Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented?

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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#21 » by JN61 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:44 am

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rand wrote:Right but what's the difference from last year? Small sample but a giant disparity in 40+ and 50+ point games.

Has there been giant difference to the last year? If I remember right there was outrage post like this last year as well.

Didn't you read the OP? The numbers are there, 300% increase. You can say small sample but not that there isn't a giant difference thus far.

I searched and in October 7 such games. While a bit of outlier I don't think it's anything we haven't seen for a while.
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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#22 » by rand » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:46 am

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JN61 wrote:Has there been giant difference to the last year? If I remember right there was outrage post like this last year as well.

Didn't you read the OP? The numbers are there, 300% increase. You can say small sample but not that there isn't a giant difference thus far.

I searched and in October 7 such games. While a bit of outlier I don't think it's anything we haven't seen for a while.

Yeah, so in the entire month of October last season there were just over half as many 40+ point games as in the first six days of this season.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was by far the most 40+ and 50+ point games in the first six days of any season ever (well not counting when Wilt averaged 50). Outlier indeed.
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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#23 » by Mavrelous » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:48 am

Heliocentric 4-out and 5-out style is taking over.
Giannis is moving into heliocentric role and he no longer has Dame/Jrue/KMidd to off load to, SGA is playing w/o JDubb, Luka w/o LBJ, Reaves w/o Luka/LBJ, the probability of occurrence is higher than before.
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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#24 » by JN61 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:49 am

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rand wrote:Didn't you read the OP? The numbers are there, 300% increase. You can say small sample but not that there isn't a giant difference thus far.

I searched and in October 7 such games. While a bit of outlier I don't think it's anything we haven't seen for a while.

Yeah, so in the entire month of October last season there were almost half as many 40+ point games as in the first six days of this season.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was by far the most 40+ and 50+ point games in the first six days of any season ever.

And if you stretch it to end of November and lower the qualification to 38 (is that really that much different than 40) you get basically 30 such games from different players and wasn't last season supposed to be more tightly refereed game... This seems to be nightly occurring thing these days to score that 40 range. But I don't know why anyone is surprised after decade of stripping away defences from this league and as a result defenders do not care or take pride on defending their man. Just focus on scoring themselves.
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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#25 » by Bloodbather » Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:57 am

SGA is missing JDub, Doncic is missing LeBron, Giannis has no second option, etc.
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Re: Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented? 

Post#26 » by Wagonband » Mon Oct 27, 2025 10:07 am

Bloodbather wrote:It's pretty simple. Most role players learned how to shoot threes which led to a lot more space on the floor for the best scorers. Pace has gone up, also. Rules haven't been adjusted in light of this development, so high scoring performances have become more common place.


Yeah agreed, but why would the rules be adjusted. Who's to say a good average for a player is 25 ppg and we should only have 1 or 2 players average above 30 and max 25 players average above 20. We just need to accept the new reality.
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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#27 » by Deivork » Mon Oct 27, 2025 10:20 am

What I've observed is an even softer whistle than ever before. You literally can't touch anybody, unless you're attacking. Then push off all you want. It's just stupid.
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Re: Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented? 

Post#28 » by Rdude22 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 10:42 am

Of the top 25 scorers last year, how many actually averaged 30ppg? Just 2 (Shai and Giannis) or 3 if you round up (Jokic).

Next guy avg 27 (Ant), 4 guys avg 26 (JT, KD, Cade, Brunson), 1 avg 25 (Booker) and everyone else between 24 and 21… with Powell and JDub rounding out the top 25.

All of those guys would put up similar numbers as a 1 or 2 option in any era of the past 25 years.

You could argue the 3-ball was underutilized for decades until the past 10-12 years, which is why there’s more ppl cracking the low 20s in ppg now. Yet only the elite guys (Shai, Giannis, healthy versions of Luka, Embiid) routinely get to 30ppg.
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Re: Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented? 

Post#29 » by bonita_the_frog » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:11 am

I wonder why only ONE scoring champion since Kobe Bryant has scored 35ppg... and it was James Harden 36.1ppg

And last season only TWO players averaged 30ppg, Giannis 30.4 and Shai 32.7

Why is nobody equaling Jordan's 37.1ppg and 63 point playoff game and 41.0ppg in the NBA Finals?
And last season the average 3pt% was .360, and only .354 in the playoffs, and 3-pointers are supposed to make you talented :o

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Re: Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented? 

Post#30 » by JDR720 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:30 am

The top scorers average about the same PPG as they've done in the past.

The difference is there are a lot more 20-23ppg players these days due to the spacing/shooting and movement based offenses. Even the bad teams have at least 1, sometimes even 2-3, 20PPG players.

Not the best comparison, but look at the Hornets/Bobcats teams.

The "best" Bobcats team that made the playoffs that one time against the LeBron Heat team started Kemba/Gerald Henderson/MKG/Josh McRoberts and Al Jefferson. That's 3 non-shooters, one good shooter, and Kemba.

The current Hornets starters (in the Wizards game) were Melo/Sexton/Kon/Miles/Kalkbrenner. That's 3 very good/elite shooters, an average shooter, and one non-shooter.

The difference between the offensive talent between those 2 teams is large, and that's for average/below average teams in their respective eras. The offensive gap between teams from 10-12 years ago and today is very large.
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Re: Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented? 

Post#31 » by TheCage4 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 12:52 pm

Silver & Co. have changed the rules so much that it's like watching NBA2K in real life. I also believe that player effort on the defensive end is at an all time low. Defense just isn't "fun" for the majority of players.
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Re: Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented? 

Post#32 » by Chokic » Mon Oct 27, 2025 12:59 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Well it is both, but it is too easy to score in the NBA. Malachi Flynn had a 50 point game in the NBA, that should never happen, NBA should be allowing more physical defense, because with spacing NBA offenses are too talented now, and when you add that rules also favor offense, it just created complete imbalance of the game. Lowest scoring team this year is Boston and they still socre 108. Denver and Hornets are now at 132 points per game. Scoring is so trivial it is not even entertaining anymore, getting stops started to get more entertaining because it s rarer.



The nba and the commissioner are so caught up with trying to make the game fan friendly as possible by making it high scoring shootout that theyve totally missed the point of sports. Sports is about intense level competition to prove who's the best.

What makes the game fun for fans is the intensity level and not necessarily a high scoring game. Nobody cares about the nba all star game and how many three pointers or dunks you can make bc the intensity level is so low. Ppl care about ncaa march madness Olympics basketball tournament and nba playoffs not just bc the stakes are higher but bc the passion and intensity level is there.

In the modern era the players from superstars down to end of bench reserves are way more offensively skilled than during Jordan's era. Why not make it more entertaining by raising the level of resistance.

Solution bring back hand checking and get rid of 3 second violation in the paint.

If youre worried about players getting injured shorten the season. Granted there are historical records and financial implications for owners by modifying this.

Solution shorten the season from 82 to 62 or even 50 games. Like the nfl the games are now much more meaningful players arent half assing it on the court to conserve their energy from the grind of 82 game season players like kawhi are much less inclined to load manage.

To adjust for less games played increase the duration of game. from 48 to 60 minutes. Get rid of overtime. If scores are tied heading into the last 5 minutes of game. Scores are reset to 0 and first team to score 20 wins.Less weird flight schedules for players giving players more time to recover from jetlag and back to backs.

Revenues can be adjusted and offset by charging more per regular season ticket with the increase in value per game. Salary reductions for nba with negotiation and setting up escrow to withhold players earnings if not certain requirements met. 50/50 split set up CBA will be modified. Players playing in smaller markets will be impacted more than those in larger markets so adjust the percentage for owners and players revenue split accordingly.
Im all for players getting their worth but the players have way too much leverage in today's game and its hurting the game.
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Re: Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented? 

Post#33 » by Liam_Gallagher » Mon Oct 27, 2025 12:59 pm

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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#34 » by art_tatum » Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:02 pm

also some OT games occurred
which made some players reach 40+
like the warriors OT game where old man curry dropped 40
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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#35 » by jasonxxx102 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:06 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
rand wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Really hard to play defense in todays NBA, with both the spacing and officiating.

Right but what's the difference from last year? Small sample but a giant disparity in 40+ and 50+ point games.


I only seen few games, so I am not sure what is the difference, beside the fact they went back to regular season reffing mode again and some guys getting 20 FTA per game. I do not get why NBA does this, where regular season and play offs are officiated differently, it just makes regular season even more useless.


I feel like if they treated every game like the playoffs guys would be exhausted by the end of the season and probably injured more often.

The idea is that you want the best basketball at the end of the season instead of burning these guys out in the beginning.

Plus, this is what the current generation prefers, this style of basketball. So the NBA is leaning into it
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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#36 » by The Servant » Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:07 pm

Couple OT games that have gone to double OT. People in here crying about officiating probably aren't even watching games considering these games had an extra 10 minutes of play time. Not unusual for a few players to start the year hot, some people are ready to go, and other players play themselves into shape. At the start of the season sometimes you see miss matches,
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Post#37 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:08 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Heliocentric 4-out and 5-out style is taking over.
Giannis is moving into heliocentric role and he no longer has Dame/Jrue/KMidd to off load to, SGA is playing w/o JDubb, Luka w/o LBJ, Reaves w/o Luka/LBJ, the probability of occurrence is higher than before.
FTs play a smaller role IMO, Reaves and SGA have been FT merchants since they rose to fame, it's not new.


Luka shooting more FTs per minute than Shai this season. The OG merchant.
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Re: Already 12 games of 40+ points, 3 of 50+ 

Post#38 » by Mavrelous » Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:11 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Heliocentric 4-out and 5-out style is taking over.
Giannis is moving into heliocentric role and he no longer has Dame/Jrue/KMidd to off load to, SGA is playing w/o JDubb, Luka w/o LBJ, Reaves w/o Luka/LBJ, the probability of occurrence is higher than before.
FTs play a smaller role IMO, Reaves and SGA have been FT merchants since they rose to fame, it's not new.


Luka shooting more FTs per minute than Shai this season. The OG merchant.

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Re: Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented? 

Post#39 » by Lockdown504090 » Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:18 pm

Chokic wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Well it is both, but it is too easy to score in the NBA. Malachi Flynn had a 50 point game in the NBA, that should never happen, NBA should be allowing more physical defense, because with spacing NBA offenses are too talented now, and when you add that rules also favor offense, it just created complete imbalance of the game. Lowest scoring team this year is Boston and they still socre 108. Denver and Hornets are now at 132 points per game. Scoring is so trivial it is not even entertaining anymore, getting stops started to get more entertaining because it s rarer.



The nba and the commissioner are so caught up with trying to make the game fan friendly as possible by making it high scoring shootout that theyve totally missed the point of sports. Sports is about intense level competition to prove who's the best.

What makes the game fun for fans is the intensity level and not necessarily a high scoring game. Nobody cares about the nba all star game and how many three pointers or dunks you can make bc the intensity level is so low. Ppl care about ncaa march madness Olympics basketball tournament and nba playoffs not just bc the stakes are higher but bc the passion and intensity level is there.

In the modern era the players from superstars down to end of bench reserves are way more offensively skilled than during Jordan's era. Why not make it more entertaining by raising the level of resistance.

Solution bring back hand checking and get rid of 3 second violation in the paint.

If youre worried about players getting injured shorten the season. Granted there are historical records and financial implications for owners by modifying this.

Solution shorten the season from 82 to 62 or even 50 games. Like the nfl the games are now much more meaningful players arent half assing it on the court to conserve their energy from the grind of 82 game season players like kawhi are much less inclined to load manage.

To adjust for less games played increase the duration of game. from 48 to 60 minutes. Get rid of overtime. If scores are tied heading into the last 5 minutes of game. Scores are reset to 0 and first team to score 20 wins.Less weird flight schedules for players giving players more time to recover from jetlag and back to backs.

Revenues can be adjusted and offset by charging more per regular season ticket with the increase in value per game. Salary reductions for nba with negotiation and setting up escrow to withhold players earnings if not certain requirements met. 50/50 split set up CBA will be modified. Players playing in smaller markets will be impacted more than those in larger markets so adjust the percentage for owners and players revenue split accordingly.
Im all for players getting their worth but the players have way too much leverage in today's game and its hurting the game.

adam silver has just been taking the over and making the rules easier to do so :lol:
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Re: Is it easy to score 40 or 50 points in today's NBA or are the players incredibly talented? 

Post#40 » by Billl » Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:30 pm

Both. And also, guys don't seem to take it as personal as they used to when they are getting lit up. It's much more professional/analytical in terms of "we'll follow the game plan and think the odds will eventually revert to the mean" vs "this guy is on fire and we can't let him beat us single handedly."

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