Fox going to alienate Wemby?

atlantabbq99 · Post #21 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 6:47 am

Trae Young is really a better fit for Wemby. Fox is talented but not really a Spurs system guy. Fox was just on the trading block and Trae wasn't at the time.

SlimShady83 · Post #22 » by **SlimShady83** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 6:56 am

Fast forward to 39.8 seconds left, Spurs up by 1 Wemby wide open shot and misses ... Sure let's forget about that shall we, it's all on Fox this game lmao.

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Threezus · Post #23 » by **Threezus** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:11 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:Trae Young is really a better fit for Wemby. Fox is talented but not really a Spurs system guy. Fox was just on the trading block and Trae wasn't at the time.

This has me intrigued actually how would Fox fit in atlanta with the team we built now compared to Trae?

Is Trae worth more or less than Fox and if so how many picks more or less. Would it be worth it to try and trade Trae for Fox and then the Hawks try to get some picks back we gave them if he is worth more?

sunsbg · Post #24 » by **sunsbg** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:16 am

Can aliens be alienated ?

atlantabbq99 · Post #25 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:32 am

Threezus wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:Trae Young is really a better fit for Wemby. Fox is talented but not really a Spurs system guy. Fox was just on the trading block and Trae wasn't at the time.

This has me intrigued actually how would Fox fit in atlanta with the team we built now compared to Trae?

Is Trae worth more or less than Fox and if so how many picks more or less. Would it be worth it to try and trade Trae for Fox and then the Hawks try to get some picks back we gave them if he is worth more?

I would try to find a 3rd team.

AD with Dallas might work - Fox and Flagg

Nic Claxton with the Next could also work - Fox and Egor

durden_tyler · Post #26 » by **durden_tyler** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:54 am

Dominator83 wrote:Subtraction by addition. With him they're 2-2, with one of those wins a close game against the awful Pels, and the other w close game against the Bulls without their 2 best players. Takes the ball out of Wemby's hands and gets absolutely torched on defense

This. If he’s traded for a first round pick or a couple, the Spurs should just do it.

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zeebneeb · Post #27 » by **zeebneeb** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 7:54 am

prime1time wrote:I think you have to give Fox time to gel with Wemby. Fox is a good player and this team can win the championship this year. I don't see them moving off from him.

Zero shot at a title this season. No experience really, pieces are not quite right either.

GrindCityHustle · Post #28 » by **GrindCityHustle** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 9:05 am

They are probably going to trade him once they get a solid read on how Harper/Castle play together long-term.

I like Fox on alot of teams, I just wasn't a fan of this trade for SA or that contract like most. We will see I guess. They were itching to pay a bigger name to play alongside Wemby. Like someone said earlier they should have waited for Trae but SA didn't have guys ATL wanted or SA didn't want to give up a ton of future picks.

Lalouie · Post #29 » by **Lalouie** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 9:23 am

geez.

don't make a big deal of this. fox was playing @sac. there's a lot of stuff the clean up

Post #30 » by **tsherkin** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 10:20 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:Trae Young is really a better fit for Wemby. Fox is talented but not really a Spurs system guy. Fox was just on the trading block and Trae wasn't at the time.

He'd certainly be interesting in that role. Definitely has the playmaking chops, but could he be a sufficiently capable support scorer, becomes the question.

prime1time · Post #31 » by **prime1time** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 12:30 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
prime1time wrote:I think you have to give Fox time to gel with Wemby. Fox is a good player and this team can win the championship this year. I don't see them moving off from him.
Zero shot at a title this season. No experience really, pieces are not quite right either.

You don't need perfect pieces. Just good enough. Yeah shooting isn't ideal but they do have strengths. In the playoffs they'll have 2 of Fox, Harper, Castle and Wemby on the floor at all times. They'll be able to play more physical. They are young, athletic and quick so they will be able to cover large amounts of space. You are already starting to see it, but they are going to shut some team down in the playoffs. Look at these Warrior games. Warriors needed 49 by Steph to win by 1. Over the course of the year the offense will get better. And I expect the defense to be the best in the league.

Also, in the playoffs Wemby's minutes will increase. Right now Wemby has an on off of 19.5. And if you watch it he's getting better and they are getting better every game. The way forward imo is clear. You're right they may not win, but they are a very scary team. And it will take the best that SGA, KD, Curry, Luka to win. Wemby will erase layups. So it'll be all middys and threes. With the same level of physicality that last years playoffs saw.

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This is what it will take to beat the Spurs. Wemby just erases shots at the rim.

Ball4life32 · Post #32 » by **Ball4life32** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 12:32 pm

Threezus wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:Trae Young is really a better fit for Wemby. Fox is talented but not really a Spurs system guy. Fox was just on the trading block and Trae wasn't at the time.

This has me intrigued actually how would Fox fit in atlanta with the team we built now compared to Trae?

Is Trae worth more or less than Fox and if so how many picks more or less. Would it be worth it to try and trade Trae for Fox and then the Hawks try to get some picks back we gave them if he is worth more?

No. No shot hawks touch Fox’s contract.

Chokic · Post #33 » by **Chokic** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 12:37 pm

Optms wrote:Vessel is also trash. Lots of trash on this Spurs team. Pretty amazing where Wemby has em.

Don't forget stephon castle.

WestGOAT · Post #34 » by **WestGOAT** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 12:43 pm

Optms wrote:Vessel is also trash. Lots of trash on this Spurs team. Pretty amazing where Wemby has em.

Yup they basically need to wait until OKC's title window closes to contend, and with Presti at the helm with his treasurechest of picks that might be at least 5 more seasons

prime1time · Post #35 » by **prime1time** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:06 pm

prime1time wrote:
zeebneeb wrote:
prime1time wrote:I think you have to give Fox time to gel with Wemby. Fox is a good player and this team can win the championship this year. I don't see them moving off from him.
Zero shot at a title this season. No experience really, pieces are not quite right either.

You don't need perfect pieces. Just good enough. Yeah shooting isn't ideal but they do have strengths. In the playoffs they'll have 2 of Fox, Harper, Castle and Wemby on the floor at all times. They'll be able to play more physical. They are young, athletic and quick so they will be able to cover large amounts of space. You are already starting to see it, but they are going to shut some team down in the playoffs. Look at these Warrior games. Warriors needed 49 by Steph to win by 1. Over the course of the year the offense will get better. And I expect the defense to be the best in the league.

Also, in the playoffs Wemby's minutes will increase. Right now Wemby has an on off of 19.5. And if you watch it he's getting better and they are getting better every game. The way forward imo is clear. You're right they may not win, but they are a very scary team. And it will take the best that SGA, KD, Curry, Luka to win. Wemby will erase layups. So it'll be all middys and threes. With the same level of physicality that last years playoffs saw.

Read on Twitter

This is what it will take to beat the Spurs. Wemby just erases shots at the rim.

I'd also say that Harper is an important piece for them. We can talk about how they lack shooting but how many teams have the depth in the second unit wing position to keep a lineup of both Harper and Castle out the paint? While also having rim protection to contest?

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Rule out this Spurs team if you want but they are deep and talented. Harper's presence ensures that you have to play a full 48 minutes. Harper may not win 6th man of the year but he's certainly in the conversation for most talented bench player in the league.

Ssj16 · Post #36 » by **Ssj16** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:28 pm

prime1time wrote:I think you have to give Fox time to gel with Wemby. Fox is a good player and this team can win the championship this year. I don't see them moving off from him.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Spurs aren't winning it this year. If they even made it past the second round, that would be impressive enough.

Ssj16 · Post #37 » by **Ssj16** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:31 pm

MMyhre wrote:It's not just Wemby, Castle was at 19.6 pts on 58.3 ts %, 9 assists/3.1 to, 6 rebs, 2.1 stls with elite defense and a 7.8 +/- in the last 8 games before this game where Fox clearly took over.

They traded for a pretty inefficient first option/second option type of guy who doesn't play defense and is not an elite playmaker, who probably peaked three years ago and is just coming off an injury to his main strength in speed/the hamstrings... and he has had a lot of injuries in recent years.

When you have two young guards with star potential, and you put in a guy on his way down/with arrows pointing downwards/who is very reliant on athleticism & not a great shooter or playmaker... I never liked that trade, and seeing how Castle started playing recently I hate it.

I think Fox is a losing player without his 3pt shot and full athleticism, because his offense is likely not going to be very good to elite because of that lacking this season, playmaking is good but not great and the defense is bad. Is that worth it? You're not beating OKC with him, not even close with an awkward fit with three of your best players in the backcourt against the best backcourt defense in the league.

Why? Just take your time, Rome wasn't built in a day. At least trade for someone better who doesn't have these downward trends and question marks and fits the timeline of Wemby better.
Even if he plays at like a better but not elite 25-26 pts on 57 ts % with 7 ast/3 to and bad defense, you're now losing back2back to the Warriors with 100 years old Curry dumpstering you with scrubs all around him doing nothing, who got completely silenced by OKC just recently.

I don't think they beat the Rockets, Nuggets or Wolves, never mind OKC after that.

Damn I really think they **** up and should have been more patient, but maybe Fox all of a sudden gets his full athleticism and shooting back (hasn't been there since 23-24) but I am not liking what I am seeing early at least.

Even if Fox plays better, which he will, is it going to be enough? And was that worth it to stop the minutes and development of Castle & Harper? I don't think so.
Imagine if they had a PF that could shoot and play some defense in the mold of Lauri Markkanen?
Wemby
Markkanen
Barnes
Harper
Castle

I don't know, just throwing out ideas, a lot of people questioned this trade at the time... we'll see, I am just not sold on Fox being this All NBA player that can carry you in the playoffs against so many great teams in the west.

At the time the trade made sense, I think. But seeing how the Spurs started the season without him and the development of Castle, you could definitely say it would have been better to stay the course. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

prime1time · Post #38 » by **prime1time** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 1:57 pm

Ssj16 wrote:
prime1time wrote:I think you have to give Fox time to gel with Wemby. Fox is a good player and this team can win the championship this year. I don't see them moving off from him.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Spurs aren't winning it this year. If they even made it past the second round, that would be impressive enough.

It's funny that people still make declarative statements like this. Pacers were one Hali injury away from winning it all last year. Spurs definitely have a chance. Need some injury luck perhaps but they definitely have a chance.

Godymas · Post #39 » by **Godymas** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:23 pm

Fox is a losing player. Always has been. His game sucks, I hardly watched him in Sacramento, but he takes so many mid range shots. I always thought he some hyper athletic slasher, his game is so awkward for a dude that’s supposed to be the fastest guy in the league, his vision is average.

You know what I loved, though? The chemistry between Castle and Wemby is both real and elite. Fox needs to get traded off this team and the king’s Castle

Yoshun · Post #40 » by **Yoshun** » Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:28 pm

Where are people getting this "he's taking the ball out of Wemby's hands" stuff?

Wemby is taking the same number of shots, he had two straight 30-point games (near 40 against the Bulls), and dropped a 31-point triple double just last game.

They just played 2 games in a row against the number 2 team in the West, relax.