23 PER, 120 ORTG

Matas G - league stats - 16 points, 26% 3P%, and a 55% TS%, 13 PER, 97 ORTG


I know we're supposed to like Matas since he's our guy and all, but Miller was light years ahead as a prospect.

Miller averaged 18.8 ppg on 43% shooting

[dougthonus]

I would think they're pretty different, I mean I don't follow Miller at all, but my recollection is that as a prospect he was a high upside scorer, good shooter, great offensive feel with questions about whether he could defend anyone. Matas feels almost like the reverse, really good defensive feel, will almost certainly be a good plus defender with seasoning/muscle, but his offense is the whole question mark.

I would say that is correct.

Miller's college stats - 21 points per game, 38.5% 3P%, 58.3% TS%, 23 PER, 120 ORTG

Matas G - league stats - 16 points, 26% 3P%, and a 55% TS%, 13 PER, 97 ORTG


I know we're supposed to like Matas since he's our guy and all, but Miller was light years ahead as a prospect.

Miller averaged 18.8 ppg on 43% shooting

Not sure FG% is really that meaningful an indicator in this day and age.

Miller / Matas
2%: 48% / 51.5%
3%: 38% / 27.3%
TS%: 58% / 54.9%
3pt rate: 53.6% / 27.9%
FT rate: 32.9% / 17.9%
PPG: 18.3 / 14.3

Pretty different profiles in terms of their offense. Would guess on 2s Matas was getting a lot more inside and Miller was doing more jumpers, but not an easy way to get that for me and didn't care enough to dig in, but you look at the TS% and Miller has a huge advantage, and you look at 3 point rate and percentages and Miller has a huge advantage. Miller also had a way higher foul draw rate (which I found a bit surprising to be honest).

Granted, very different experiences as well with Matas having a further three point line and playing against a higher level of competition with an NBA shot clock vs the longer college clock, but as a prospect, Miller was a high volume / high percentage three point shooter and looks like a scorer, Matas really doesn't look like a scorer based on his profile.

[Indomitable]

He needs some strength

I know he looks skinny, and I have some complaints about his game, but I don't watch him and see his bad play and really ever think it was due to his strength. To me his issues are adjusting to the quickness of the NBA and his footwork.

Agree to disagree. I see a man who lacks strength and gets bumped off balance when attacking.

That makes him reluctant then he is forced to depend on his underwhelming jumper.

[sco]

He needs some strength

I know he looks skinny, and I have some complaints about his game, but I don't watch him and see his bad play and really ever think it was due to his strength. To me his issues are adjusting to the quickness of the NBA and his footwork.

Agree to disagree. I see a man who lacks strength and gets bumped off balance when attacking.

That makes him reluctant then he is forced to depend on his underwhelming jumper.

I also agree to disagree, although it's sorta a moot point as there's no way that he isn't going to get a lot stronger with even the most basic NBA training regimine (and IIRC Matas has a very good trainer behind him). I think he's just young and inexperienced in terms of his finishing skill, but his key development need is his 3pt shot. His form isn't bad, but it's very inconsistent and his footwork needs a lot of practice...both 3pt and at the rim.

[dougthonus]

I know he looks skinny, and I have some complaints about his game, but I don't watch him and see his bad play and really ever think it was due to his strength. To me his issues are adjusting to the quickness of the NBA and his footwork.

Agree to disagree. I see a man who lacks strength and gets bumped off balance when attacking.

That makes him reluctant then he is forced to depend on his underwhelming jumper.

I also agree to disagree, although it's sorta a moot point as there's no way that he isn't going to get a lot stronger with even the most basic NBA training regimine (and IIRC Matas has a very good trainer behind him). I think he's just young and inexperienced in terms of his finishing skill, but his key development need is his 3pt shot. His form isn't bad, but it's very inconsistent and his footwork needs a lot of practice...both 3pt and at the rim.

Matas looks really good shooting then frequently misses by huge margins, he's not even an in and out guy at this point. but his form is good, release speed is good, willingness to take step backs, tough shots is there. If he puts in the work, all the elements are there to be a really good shooter eventually.

[Red8911]

Matas should be starting next to Vuc, he has the size and athleticism that’s needed. Sure he makes mistakes but let him play through them and learn, it will pay off.

I don’t think Billy has handled him well so far, let the guy play 20 minutes a game at least . Other high picks got special treatment with play time why can’t he ?

If the Bulls eventually trust him and develop him the right way I say he’s a very good player by 1-2 years.How good ? Who knows my prediction is his floor is a starting level player.

5 years though is way too in the future and he ll be 25 by then, point is for him to develop now.

[ImSlower]

I agree with needing him to get minutes on the court. I consider this season completely worthless if we don't actually see a single one of our young players improve. I'm happy Coby got super hot and had himself a game, but I remain a total skeptic. I'm less optimistic than anyone on this forum regarding Williams. We played Buzelis for 2 minutes!

I'm a total hypocrite here, as I think this team has absolutely zero direction, but when I actively watch I'm unable to do anything but root for game-to-game wins. In the big picture, I want to see something from this throwaway season more than just a couple fun wins against tired or injured teams. I don't know how badly Buzelis is doing in practices, but I don't think playing him from 12mpg is doing this organization any favors. Hooray, we stuck Talen Effing Horton Effing Tucker in for 20mpg.

Play. Buzelis. We're going to win 38 irrelevant games! We're the complete laughing stock of the entire national basketball media and fanbase! I suppose I should put my rant in the Going Nowhere thread, but in this specific sense, I just want to see our exciting, hustling rookie with top-draft-pick potential play some damn professional basketball more.

[Guru]

In 5 years Matas will not only be the best player in the 2024 draft but also the 2025 draft. The 2025 draft appears to be wildly over rated.

[Muzbar]

I agree with needing him to get minutes on the court. I consider this season completely worthless if we don't actually see a single one of our young players improve. I'm happy Coby got super hot and had himself a game, but I remain a total skeptic. I'm less optimistic than anyone on this forum regarding Williams. We played Buzelis for 2 minutes!

I'm a total hypocrite here, as I think this team has absolutely zero direction, but when I actively watch I'm unable to do anything but root for game-to-game wins. In the big picture, I want to see something from this throwaway season more than just a couple fun wins against tired or injured teams. I don't know how badly Buzelis is doing in practices, but I don't think playing him from 12mpg is doing this organization any favors. Hooray, we stuck Talen Effing Horton Effing Tucker in for 20mpg.

Play. Buzelis. We're going to win 38 irrelevant games! We're the complete laughing stock of the entire national basketball media and fanbase! I suppose I should put my rant in the Going Nowhere thread, but in this specific sense, I just want to see our exciting, hustling rookie with top-draft-pick potential play some damn professional basketball more.

I totally get it. You know you want some sort of direction, but they continue to tow the line. But you're a fan of the team, so of course you're going to be happy when they win.

Everyone wants to see their team win, some are willing to sacrifice some wins for potential long term success. Just because you want the best for you team long term, doesn't mean you're not a fan.

On Matas, I agree, he needs more minutes, but he probably won't get more until veterans are moved.

[sco]

I agree with needing him to get minutes on the court. I consider this season completely worthless if we don't actually see a single one of our young players improve. I'm happy Coby got super hot and had himself a game, but I remain a total skeptic. I'm less optimistic than anyone on this forum regarding Williams. We played Buzelis for 2 minutes!

I'm a total hypocrite here, as I think this team has absolutely zero direction, but when I actively watch I'm unable to do anything but root for game-to-game wins. In the big picture, I want to see something from this throwaway season more than just a couple fun wins against tired or injured teams. I don't know how badly Buzelis is doing in practices, but I don't think playing him from 12mpg is doing this organization any favors. Hooray, we stuck Talen Effing Horton Effing Tucker in for 20mpg.

Play. Buzelis. We're going to win 38 irrelevant games! We're the complete laughing stock of the entire national basketball media and fanbase! I suppose I should put my rant in the Going Nowhere thread, but in this specific sense, I just want to see our exciting, hustling rookie with top-draft-pick potential play some damn professional basketball more.

I totally get it. You know you want some sort of direction, but they continue to tow the line. But you're a fan of the team, so of course you're going to be happy when they win.

Everyone wants to see their team win, some are willing to sacrifice some wins for potential long term success. Just because you want the best for you team long term, doesn't mean you're not a fan.

On Matas, I agree, he needs more minutes, but he probably won't get more until veterans are moved.

I can totally empathize. I live in the NY area and have adopted the Knicks as my 2nd team, but even last night when I should be rooting for the Knicks to win and the Bulls to lose because it generally fits what I want to happen this season, I still was pulling for the Bulls last night.

[Chi town]

Buz will get his ch ace soon once Vuc and Zo are traded.

[FriedRise]

Not enough info to predict. With Pat, we were able to make predictions because he was starting and getting minutes from Day 1 (where we went wrong was assuming that he'd grow and not stay as the same exact player as in his rookie year).

[GoBlue72391]

Giannis with a jump shot

Oh, so basically the greatest player of all time.

[GoBlue72391]

I voted solid starter but I also think of the poll is insinuating that who you are in 5 years is what you'll top out at is wrong.

In 5 years I expect him to be a solid starter

6-8 years we'll see if he can hit all-star level play.

How often does that happen? Almost never, I'd wager. Lauri comes to mind, but he's a major outlier. Mike Conley made a goodwill gesture AS nod in like his 15th season as a replacement.

[drosestruts]

I voted solid starter but I also think of the poll is insinuating that who you are in 5 years is what you'll top out at is wrong.

In 5 years I expect him to be a solid starter

6-8 years we'll see if he can hit all-star level play.

How often does that happen? Almost never, I'd wager. Lauri comes to mind, but he's a major outlier. Mike Conley made a goodwill gesture AS nod in like his 15th season as a replacement.

In my view, it's becoming increasingly more popular.

Lauri like you mentioned. Brunson, Mikal Bridges. De'Andre Hunter is having a breakout season at age 27. Wiggins was a late bloomer.

Jimmy Butler wasn't an all-star until he was 25

Derrick White has had a late career breakout

Norm Powell is having his best season ever at age 31

Fred Van Vleet- lone all-star appearance at age 27

Siakam first all star game at 25

PJ Washington could be in the midst of a later career breakout

[JimmyButler21]

Marginal starter. This was a weak Draft and he went 11th overall. Predicting anything more than that at this point is just wishful thinking.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I voted solid starter but I also think of the poll is insinuating that who you are in 5 years is what you'll top out at is wrong.

In 5 years I expect him to be a solid starter

6-8 years we'll see if he can hit all-star level play.

How often does that happen? Almost never, I'd wager. Lauri comes to mind, but he's a major outlier. Mike Conley made a goodwill gesture AS nod in like his 15th season as a replacement.

In my view, it's becoming increasingly more popular.

Lauri like you mentioned. Brunson, Mikal Bridges. De'Andre Hunter is having a breakout season at age 27. Wiggins was a late bloomer.

Jimmy Butler wasn't an all-star until he was 25

Derrick White has had a late career breakout

Norm Powell is having his best season ever at age 31

Fred Van Vleet- lone all-star appearance at age 27

Siakam first all star game at 25

PJ Washington could be in the midst of a later career breakout

I always think about Chauncey Billups late development.