2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8

[arbsn]

To me, the top 8 is clear... I really don't have a feel for who should be 9 between Jase, Kasparas and Egor. I'd probably go Kasparas with a gun to my head right now. Also feel like Fleming might be extremely underrated and there are a bunch of international players who might end up being steals like Traore, Essengue, Saraf, Gonzalez

1) Flagg
2) Harper
3) Edgecombe
4) Bailey
5) Fears
6) Knueppel
7) Queen
8) Tre
9) Kasparas


For our second round pick I'd really love to take one of these international guys... Markovic, Yang, Diawara, Penda, Saraf, Gonzalez could all be there at 39

[Tha Cynic]

Jase Richardson has true three level scoring ability that can't be ignored:

49.3% from the field
41.2% from three
83.6% free throw

68.8% at the rim
43% mid-range
39% dribble jumpers
42.9% spot-up 3's
45.7% catch-and-shoot 3s

He creates his own shot and finishes from any place on the court. He has the footwork and IQ to read the floor. Reminds me a bit of IQ coming out of college, but I see the upside to be more because he is tough, and willing to defend and grab boards when needed. He's the guy who wants to carry his team but doesn't in a smart low turnover / high percentage shooting way. Size is going to be a question but the NBA always has room for talent and guys who don't fit a perfect mold.

Watch on YouTube

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He's also Jamal Shead's height while weighing 20lbs lighter.

Going to be a tough draft for the Raptors.

[Tha Cynic]

Jase Richardson has true three level scoring ability that can't be ignored:

49.3% from the field
41.2% from three
83.6% free throw

68.8% at the rim
43% mid-range
39% dribble jumpers
42.9% spot-up 3's
45.7% catch-and-shoot 3s

He creates his own shot and finishes from any place on the court. He has the footwork and IQ to read the floor. Reminds me a bit of IQ coming out of college, but I see the upside to be more because he is tough, and willing to defend and grab boards when needed. He's the guy who wants to carry his team but doesn't in a smart low turnover / high percentage shooting way. Size is going to be a question but the NBA always has room for talent and guys who don't fit a perfect mold.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NoCeilingsNBA

He's also Jamal Shead's height while weighing 20lbs lighter. I guess we can hope he becomes a Darius Garland type.

Going to be a tough draft for the Raptors.

[DreamTeam09]

Pray for Maluach at 9

He will be at 9, no teams above wants him.
Nets already looking to trade up for Fears, meaning Pelicans is also looking for Fears, while Wizards rumours to be with Queen.
And most likely we will pass as well.

Wanna bet ?

[Clutch0z24]

Jase Richardson has true three level scoring ability that can't be ignored:

49.3% from the field
41.2% from three
83.6% free throw

68.8% at the rim
43% mid-range
39% dribble jumpers
42.9% spot-up 3's
45.7% catch-and-shoot 3s

He creates his own shot and finishes from any place on the court. He has the footwork and IQ to read the floor. Reminds me a bit of IQ coming out of college, but I see the upside to be more because he is tough, and willing to defend and grab boards when needed. He's the guy who wants to carry his team but doesn't in a smart low turnover / high percentage shooting way. Size is going to be a question but the NBA always has room for talent and guys who don't fit a perfect mold.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NoCeilingsNBA

He's also Jamal Shead's height while weighing 20lbs lighter.

Going to be a tough draft for the Raptors.

Shaed has a 6'3" wingspan vs Jase 6'6" ...Jase also the more athletic player......But difference is Jase can score in a verity of ways at an elite level....Shaed not so much....If you are comparing the 2 its not even close....And if a role player like Shaed is stopping you from drafting a better PG than that would be a mistake because Shaed is not good enough to not draft talent in the draft....I don't think any player on this roster is good enough for us to draft for position.....You go BPA and if Masai thinks Jase is BPA ....Shaed isn't going to be the reason he will pass up on that...

[HolyMage110]

Officially on the cedric coward and Carter Bryant train. Coward might be old but he’s a for sure stud

[Yallbecrazy]

I'm trying to find examples of high oBPM players who busted in the NBA that didn't play with other high oBPM players in college. Ayton is kind of an example, but he isn't a full bust and it's his defense that has been the disappointment.

Essentially I have a hunch that spacing really impacts offense in college too.

[ciueli]

Thought he could go higher in the draft if he had a good year with a bigger school, and he appears to be right. Even though it was only 6 games, he was still impressive in those games.

Using a 6 game sample size as an indication of anything is not something that makes much sense to me. Even if I could accept that a 6 game sample size is somehow useful, the numbers per 40 are similar to what Coward put up the previous season, there is some improvement in a few areas but again it's a tiny 6 game sample size and you expect a player to improve the longer they stay in college, you expect a player who will be 22 before he plays a single NBA game to be close to a finished product.

Even though he missed most of the year, there's still skill developmental that occurs. Maybe he gets a little bigger, puts on more weight/muscle over 12 months. Whatever it was, he's impressed a lot more scouts this year.

He still has 70+ college games for scouts to evaluate.

The other problem is that he's coming off multiple injuries (apparently articular cartilage tear, jagged rotator cuff, partially torn labrum) which sound serious, maybe he is fine now but it's just completely unheard of to me for a player to have those types of injuries, barely play in a season and yet be much more sought after as a prospect than the previous season when he was younger and the talent pool was weaker (just look at the SFs taken in the back third of the 2024 first round). It's really strange. Not saying he shouldn't go in the first round of this draft, but I'll be absolutely shocked if he's our pick at 9.

[Tha Cynic]

Jase Richardson has true three level scoring ability that can't be ignored:

49.3% from the field
41.2% from three
83.6% free throw

68.8% at the rim
43% mid-range
39% dribble jumpers
42.9% spot-up 3's
45.7% catch-and-shoot 3s

He creates his own shot and finishes from any place on the court. He has the footwork and IQ to read the floor. Reminds me a bit of IQ coming out of college, but I see the upside to be more because he is tough, and willing to defend and grab boards when needed. He's the guy who wants to carry his team but doesn't in a smart low turnover / high percentage shooting way. Size is going to be a question but the NBA always has room for talent and guys who don't fit a perfect mold.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NoCeilingsNBA

He's also Jamal Shead's height while weighing 20lbs lighter.

Going to be a tough draft for the Raptors.

Shaed has a 6'3" wingspan vs Jase 6'6" ...Jase also the more athletic player......But difference is Jase can score in a verity of ways at an elite level....Shaed not so much....If you are comparing the 2 its not even close....And if a role player like Shaed is stopping you from drafting a better PG than that would be a mistake because Shaed is not good enough to not draft talent in the draft....I don't think any player on this roster is good enough for us to draft for position.....You go BPA and if Masai thinks Jase is BPA ....Shaed isn't going to be the reason he will pass up on that...

It was more to give an idea of how short and slight he is. That’s why I said Darius Garland after. Jase’s height is a big detractor, but his creation ability is enticing. That’s why I said it’s going to be a tough decision. Coward also looks very good.

This is the type to draft where I would look hard at moving RJ or Dick for another first rounder

[Clutch0z24]

He's also Jamal Shead's height while weighing 20lbs lighter.

Going to be a tough draft for the Raptors.

Shaed has a 6'3" wingspan vs Jase 6'6" ...Jase also the more athletic player......But difference is Jase can score in a verity of ways at an elite level....Shaed not so much....If you are comparing the 2 its not even close....And if a role player like Shaed is stopping you from drafting a better PG than that would be a mistake because Shaed is not good enough to not draft talent in the draft....I don't think any player on this roster is good enough for us to draft for position.....You go BPA and if Masai thinks Jase is BPA ....Shaed isn't going to be the reason he will pass up on that...

It was more to give an idea of how short and slight he is. That’s why I said Darius Garland after. Jase’s height is a big detractor, but his creation ability is enticing. That’s why I said it’s going to be a tough decision. Coward also looks very good.

This is the type to draft where I would look hard at moving RJ or Dick for another first rounder

Yeah i get it ....Alot of people see tall and think better....But imo Jase is more talented than majority of the tall players in this draft....I like Coward as well but i think Jase will be developed more as a PG and is younger.....I think this team desperatly needs a Haili/Brunson type of guy....I believe in the 9th pick area Jase is the closest you might get at a player like that....You deff need make decisions if you draft Coward ....But i would not be upset at Coward....If you can somehow get both Coward and Jase that would be a great draft for us but i don't think Dick would have that kind of value...RJ maybe...

[Indeed]

Pray for Maluach at 9

He will be at 9, no teams above wants him.
Nets already looking to trade up for Fears, meaning Pelicans is also looking for Fears, while Wizards rumours to be with Queen.
And most likely we will pass as well.

Wanna bet ?

What exactly is your claim? Raptors will draft Maluach?

[WuTang_CMB]

I think KM will be there at 9
A lot of these teams are not going to risk it IMO cuz they all want their scoring guards .. at the end of the day he's still a project
and I would rank a bunch of guys ahead of him that are more proven

[DreamTeam09]

He will be at 9, no teams above wants him.
Nets already looking to trade up for Fears, meaning Pelicans is also looking for Fears, while Wizards rumours to be with Queen.
And most likely we will pass as well.

Wanna bet ?

What exactly is your claim? Raptors will draft Maluach?

Yeah if he's on the board of course

[ciueli]

I just looked this up, past ten years there are only two All-Star players who spent more than 2 seasons in college, Jalen Brunson and Jalen Williams, both were 3 year players. There hasn't been a senior college player become an All-Star since Damian Lillard in 2012. Not saying you can't draft an older player and have them be a star, but the odds are really stacked against it.

[Clutch0z24]

I just looked this up, past ten years there are only two All-Star players who spent more than 2 seasons in college, Jalen Brunson and Jalen Williams, both were 3 year players. There hasn't been a senior college player become an All-Star since Damian Lillard in 2012. Not saying you can't draft an older player and have them be a star, but the odds are really stacked against it.

For Coward ....He would have to be put in the right situation right away....Since he won't have 3 years to develop like the 19 year olds do ....So for Coward to become an all star type he needs to go to a team that gives him a good chunk of mins asap and gives him a good role...Or yeah could see it being not the greatest...But he has alot of tools in his game that makes him have the upside advantage on some of these 19 year olds.

For Raps there is a chance we could package RJ or Dick for an upgrade in other areas this offseason and bet on Coward as the starting or bench SG on a cheaper contract....But it would be a gamble either way...

[Indeed]

Wanna bet ?

What exactly is your claim? Raptors will draft Maluach?

Yeah if he's on the board of course

Who is taking him above us?
I still don't get the hype. He was measured one of the worst outside of wingspan and standing reach.

[DreamTeam09]

What exactly is your claim? Raptors will draft Maluach?

Yeah if he's on the board of course

Who is taking him above us?
I still don't get the hype. He was measured one of the worst outside of wingspan and standing reach.

I unno who's above is taking him, I'm hoping he falls to 9 and if he is there at 9 the Raptors will select him for a myriad of reasons

[CoinTossRoss31]

Jase/Coward/Flemming/Bryant

Unless we are in love with one of them I would love to roll the dice and see whos still there if we traded down to say 13 + 22 from ATL

[OakleyDokely]

I just looked this up, past ten years there are only two All-Star players who spent more than 2 seasons in college, Jalen Brunson and Jalen Williams, both were 3 year players. There hasn't been a senior college player become an All-Star since Damian Lillard in 2012. Not saying you can't draft an older player and have them be a star, but the odds are really stacked against it.

For Coward ....He would have to be put in the right situation right away....Since he won't have 3 years to develop like the 19 year olds do ....So for Coward to become an all star type he needs to go to a team that gives him a good chunk of mins asap and gives him a good role...Or yeah could see it being not the greatest...But he has alot of tools in his game that makes him have the upside advantage on some of these 19 year olds.

For Raps there is a chance we could package RJ or Dick for an upgrade in other areas this offseason and bet on Coward as the starting or bench SG on a cheaper contract....But it would be a gamble either way...

Coward still isn't even old though, especially compared to most juniors/seniors. He's still 21 years old and doesn't turn 22 for a few months. You have freshman in this class who are already ~20-20.5 years old like Kon, VJ, Queen etc.

[Clutch0z24]

I just looked this up, past ten years there are only two All-Star players who spent more than 2 seasons in college, Jalen Brunson and Jalen Williams, both were 3 year players. There hasn't been a senior college player become an All-Star since Damian Lillard in 2012. Not saying you can't draft an older player and have them be a star, but the odds are really stacked against it.

For Coward ....He would have to be put in the right situation right away....Since he won't have 3 years to develop like the 19 year olds do ....So for Coward to become an all star type he needs to go to a team that gives him a good chunk of mins asap and gives him a good role...Or yeah could see it being not the greatest...But he has alot of tools in his game that makes him have the upside advantage on some of these 19 year olds.

For Raps there is a chance we could package RJ or Dick for an upgrade in other areas this offseason and bet on Coward as the starting or bench SG on a cheaper contract....But it would be a gamble either way...

Coward still isn't even old though, especially compared to most juniors/seniors. He's still 21 years old and doesn't turn 22 for a few months. You have freshman in this class who are already ~20-20.5 years old like Kon, VJ, Queen etc.

Yeah i guess being 22 though in your rookie year is a little on the older side...In 3 years where a 19 year old would be just turning 22 Coward will be just turning 25....Sometimes these players have a harder path because they don't have the years to fully develop....But i agree Coward is way more skilled than majority of the players at 9th and should be considered despite being 2 years older than these guys...He needs the right situation to become a star...Which means we would need to make some roster moves if he is the pick...