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Post#21 » by jman3134 » Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:37 am

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Hasheem is immensely strong and more athletic than Diop at the same stage. I wouldn't compare the two because Hasheem has true offensive upside--he shoots FTs with perfect form has good touch around the basket and is learning a few quality post moves. I would say that if Hasheem played 4 years--he would easily EASILY be a top 3 if not 1 pick.


What are you talking about? Thabeet is 7'4 and has shown no improvement offensively. He wasn't even dunking until halfway through the season. He may be a first round pick (I personally think he will be), but it doesn't mean it was deserved.

Free throw shooting is not entirely indicative of in game shooting. And, Thabeet's in game shooting has been inconsistent at best.
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Post#22 » by Canomad » Mon Jan 7, 2008 4:54 am

he needs to stay all 4 years so he can refine his skills and atleast turn out ot be serviceable in the nba. i think if he comes out he is gonna be a d-league player for 2 more years. be a bench player most of his career and just not pan out to be anything to special. he should get a free education and learn the game off basketball.
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Post#23 » by Worm Guts » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:47 pm

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What are you talking about? Thabeet is 7'4 and has shown no improvement offensively. He wasn't even dunking until halfway through the season. He may be a first round pick (I personally think he will be), but it doesn't mean it was deserved.

Free throw shooting is not entirely indicative of in game shooting. And, Thabeet's in game shooting has been inconsistent at best.


No improvement? I haven't watched him this season but his numbers are up across the board. From 6.2 ppg to 10.6, his field goal percentage has gone from 55% to 58% and his PPS has gone from 1.6 to 1.82.
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Post#24 » by BRIGGS » Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:56 pm

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What are you talking about? Thabeet is 7'4 and has shown no improvement offensively. He wasn't even dunking until halfway through the season. He may be a first round pick (I personally think he will be), but it doesn't mean it was deserved.

Free throw shooting is not entirely indicative of in game shooting. And, Thabeet's in game shooting has been inconsistent at best.


Sorry--I've watched every second of every Uconn game this year--he has improved and should/will continue to improve. FT shooting means a lot to a player like Hasheem. Unlike the ???comparison to Vranes --Thabeet is a pure box player--so touch outside of just dunking is essential. He still is a work in progress and I know he may look awkward/bad at times--but his improvement y-y so far has been *substantial IMHO.
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Post#25 » by Devilzsidewalk » Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:20 pm

If Pavel Podcastin can be a top 20 pick than Hasheem will probably be lotto.

Forget the season, Hasheem can go to Orlando predraft camp and block 8 shots a game from undersized tunnel vision guards haphazardly driving the lane and the scouts will go bananas and before you know it he's trying on a Chicago Bulls cap in the late lotto.
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Post#26 » by BRIGGS » Mon Jan 7, 2008 4:01 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:If Pavel Podcastin can be a top 20 pick than Hasheem will probably be lotto.

Forget the season, Hasheem can go to Orlando predraft camp and block 8 shots a game from undersized tunnel vision guards haphazardly driving the lane and the scouts will go bananas and before you know it he's trying on a Chicago Bulls cap in the late lotto.


Hasheem is going to be better than those players. I don't think people realize how agile and athletic Hasheem is for his immense size. He will one day be an IMPACT defensive NBA basketball player with the abilities to grab 10-12 rebounds and score 10-12 points. I think the Dikembe comparison is very good. I wish he could stay in school for the full 4 years--but he is VERY poor and if he couldve went last year--he would've. Barring injury--he's going to be a lottery pick and the rest of the season will determine if he goes top 5- 7 or 13-15.
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Post#27 » by Devilzsidewalk » Mon Jan 7, 2008 5:53 pm

sure, 10 or 12 reb per game and a solid defensive anchor in the NBA. I don't think thats unreasonable at all. He has the size and he can move. Being the next Dikembe... I guess its not completely impossible, but Dikembe was an impact player right from the start, Thabeet will probably need a couple or few years.
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Post#28 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:12 pm

MalReyn wrote:Based on Diop 2 years into the league vs. Thabeet 2 years at UConn.... Diop never played and when he did he was lost.

And Thabeet may not be stronger than Diop, but he's certainly more athletic and taller. He's amazingly mobile for a guy his size, despite raw basketball skills.

That's exactly the comparison that I was going to make. I wouldn't have believed that Diop would be a hot commodity after watching him in his first few seasons, and Thabeet is basically a clearly better version of what Diop was at the same age.
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Post#29 » by BRIGGS » Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:26 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:sure, 10 or 12 reb per game and a solid defensive anchor in the NBA. I don't think thats unreasonable at all. He has the size and he can move. Being the next Dikembe... I guess its not completely impossible, but Dikembe was an impact player right from the start, Thabeet will probably need a couple or few years.


You're right. Thabeet would have to play the full 4 years to come into the NBA as an impact player. He's going to need a support system in terms of teaching and personal trainer like Bynum had. He's going to be a guy who will be able to give some good minutes right away but will need time to get where he can go[which includes his own hard work which he has been doing]
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Post#30 » by Blame Rasho » Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:02 pm

I personally don't think that he will be a good NBA prospect given how the NBA is played at higher pace and the actual need for a true C as declined in general. Do I believe he will be picked in the first round? Sure... if you are 7 feet and have a pulse you will get selected but that doesn't mean anything. You look at the list that WillC posted and I don't see one real rotation worthy player. I think what Jonathan means, that he isn't a first round type of guy, meaning a rotation player.

Edit, Jeez... now he is avg 10-12 rebounds a game? Last year only 3 players avg 12 rpg and only 7 avg 10 mpg. I would be surprised if he ever avged 25 mpg in the NBA.
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Post#31 » by stasher59 » Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:35 pm

Briggs I guess these guys at DX are better talent evaluators than you and I. Or mabey its all the busts that Uconn has in the league :crazy: I can see if the guy moped around the court like Hibbert did his freshman year but my god, he just learned the game and has unbelievable upside. I think the GMs will probably listen to the experts at DX over Calhoun anyday.
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Post#32 » by revprodeji » Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:40 pm

I hope he goes in the second. Drafted by the Wolves with the 31st pick.
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Post#33 » by jman3134 » Tue Jan 8, 2008 1:36 am

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No improvement? I haven't watched him this season but his numbers are up across the board. From 6.2 ppg to 10.6, his field goal percentage has gone from 55% to 58% and his PPS has gone from 1.6 to 1.82.


Ok, let's take a look at why his numbers might be up right about now. Even if we assume that he increased his PPG by 4, he has not shown favorable improvement across the board. Earlier in the season, Dicky V got on his case for refusing to dunk the ball. He simply took layups and this caused him to miss some easy opportunities when some defender came to contest him. His field goal percentage is virtually the same. Lately, he has picked up the pace, showing somewhat of a mean streak. (about as mean as he'll get) He's dunking the ball and rebounding fairly well. (not too well for a 7'4 guy with superior length to everyone on the floor, but still I'll give him credit) His positioning downlow is frightful. He looks to fadeaway baskets inside against smaller players. And, while a hook shot may seem promising, this is not necessarily the case. He has the height and length to shoot over people and he's simply reverting to a shot he has not entirely perfected. When he does shoot over his defender, he fades away. Standing still he would be able to get off his jumper pretty much uncontested. There's little semblance of simple post moves- drop step and score etc. It just doesn't seem that he is very comfortable attacking the basket at this point. It's not just that he is awkward.

Frankly, on the defensive end, he is not a complete player either. While he does have a knack for blocking shots and the length to challenge anyone at the college level, he is not an excellent man defender yet. Oftenimes, he reverts to the shot blockers mentality- biting on fakes and sometimes jumping when he should just maintain position down low and draw a charge.

As for your statistical concerns at this period: I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to maintain his current production, but I would say that it's unlikely. Look at their SOS and current RPI. UConn's nonconference competition is a far cry from what Thabeet and his teammates will be facing in the Big East. They currently have the 46th rated RPI in the country and this is not because of their results (at 10-3).
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Post#34 » by SactownHrtBrks8 » Tue Jan 8, 2008 2:40 am

He will come in to the league and block 10 shots against the Kings people will think he is god.

Dalembert is who i would compare him.

I don't know how he'll success will be
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Post#35 » by BRIGGS » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:46 am

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Ok, let's take a look at why his numbers might be up right about now. Even if we assume that he increased his PPG by 4, he has not shown favorable improvement across the board. Earlier in the season, Dicky V got on his case for refusing to dunk the ball. He simply took layups and this caused him to miss some easy opportunities when some defender came to contest him. His field goal percentage is virtually the same. Lately, he has picked up the pace, showing somewhat of a mean streak. (about as mean as he'll get) He's dunking the ball and rebounding fairly well. (not too well for a 7'4 guy with superior length to everyone on the floor, but still I'll give him credit) His positioning downlow is frightful. He looks to fadeaway baskets inside against smaller players. And, while a hook shot may seem promising, this is not necessarily the case. He has the height and length to shoot over people and he's simply reverting to a shot he has not entirely perfected. When he does shoot over his defender, he fades away. Standing still he would be able to get off his jumper pretty much uncontested. There's little semblance of simple post moves- drop step and score etc. It just doesn't seem that he is very comfortable attacking the basket at this point. It's not just that he is awkward.

Frankly, on the defensive end, he is not a complete player either. While he does have a knack for blocking shots and the length to challenge anyone at the college level, he is not an excellent man defender yet. Oftenimes, he reverts to the shot blockers mentality- biting on fakes and sometimes jumping when he should just maintain position down low and draw a charge.

As for your statistical concerns at this period: I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to maintain his current production, but I would say that it's unlikely. Look at their SOS and current RPI. UConn's nonconference competition is a far cry from what Thabeet and his teammates will be facing in the Big East. They currently have the 46th rated RPI in the country and this is not because of their results (at 10-3).


Thabeet is averaging 10 points 7 rebounds 5 blocks per game in 6 BE games. Today against Marquette he did the same thing he has done a few times--absolutely dominate the defensive emd and show the signs/abilities to do nice things on the offensive side. He's a work in progress--there is no denying that but if he contiues to improve in all facets he reminds me of a Mark eaton type player. Put him at C and Dwight Howard at PF and lets see what they do in 2-3 years from now.
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Post#36 » by UGA Hayes » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:40 pm

To be fair big men are notorious for just figuring it out of nowhere. It probably is a mistake to write a guy off no matter how bad they may look at the moment.
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Post#37 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:33 pm

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Thabeet is averaging 10 points 7 rebounds 5 blocks per game in 6 BE games. Today against Marquette he did the same thing he has done a few times--absolutely dominate the defensive emd and show the signs/abilities to do nice things on the offensive side. He's a work in progress--there is no denying that but if he contiues to improve in all facets he reminds me of a Mark eaton type player. Put him at C and Dwight Howard at PF and lets see what they do in 2-3 years from now.

Agreed - except for the Eaton comp. Eaton was a stiff who could block shots. Thabeet is a MUCH better athuhlete.
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Post#38 » by BRIGGS » Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:42 am

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Agreed - except for the Eaton comp. Eaton was a stiff who could block shots. Thabeet is a MUCH better athuhlete.


Well I wouldnt call Mark Eaton a stiff. He was one of the greatest defensive players of all time in the nBA. Thabeet is more athletic but eaton was a tad bigger with tremendous base strength. I just compared him in a sense--remember Mark Eaton barely played @ UCLA--I guess you can consider that stiff in college and he was older 26-27 when he came into the nBA--but that doesnt take away how effective he was
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Post#39 » by jeremy1215 » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:15 am

I like Thabeet much more than Hibbert.. Hibbert is a stiff and I think if Thabeet worked on a lot of things he could be very good.
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Post#40 » by wilt » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:59 am

that is ridiculous... Hibbert a stiff compared to Thabeet ? There is a bit more to judging a player than running up the court or blocking shots ... And that
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