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Post#21 » by Netaman » Sat May 24, 2025 3:57 pm

Trade idea from Yossi Gozlan, I could see something like this for sure - not sure who Marks would take between Bailey, VJ, or even Fears/Kon higher than currently expected, but I like the idea of consolidating and getting whichever guy from that group they like best if they have a real conviction.

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Dlo, CamT, CamJ, Claxton and whoever they like enough to move up to pick at #3 would be the start of an interesting group. Depending on what DLo/CamT extend at, they should still have ~10-20m+ of pure cap space to pursue someone a Ty Jerome type. Plus Clowney, Wilson, Keon, picks #19/#27.

Also have the $23.3m trade exception from Bridges, not sure that's big enough to swipe Kuminga from GS in an RFA pursuit via S&T since he was reportedly more in the $30m range but that's something else worth considering. Kuminga after 4 years of development may not be far off from whatever the baseline expectation should be for Ace Bailey as an example and he is ready to step into a bigger role with a team like Brooklyn. not sure it's possible but if there is a way to accept his RFA rights into the bridges TE since his cap hold is 22.9m, that would be ideal and worth giving up some marginal draft assets for be it a few 2nds or perhaps even pick #27.

DLo, CamT, CamJ, Kuminga, Clax starting 5 plus whoever they pick top 8, Clowney, #19, Keon, Wilson is a roster that starts getting interesting, especially if they haven't needed to badly overpay anyone since they are the only team with cap space this year. May even still have room to do an MLE pursuit of Ty Jerome too.

both kuminga and jerome played HS in ny/nj too. that group plus a bunch of future draft assets would put them in good position for whoever the next star trade is assuming Giannis goes elsewhere this go round.
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Post#22 » by ecuhus1981 » Sat May 24, 2025 5:02 pm

I would LOVE to absorb a minor expiring contract like a Drummond, in order to trade up to 3. I think the draw for Philly would be immediate cap savings, but also getting the 28 Philly 1st back helps guard against a worst case scenario if Joel and Paul can't ever stay healthy.

Honestly, I'm intrigued at who falls to us at 8. I would not be shocked if Ace falls to us, dime teams have been scared away by his over inflated college height measurements, ball handling and reliance on high shots and usage. He could bust, but if he hits, he could be the best in this class. Yeah, I said it.
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Post#23 » by Netaman » Sun May 25, 2025 1:29 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:I would LOVE to absorb a minor expiring contract like a Drummond, in order to trade up to 3. I think the draw for Philly would be immediate cap savings, but also getting the 28 Philly 1st back helps guard against a worst case scenario if Joel and Paul can't ever stay healthy.

Honestly, I'm intrigued at who falls to us at 8. I would not be shocked if Ace falls to us, dime teams have been scared away by his over inflated college height measurements, ball handling and reliance on high shots and usage. He could bust, but if he hits, he could be the best in this class. Yeah, I said it.


im intrigued by all the names from 3-8. It would not shock me if we traded up to 3 to take almost any of them, or stayed at 8 and they fell there. fears, kon, maluach, vj, bailey, tre, queen, even someone like essenge.

preference wise i think i find myself leaning more and more towards Kon or Fears.
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Post#24 » by Eatgreenz » Sun May 25, 2025 3:18 am

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Post#25 » by Papi_swav » Sun May 25, 2025 5:36 am

Harper I think is definitely the guy that'll have the best career from this draft class when it's all said and done
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Post#26 » by TheNetsFan » Sun May 25, 2025 5:35 pm

I'm afraid that the cost to get to #2 will be crazy, and you can't pay all of that for someone unproven.
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Post#27 » by Paradise » Sun May 25, 2025 6:11 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:I'm afraid that the cost to get to #2 will be crazy, and you can't pay all of that for someone unproven.

He’s NBA ready. Look at his workout with Giannis and Ace Bailey.


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Post#28 » by Netaman » Sun May 25, 2025 7:09 pm

I think the only way Nets can get up to #2 for Harper is if the pick moves in a Giannis trade as the main piece of value, and the Bucks prefer to split it into multiple pieces. Part of that may even include the Nets needing to eat the Lillard contract.

In this version the Nets are trading MIL Claxton, #8, #19, and the unprotected 2027 NYK pick for pick #2. I think it's likely that the Bucks would pass on that unless they were desperate to dump the Lillard contract and could also include offloading his $112m remaining in here to Nets.

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The other way would be if they could get up to #3 with the trades we've seen discussed with Philly, then perhaps SAS or MIL likes someone else a lot closer to Harper than the general consensus. But that seems more complicated and less likely. SAS/Giannis with #2 pick being part of that deal just makes too much sense for both sides.
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Post#29 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun May 25, 2025 9:20 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:I'm afraid that the cost to get to #2 will be crazy, and you can't pay all of that for someone unproven.

I’m not even including my opinion on Harper, but just speaking on the value for unproven guy statement.

Imagine Dallas had felt that way when trading up for Luka?
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Post#30 » by TheNetsFan » Sun May 25, 2025 9:56 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I'm afraid that the cost to get to #2 will be crazy, and you can't pay all of that for someone unproven.

I’m not even including my opinion on Harper, but just speaking on the value for unproven guy statement.

Imagine Dallas had felt that way when trading up for Luka?

Apples and oranges. Dallas traded #5 + a future protected 1st for #3. If that's all it cost to move from #8 to #2, sign me up. The problem is that it's going to cost much, much, much more. If it's #8, CamJ and one more pick other than our '26 FRP, fine. Anything more than that gets way too risky.
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Post#31 » by Netaman » Sun May 25, 2025 10:09 pm

Let's say Nets can get to #3 with a trade along the lines of what Gozlan proposed above (#8, #26, PHI28 pick, taking back drummond salary).

Now the trade up is a much more manageable #3 to #2 whether it's MIL or SAS. Yes there is a bigger drop off than 1 pick because of the way it's tiered, but whoever is at #2 will now get their top player in that next tier.

So while the consensus clearly has Harper better than the consensus 3 and lower, is that difference worth another future unprotected first? Or CamJ? Or Clax? Or some combo of those things? What if he's also ratcheting up his push to Nets, which by some reports has already started?

I'm not saying the Nets are going to get Harper but I don't think the rumors are entirely fruitless to dream about either. Giannis/SAS is a massive domino largely unrelated to Nets so a lot of this may be entirely out of their control, but I expect they are investigating a lot of scenarios right now to weaponize their cap space and veteran players in an effort to maximize what they can get out of this draft.
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Post#32 » by Eatgreenz » Mon May 26, 2025 5:11 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I'm afraid that the cost to get to #2 will be crazy, and you can't pay all of that for someone unproven.

I’m not even including my opinion on Harper, but just speaking on the value for unproven guy statement.

Imagine Dallas had felt that way when trading up for Luka?

Whats your opinion on Harper
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Post#33 » by TGW » Mon May 26, 2025 5:06 pm

Paradise wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I'm afraid that the cost to get to #2 will be crazy, and you can't pay all of that for someone unproven.

He’s NBA ready. Look at his workout with Giannis and Ace Bailey.


#8
#26
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Cam Johnson
Philly’s 2027 unprotected 1st
2027 NYK pick swap

For #2 pick


The Spurs aren't looking for quantity, they're looking for quality. No reason to trade a guy that will pair with Wemby for the next decade plus for a bunch of more dubious picks.
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Post#34 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed May 28, 2025 1:38 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I'm afraid that the cost to get to #2 will be crazy, and you can't pay all of that for someone unproven.

I’m not even including my opinion on Harper, but just speaking on the value for unproven guy statement.

Imagine Dallas had felt that way when trading up for Luka?

Whats your opinion on Harper

I love Harper’s tools, he’s a massively underrated athlete in the Harden-sense. I like his court vision, feel for the game, creativity and ability to run an offense and run the break. I like his shooting and love his long term potential to exponentially improve there. I don’t love his motor, and think he gets way too down on himself and maybe more importantly, his teammates, far too often.

He floats way too much for my liking for a player of his ilk at the college level, and of his massive potential at the next. Seems disinterested/disconnected and defeated by any adversity or lulls in the game. I really question his leadership ability or mindset to takeover when the chips are down.

But I think he’s a can’t miss stats and highlights guy and will at worst have some floor raising success. I think the right environment and coaching/mentoring will have a much bigger impact on him then that cliche usually actually does.

He can be a top 3 in the league player and get MVP’s and lead his team to chips, or he can be a stats guy who maxes out with a couple playoff series before he’s traded around.
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Post#35 » by Netaman » Wed May 28, 2025 10:32 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Eatgreenz wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I’m not even including my opinion on Harper, but just speaking on the value for unproven guy statement.

Imagine Dallas had felt that way when trading up for Luka?

Whats your opinion on Harper

I love Harper’s tools, he’s a massively underrated athlete in the Harden-sense. I like his court vision, feel for the game, creativity and ability to run an offense and run the break. I like his shooting and love his long term potential to exponentially improve there. I don’t love his motor, and think he gets way too down on himself and maybe more importantly, his teammates, far too often.

He floats way too much for my liking for a player of his ilk at the college level, and of his massive potential at the next. Seems disinterested/disconnected and defeated by any adversity or lulls in the game. I really question his leadership ability or mindset to takeover when the chips are down.

But I think he’s a can’t miss stats and highlights guy and will at worst have some floor raising success. I think the right environment and coaching/mentoring will have a much bigger impact on him then that cliche usually actually does.

He can be a top 3 in the league player and get MVP’s and lead his team to chips, or he can be a stats guy who maxes out with a couple playoff series before he’s traded around.


Anyone popping for you in the 3-10 range? If they can't get Harper I find myself really hoping for Fears or Kon because they seem to be the most mutli dimensional scorers of the rest.

Fears has some shades of Kyrie getting to the hoop, and even if the shot doesn't fully develop I could see a De'Aron Fox type outcome. Kon has the shooting ability but with more size and tools in his bag than the typical Duke knockdown shooter. I could see a Klay Thompson or Hayward type of outcome there. Others have intriguing qualities but those are the 2 im most excited to see in mocks.
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Post#36 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu May 29, 2025 1:12 am

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Eatgreenz wrote:Whats your opinion on Harper

I love Harper’s tools, he’s a massively underrated athlete in the Harden-sense. I like his court vision, feel for the game, creativity and ability to run an offense and run the break. I like his shooting and love his long term potential to exponentially improve there. I don’t love his motor, and think he gets way too down on himself and maybe more importantly, his teammates, far too often.

He floats way too much for my liking for a player of his ilk at the college level, and of his massive potential at the next. Seems disinterested/disconnected and defeated by any adversity or lulls in the game. I really question his leadership ability or mindset to takeover when the chips are down.

But I think he’s a can’t miss stats and highlights guy and will at worst have some floor raising success. I think the right environment and coaching/mentoring will have a much bigger impact on him then that cliche usually actually does.

He can be a top 3 in the league player and get MVP’s and lead his team to chips, or he can be a stats guy who maxes out with a couple playoff series before he’s traded around.


Anyone popping for you in the 3-10 range? If they can't get Harper I find myself really hoping for Fears or Kon because they seem to be the most mutli dimensional scorers of the rest.

Fears has some shades of Kyrie getting to the hoop, and even if the shot doesn't fully develop I could see a De'Aron Fox type outcome. Kon has the shooting ability but with more size and tools in his bag than the typical Duke knockdown shooter. I could see a Klay Thompson or Hayward type of outcome there. Others have intriguing qualities but those are the 2 im most excited to see in mocks.

I haven’t been up on this draft nearly as much as I would have liked during a tank year, but:

Tre Johnson is probably my guy after Flagg and Harper.

After that I have to take the chance on Ace.

Next I’ll go curveball and go Will Riley.

I like VJ a lot too.

Fears I’m like half in on, I see a lot more Schröder then Kyrie.

Traore is actually still reasonably high on my board as well, along with Noa Essengue.

I don’t hate Kneuppel or Sorber or KJ either.
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Post#37 » by Netaman » Fri May 30, 2025 12:44 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
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vincecarter4pres wrote:I love Harper’s tools, he’s a massively underrated athlete in the Harden-sense. I like his court vision, feel for the game, creativity and ability to run an offense and run the break. I like his shooting and love his long term potential to exponentially improve there. I don’t love his motor, and think he gets way too down on himself and maybe more importantly, his teammates, far too often.

He floats way too much for my liking for a player of his ilk at the college level, and of his massive potential at the next. Seems disinterested/disconnected and defeated by any adversity or lulls in the game. I really question his leadership ability or mindset to takeover when the chips are down.

But I think he’s a can’t miss stats and highlights guy and will at worst have some floor raising success. I think the right environment and coaching/mentoring will have a much bigger impact on him then that cliche usually actually does.

He can be a top 3 in the league player and get MVP’s and lead his team to chips, or he can be a stats guy who maxes out with a couple playoff series before he’s traded around.


Anyone popping for you in the 3-10 range? If they can't get Harper I find myself really hoping for Fears or Kon because they seem to be the most mutli dimensional scorers of the rest.

Fears has some shades of Kyrie getting to the hoop, and even if the shot doesn't fully develop I could see a De'Aron Fox type outcome. Kon has the shooting ability but with more size and tools in his bag than the typical Duke knockdown shooter. I could see a Klay Thompson or Hayward type of outcome there. Others have intriguing qualities but those are the 2 im most excited to see in mocks.

I haven’t been up on this draft nearly as much as I would have liked during a tank year, but:

Tre Johnson is probably my guy after Flagg and Harper.

After that I have to take the chance on Ace.

Next I’ll go curveball and go Will Riley.

I like VJ a lot too.

Fears I’m like half in on, I see a lot more Schröder then Kyrie.

Traore is actually still reasonably high on my board as well, along with Noa Essengue.

I don’t hate Kneuppel or Sorber or KJ either.


im a fan of a bunch of those names as well. Murray Broyles too. and Queen. and Jaku. Wouldn't hate Demin either. I'm basically a fan of guys who are good playmakers with at least 1 other skill (be it handles or shooting ability or defense, or ideally 2 of those 3).

I think they are going to be able to get 2 quality prospects this year, and with the extra ammo should be able to manipulate their way into tier differentials where they seem them. Like if there are 5 prospects on a different level, and then 16 total a cut above I think they are going to be able to manipulate their way to moving up for 1 of their 5 and 2 of their 16 with those first 2 picks.

Marks has always been active at the draft and with all the picks, cap room, and vets he can trade I think he is going to be highly involved.
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Post#38 » by Eatgreenz » Fri May 30, 2025 11:13 am

Im starting to like essengue,he has some crazy potential
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Post#39 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat May 31, 2025 1:59 am

I just want us to trade off of the 8. I don’t care if we move up or down, or if it’s one spot either way. I’m only a hair superstitious, but that 8 slot specifically has been hot fried garbage almost every season in the last 25 years sans Franz Wagner, and literally like 2 legit good players on top of that and maybe 4 fringe starters. We’re talking like 18 out of 25 were straight busts. A lot of 1st round picks flame out, but 8th overall produces so many dumpster fire scrubs and like no franchise guys unless Wagner continues improving.

Yuck.
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Post#40 » by NetSymptom » Sat May 31, 2025 2:19 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:I just want us to trade off of the 8. I don’t care if we move up or down, or if it’s one spot either way. I’m only a hair superstitious, but that 8 slot specifically has been hot fried garbage almost every season in the last 25 years sans Franz Wagner, and literally like 2 legit good players on top of that and maybe 4 fringe starters. We’re talking like 18 out of 25 were straight busts. A lot of 1st round picks flame out, but 8th overall produces so many dumpster fire scrubs and like no franchise guys unless Wagner continues improving.

Yuck.


Honestly dude, if you want to move off of 8 just due to past player performance, you sound like you are more than just a little stitous

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