J-Rich !!!!!

[BigSlam]

I can understand some of Bowens frustrations. JRich is paid more than anyone on our roster so he wants him to be able to do it all.

Problem is, the only person in the L who can do it all is Kobe and he ain't coming here any time soon.

You have to be realistic Bowens. Sure JRich is getting $11 mil a year - but so is Larry Hughes. He's considered a good defender and he sure and heck loves to jack up shots. Would you prefer him?

How about Stephen Jackson? He plays both ends...................and can pop a cap, join fat arse at the strip clubs and get us in the head lines for all the wrong reasons?

JRich is worth every dime he is getting, is filling the void we so desperatley needed to fill and is a stand up sort of guy.

I appreciate you wanting our guys to do well, but none of them have capes, can jump over tall buildings in a single bound or wear their underwear on the outside.

[Bowens]

I can understand some of Bowens frustrations. JRich is paid more than anyone on our roster so he wants him to be able to do it all.

Problem is, the only person in the L who can do it all is Kobe and he ain't coming here any time soon.

You have to be realistic Bowens. Sure JRich is getting $11 mil a year - but so is Larry Hughes. He's considered a good defender and he sure and heck loves to jack up shots. Would you prefer him?

How about Stephen Jackson? He plays both ends...................and can pop a cap, join fat arse at the strip clubs and get us in the head lines for all the wrong reasons?

JRich is worth every dime he is getting, is filling the void we so desperatley needed to fill and is a stand up sort of guy.

I appreciate you wanting our guys to do well, but none of them have capes, can jump over tall buildings in a single bound or wear their underwear on the outside.

I pick apart JRich's game like I do for every player on our team. I'm an equal opportunity hater. But I also give praise when warranted. And I have praised JRich. Before this season began, I was a huge Okafor and Felton fan, now I want both gone. I'm willing to build around JRich and Wallace, but I'm still going to criticize them when I feel it's necessary.

And, some fans have a hard on for scorers and will defend those types to the bitter end...which in our case will be last place. Myself, I like lock down defensive players and teams that love to share the ball. Give me that and I'm in heaven.

[BigSlam]

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Before this season began, I was a huge Okafor and Felton fan, now I want both gone.

I hope your "significant other" never comes home with a bad hair cut!!

[floppymoose]

Random stat comment: if you look at points per fga, Jason is having the second best year of his career this year (so far). Only 05-06 was better.

He is scoring pretty efficiently for a jump shooting guard.

[BigSlam]

He's got to be a lock for the 3pt shoot out at the All Star weekend!!

[fatlever]

my preseason predictions of jrich leading the league in 3pt attempts and making the 3pt shootout are looking good.

i think jrich is a lock for the 3pt shootout.

[sanddude909]

Myself, I like lock down defensive players and teams that love to share the ball. Give me that and I'm in heaven.

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Might I ask, which off-guards in the NBA fit that description (lock down defender who loves to share the ball)?

Having great defensive teams that are good on offense (San Antonio, the Piston teams of the late 1980s) is one way to build a winning team.

Having great offensive teams that are OK on defense (Lakers and Celtics of the 1980s) is another.

[BigSlam]

Might I ask, which off-guards in the NBA fit that description (lock down defender who loves to share the ball)?.

Iggy, Roy, Kobe, Hinrich would be my guesses.

[fatlever]

is roy really a lockdown defender?

[BigSlam]

is roy really a lockdown defender?

I think that he stays in front of his man more often than not and isn't beaten off the dribble easily. He's super smart and plays with a whole lot of effort. I guess it all depends on what you classify as a lock down defender?

[Walt Cronkite]

I would say his counterpart PER supports the idea that he's a lockdown defender. He spends 65% of his team's minutes at the 2 and he keeps the guy he's guarding to 12.7. Further supporting this claim is that for 10% of his team's minutes he slides over to the 3 and keeps the guy he's guarding to 13.8. I've seen 2 Blazer games this season, but from this statistical measure (because it could be a comprehensive defensive scheme from Nate McMillan).

[sanddude909]

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Iggy, Roy, Kobe, Hinrich would be my guesses.

Hinrich is a point guard, not an off guard, isn't he?

And I thought Iggy to be a small forward, not an offguard?

i'm not a huge bulls fan and not at all a sixers fan so i could well be wrong.

But if in the universe of 2's there are two lock down defenders (Roy and Bryant), then anyone waiting for a lockdown defender at the 2 is going to be waiting a very very long time as i doubt either of those players will be headed to charlotte in the near future.

[BigSlam]

Hinrich can play both 1 and 2. Usually (and especially if Gordon is in) Hinrich will take the bigger of the two guards on D which again, usually is the 2.

Same with Iggy. He can play both. He usually takes the opposing players better scoring option.

If you want just standard lock down defenders though, Ronnie Brewer, Marquis Daniels, Larry Hughes spring to mind.

[dmutombo321]

With the lone exceptions of Kobe Bryant and possibly Brandon Roy (due largely to his youth and scary potential), I would prefer to have Richardson on our team as our feature 2 over any of the other defensive oriented guard's mentioned.

While J-Rich isn't an eye popping defensive presence, he's not terrible either. His real value lies in being an offensive juggernaut who is becoming increasingly capable of carrying us on offense and making clutch shots.

Paul Pierce actually played exellent defense on Richardson last night. He followed him around like a shadow and had a hand in his face for every shot Richardson attempted. Nonetheless, Pierce was powerless to stop him.

[Bowens]

Might I ask, which off-guards in the NBA fit that description (lock down defender who loves to share the ball)?

Having great defensive teams that are good on offense (San Antonio, the Piston teams of the late 1980s) is one way to build a winning team.

Having great offensive teams that are OK on defense (Lakers and Celtics of the 1980s) is another.

I was speaking in general, not specific to any one position.

And my ENTIRE point is that I pick apart EVERY player on our team!!!

[fatlever]

i have always felt pierce was one of the best defenders on the wing, whether he is guarding 2's or 3's.

we can add raja bell to the list of good wing defenders.

[floppymoose]

This isn't a knock on Roy, who may be an awesome defender (I haven't seen enough of him to know) but I've found opposing PER to be about the most useless stat ever created.

There were years where Troy Murphy had an average opposing PER, and he is a horrid defender.

Look instead at the on court/off court differential in things like opponent fg%, opponent ppp, defensive rebounding, blocks, and steals.

[J~Rush]

This isn't a knock on Roy, who may be an awesome defender (I haven't seen enough of him to know) but I've found opposing PER to be about the most useless stat ever created.

There were years where Troy Murphy had an average opposing PER, and he is a horrid defender.

Look instead at the on court/off court differential in things like opponent fg%, opponent ppp, defensive rebounding, blocks, and steals.

I wouldn't call Roy a lockdown defender, but he's a really good defender. If someone is going to score on Roy, they'll have to work very hard to do it.

[Paydro70]

I don't mean to be contradictory floppy, but what year is that? Murphy's opponent PER:
02-03: No PER, but allowed 22.6 pts/48 on .500 shooting and 12.7 rebs.
03-04: 17.9
04-05: 19.4
05-06: 17.6
06-07: 15.6 (16.3 with Indiana)
07-08: 17.5

So the best was last year, but that was a limited sample size, especially since he spent a lot of time being horrible at center (19.4). Murphy's a pretty good example of when the stat works, and when it doesn't, actually... I would bet the Warriors are a frequent opponent PER problem because of all the different positions people play, the weird matchups, etc. I think opponent PER is at its best dealing with true C's and true PGs, where you know who they're matched up against all game long (for instance, against the Nets I noticed Ray was guarding Kidd while McInnis guarded Carter... but as far as 82games is concerned, everything Kidd did would reflect on McInnis, and what Carter did would reflect on Ray).

Anyway I think on/off is a way harder stat to make sense of, because you're talking about a player's effect on the entire team's defense, and it's tough (though some are trying now) to account for teammates/opponents.

[floppymoose]

Actually, I was calling the 17's average. I understand 15 is the target average, but 17 is a lot closer to average than it is to Murphy's actual defensive ability.

I've watched a lot of Troy and I know why the stat doesn't measure his defense. It's because Troy stays with his man even when he shouldn't - he never helps on defense. When he's on the court all of his *teammates* opposing PER get inflated.