Most likely offseason outcome

[Guru]

I don't think there is a scenario with his contract where we get nothing for him. But I do think AKME could tell themselves he's worth keeping to go on another potential run.

I'm not sure how "not well" you meant by saying he isn't playing well, but the teams looking to take him at the deadline are going to be the teams gearing up for that year's playoffs. Since Coby is a UFA that can't be extended early, it's less likely a team would look to bring him in just to gain bird rights, especially since there are expected to be a good number of cap room teams.

In that case, I think he has to be playing well enough to be more appealing than other short term options, and since most teams in this spot are looking for 3&D type guys, and Coby isn't a defender, he's going to have to be doing quite well on offense IMO.

I think you misread my post. And then were kind of a jerk about it.

[dougthonus]

I don't think there is a scenario with his contract where we get nothing for him. But I do think AKME could tell themselves he's worth keeping to go on another potential run.

I'm not sure how "not well" you meant by saying he isn't playing well, but the teams looking to take him at the deadline are going to be the teams gearing up for that year's playoffs. Since Coby is a UFA that can't be extended early, it's less likely a team would look to bring him in just to gain bird rights, especially since there are expected to be a good number of cap room teams.

In that case, I think he has to be playing well enough to be more appealing than other short term options, and since most teams in this spot are looking for 3&D type guys, and Coby isn't a defender, he's going to have to be doing quite well on offense IMO.

I think you misread my post. And then were kind of a jerk about it.

I see where I misread what you wrote, you were talking about the team not playing well rather than Coby. I'm not sure what I wrote back that makes you think I was being a jerk. I didn't discount or insult your opinion. I stated where I think Coby's value will be in different scenarios and why.

[Guru]

I'm not sure how "not well" you meant by saying he isn't playing well, but the teams looking to take him at the deadline are going to be the teams gearing up for that year's playoffs. Since Coby is a UFA that can't be extended early, it's less likely a team would look to bring him in just to gain bird rights, especially since there are expected to be a good number of cap room teams.

In that case, I think he has to be playing well enough to be more appealing than other short term options, and since most teams in this spot are looking for 3&D type guys, and Coby isn't a defender, he's going to have to be doing quite well on offense IMO.

I think you misread my post. And then were kind of a jerk about it.

I see where I misread what you wrote, you were talking about the team not playing well rather than Coby. I'm not sure what I wrote back that makes you think I was being a jerk. I didn't discount or insult your opinion. I stated where I think Coby's value will be in different scenarios and why.

I always take that emoji as being condescending. My bad. He's staring at me though... Judging me......

[drosestruts]

The Bulls, like most teams, will make minimal changes to their roster in the offseason. Even moreso this year with some many roster spots already filled.

[kodo]

AK is always very transparent, but fans always think something else is going on behind the scenes. Last year everyone was convinced AK was tanking and blowing it up and he said we're going for the playoffs, and that's exactly what we did.

AK was pretty clear in his press conference:
- The main message he said over & over again is that fans need patience. Patience means he's going to stick with this team.
- The improvements include adding a lottery player
- Adding a "piece" in free agency, sounds like a roleplayer or bench player
- Most of the improvement will come from young players improving in the summer. That's the real plan for improvement, our players just getting older.

He said multiple times we finished 15 & 5, the Bulls cherry pick a part of the season special, so that's all the evidence he needs to run it back.
I do think Vuc has a chance of being moved because Vuc himself doesn't want to be here, and we know he was mentioned frequently at the deadline.

I don't think option #5, making some big trade for Giannis or KD, is really even an option. Even the most attainable trade the Zion one, most people here assume it's a straight salary dump and we just get Zion for basically nothing. I don't think that's even remotely close to being true.

[dougthonus]

I think you misread my post. And then were kind of a jerk about it.

I see where I misread what you wrote, you were talking about the team not playing well rather than Coby. I'm not sure what I wrote back that makes you think I was being a jerk. I didn't discount or insult your opinion. I stated where I think Coby's value will be in different scenarios and why.

I always take that emoji as being condescending. My bad. He's staring at me though... Judging me......

HAha, I take it literally, it's the "don't know", maybe I should stop using it if people think it's offensive. I use it to mean "maybe, maybe not".

[HearshotKDS]

I voted for #12, Giddey, and trading Vuc along with signing/bringing back in trade 1, maybe 2 roleplayers. I choose to interpret moving Lavine this year as FO acknowledging they need to retool from the previous big 3. Thats one of what should be a handful of reasons why they move Vuc, bringing back Giddey as a new key piece to the go-forward team helps AKME sell to fans/owners/themselves that its retooling on the fly and not crashing out which theres likely no appetite for in the building. And thats all they really seem to have room to reasonably do, its the least effort to clear the lowest bar but its not the absolute "did nothing" offseason.

[Pipp33]

For me, if he can change the C spot and nothing else, it's a move forward.

I'd rather go into next season with Collins/Smith as the C rotation and nothing else, than have Vuc on the team. Ideally we could upgrade that position

Moving away from Vuc is the most important move (other than re-signing Giddey), as his style of play does not suit where we are going. Giddey and Matas are the only considerations for me when planning the building of this roster. Both are young enough to not rush building out the roster and in another season of development, it's possible we'll be on the right path to actually recruit good players.

Yes, Coby is important, but he's really suited to being a excellent 6th man on a good playoff team. For the right return, I'd trade Coby in a heartbeat.

I'd like to see us target some young players who've shown glimpses, but not had the game time to break out (players like Jabari Smith Jr, Jarace Walker, Whitmore, Knetch). They won't all be available, but worth a conversation

[Wingy]

Where’s the Coby/PWill/Jalen Smith/fillers/#12/Portland pick for Jamal Murray trade? Now that’s the AK Special.

[Chi town]

Resign Giddey, Pick 12, trade Vuc maybe with someone to clear a roster spot.

I think AK will make his big trade at this deadline. Which will most likely be too late.

[kodo]

Assuming Brooklyn/Toronto draft Maluach/Queen as expected, both Claxton and Poeltl should be available via trade. Neither are world beaters, but I just want someone who jumps when Tyler Herro goes in for his 30th paint shot in an elimination game.

[meekrab]

Counting Giddey we have 12 roster spots committed. Carter absolutely picks up his option, First Round pick gets signed, we likely re-sign Tre Jones.

Outside of an unlikely trade that's the offseason.

[Hangtime84]

Big summer moves. AK is **** these picks if a "star" is available.

The real one is Giannis, but Zion to pair with Josh/Matas not sure if Coby will be here tho is nice.

Beginning of the season I was team Ayo,

Other than that operation light a fire under Patrick Williams and Matas ass this off season. Vuc/Ball or Vuc/Huerter for Kuminga S&T.

[Andi Obst]

I don't expect many moves for a lot of reasons that have already been mentioned in this thread. I could see a Carter dump and a trade of one of the bigs, especially if we draft a center. Not sure the big on the move would be Vuc, though. I could also see Jalen Smith being traded.

Run it back with minor adjustments, basically. The trade deadline could be more interesting.

[coldfish]

IMO, the plan is to do nothing and then remake the team the next offseason when they have capspace.

Its kind of dumb, I know. Good chance you lose both Coby and Ayo for nothing in that scenario.

[dougthonus]

IMO, the plan is to do nothing and then remake the team the next offseason when they have capspace.

Its kind of dumb, I know. Good chance you lose both Coby and Ayo for nothing in that scenario.

Math checks out vs decisions over the past 5 years.

The one thing I will say though is Coby's cap hold is 24M or so, so there is some arbitrage opportunity to use all your cap room outside his hold then sign him above his hold (assuming he is worthy of such a contract).

[sco]

IMO, the plan is to do nothing and then remake the team the next offseason when they have capspace.

Its kind of dumb, I know. Good chance you lose both Coby and Ayo for nothing in that scenario.

Math checks out vs decisions over the past 5 years.

The one thing I will say though is Coby's cap hold is 24M or so, so there is some arbitrage opportunity to use all your cap room outside his hold then sign him above his hold (assuming he is worthy of such a contract).

Honestly, it's not that dumb. Waiting a season to see if Coby's elevated play is real or a mirage isn't a bad move...I'm skeptical based on how he finished the season. He very well could be just a bumslayer who looked good because half the league was either injured or tanking. In that case, his market value will drop. That said, I'm rooting for him because he strikes me as a hard worker and those guys always outperform expectations. If he shows he can excel against good teams, I have no problem paying up.

Ayo, sort of same deal. He's been on a downward trajectory since his rookie season. His defense went from above average to just average. Think he bulked up and lost quickness like Lauri, PWill and Carter. I think his likely scenario will be that he is our 9th/10th man next season with a down year in scoring (impacted by his shoulder recovery). There's a good chance he can be kept for cheap, which I'd do with his bounce-back upside.

[sco]

I would be pretty content if AK just gets lucky again and makes a good pick at 12, resigns Giddey and Jones (who I think has the ability to be a very good role player for us like a McConnell).

If somehow Vuc is traded for a player who just sits on the bench, I'd be even more excited. I think Vuc being here another year will delay the development of Matas, which should be a top priority.

[dougthonus]

Honestly, it's not that dumb. Waiting a season to see if Coby's elevated play is real or a mirage isn't a bad move...I'm skeptical based on how he finished the season. He very well could be just a bumslayer who looked good because half the league was either injured or tanking. In that case, his market value will drop. That said, I'm rooting for him because he strikes me as a hard worker and those guys always outperform expectations. If he shows he can excel against good teams, I have no problem paying up.

Ayo, sort of same deal. He's been on a downward trajectory since his rookie season. His defense went from above average to just average. Think he bulked up and lost quickness like Lauri, PWill and Carter. I think his likely scenario will be that he is our 9th/10th man next season with a down year in scoring (impacted by his shoulder recovery). There's a good chance he can be kept for cheap, which I'd do with his bounce-back upside.

In a sense, it may not be that dumb, only because you've done dumb stuff for so long, that there is almost no dumb move, because you've boxed yourself in so much that there really is no good move either. You are left with a long list of 'meh' moves to remain the 20th-ish best team in the league.

[sco]

Honestly, it's not that dumb. Waiting a season to see if Coby's elevated play is real or a mirage isn't a bad move...I'm skeptical based on how he finished the season. He very well could be just a bumslayer who looked good because half the league was either injured or tanking. In that case, his market value will drop. That said, I'm rooting for him because he strikes me as a hard worker and those guys always outperform expectations. If he shows he can excel against good teams, I have no problem paying up.

Ayo, sort of same deal. He's been on a downward trajectory since his rookie season. His defense went from above average to just average. Think he bulked up and lost quickness like Lauri, PWill and Carter. I think his likely scenario will be that he is our 9th/10th man next season with a down year in scoring (impacted by his shoulder recovery). There's a good chance he can be kept for cheap, which I'd do with his bounce-back upside.

In a sense, it may not be that dumb, only because you've done dumb stuff for so long, that there is almost no dumb move, because you've boxed yourself in so much that there really is no good move either. You are left with a long list of 'meh' moves to remain the 20th-ish best team in the league.

So here's my optimistic view. This team is a good defensive C, good POA defender, an improved Matas, and a sustained Coby away from being a legit playoff team. All very possible. If somehow we replace Coby with a top 20 player, we could be downright exciting.