Trade Iguodala

[tk76]

Guys like Iguodala and even Dalembert will be better once there is more talkent around them.

When you take players with undeniable talent and them ask them to do things outside of these strengths they don't look as good as when they can stick to their strengths.

It is hard for Sam to look good when he is our best frontcourt scorer. Once he is put next to a legit low post scorer he will not be relied upon to score- and will still get 10 pts of of opps and put backs (even more if his teammate draws a double team.) Then you will see a shot blockeer and rebounder who is mostly a positive force.

Same with Dala- he has a strong all around game- including now a reliable jumper which he once lacked. Unfortunately, our team lacks rtalent. His now is the best scorer on the floor, and plays without post scorers or good jump shooters that would spread the floor and make his offensive duties much simpler. His scoring numbers might go down once we add those pieces- but maybe just our overall team scoring would go up. Either way, once we add better pieces he will be able to do what he does best instead of being the only scorer on the floor- which is the weakest part of his game.

[howiezbt]

Stupid to trade Iggy now. He is only 23 and getting better. Young players get discouraged with losing. You need to bring in a top scoring option and let Iggy be the second guy. That is what he will be paid like. Whether that be a top rookie in the draft (if we win the lottery) or via free agency/trade.

Trading Iggy would set us back years.

[SendEm]

How would trading Iggy set us back years as if he is THAT important to us not having an even worse record. 24 year old Iguodala does nothing for our win/loss record. Andre Miller is the reason for it not being worse. Trading Miller will set us back years IF we don't make an even better move with the piece we replace him with.Iggy is a good player but yall Sixers fans on here think that he is special or will be special. He's just a solid player with padded stats because he's on a losing team. He's a 6'6" sg/sf with a developing jump shot that lacks the ability to make defenders PAY for playing defense too closely on him in the half court. His open court game is definitely superior but that's the easiest part of basketball...

[The Sixer Fixer]

I have no problem in trading Andre if it means we are getting something better, or more important (PF), in return. For example, if we can do a S/T with Andre in the offseason to get an impact PF, I would be all for it. I do have a problem with people saying we should give him away for nothing because we can pick someone up off the scrap heap and they will be just as good.

The only way I let Andre walk for nothing is if he gets signed to a big offer sheet this summer and we decide to let him go in order to use his 8 mil + in cap space to add another player who would replace him (like Josh Smith or whoever). We would have to know we can get the other player before I let him walk though.

[tk76]

We invested the last 3 years and a lottery pick to have hime become a good player. Unless you are talking about swapping him for an equally good player (like Deng) or signing another young good swing at a similar or lower level (who would that be?) then you would have to wait for someone else to develop- whether that is Young or this years number one. Either way, you are waiting at least three more years.

If we had another young SF who was ready to replace Dala (lets sya Crney wasn't a joke) then we could think about trading Dala for a position of need. That said- no one will give up a good young big for a good young swing- so you won't get equal value.

Since losing Dala would just create another hole on this team who already lacks PF and SG skill, I can't see how giving up on a player who would fit on any good team in any way helps us.

[SendEm]

I think those people that keep talking about trading Miller for salary cap relief are the true slam dunk competition fans and video game players among us. Those people also suggest replacing Miller's vacated floor general position with Louis "Career Bench Player" Williams. I've seen people post potential starting lineups of

PG Louis Williams
SG Iguodala
SF Thad Young
PF Josh Smith
C Sam Dalembert

^^ That lineup might not even win 9 games in an NBA season, but they surely can dunk the ball...

[tk76]

If Salary cap relief translates into one good and one all star level player then I'm all for it. If it netted 22M dollars that we turned into a healthy Brand and a Calerderon I'm in.

Unfortunately I don't think it will land us a healthy 28 y/o all star PF- so no reason to move him.

I do think if we trade Miller todays we drop from a 10-12 pick to a top 6 pick- which could win the lottery- but that in itself is not a reason to trade Miller now- alksthough it was a good reason why we should have moved him last year. 3 less wins and the lottery would have us getting Oden or Durant. No way we knew that at the time, but even a top 5 pick last year would have been much more valuable than Young.

[76ersAddict3]

maybe involve Iggy for Amare? work it out somehow..

[9th Wonder]

I think those people that keep talking about trading Miller for salary cap relief are the true slam dunk competition fans and video game players among us. Those people also suggest replacing Miller's vacated floor general position with Louis "Career Bench Player" Williams.

I think most people--rather than wanting a team that can slam dunk really really super awesomely--wanted to trade Miller for a large amount of cap space and a prospect or pick. I think people also might have been concerned that his age would be a factor when this team becomes ready to contend.

But in a sense you are right, because I really despise Miller and don't want him in Philly because his left hand reverse windmill is nothing like Josh Smith's.

[SendEm]

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I think most people--rather than wanting a team that can slam dunk really really super awesomely--wanted to trade Miller for a large amount of cap space and a prospect or pick. I think people also might have been concerned that his age would be a factor when this team becomes ready to contend.

But in a sense you are right, because I really despise Miller and don't want him in Philly because his left hand reverse windmill is nothing like Josh Smith's.

So "cap space, and a prospect or pick"are better than Miller? LOL we already know that no team is giving us a lottery pick for Miller, we already know that there is like zero chance of any player we draft at that pick being able to run the PG like Miller for ATLEAST many years, just look at the potential players to be drafted. Nobody who is a unrestricted free agent fills any of our needs, and how good of an NBA "prospect" can be obtained for Miller who makes $10million and gets paid like twice as much as any young "prospect"? Do we then absorb the salary of a bum player? Basically what I'm saying is that there is no easy solution to improving the Sixers by trading Miller the best thing right now is to keep him, he'll be an expiring next season, and even after his contract (if we don't trade him) we'll be in possession of his bird rights.

[9th Wonder]

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So "cap space, and a prospect or pick"are better than Miller?

Quite possibly, yes. Not to mention that our pick this summer would likely jump a few spots.

Nobody who is a unrestricted free agent fills any of our needs

I would argue otherwise. Also, don't forget that cap space can get you a RFA or can help you out in a trade.

and how good of an NBA "prospect" can be obtained for Miller who makes $10million and gets paid like twice as much as any young "prospect"? Do we then absorb the salary of a bum player?

A prospect and an expiring. No need to absorb a bad contract. If that's the case, don't trade him.

Basically what I'm saying is that there is no easy solution to improving the Sixers by trading Miller the best thing right now is to keep him, he'll be an expiring next season, and even after his contract (if we don't trade him) we'll be in possession of his bird rights.

So we can offer him more than any team, but that doesn't really matter, since he won't be getting a max deal.

I'd be all for keeping him if he was a little younger, and I'm still not completely opposed to it even at his age right now. By no means do I want to trade him for just an expiring deal, but at the level he is playing right now, I think we could easily get more.

[SendEm]

I don't subscribe to the Andre Miller age thing or that being 30 is too old. Andre Miller looks the same as he has always looked just like AI, just maybe a tad bit of the explosiveness is gone but that has been replaced with more skill. Miller will be a valuable player for atleast 5 more years. He doesn't have to be a starter. His height strength will allow him to remain a good team defender especially since zones are legal this isn't the old NBA where a young Baron Davis could be isolated on an old hobbled Tim Hardaway for an entire playoff series and get abused by the younger quicker player. Miller will remain as fast as a good shooting guard for many years and be amongst the top 10 passers in the league for that long as well. Having Andre Miller as a future bench player would boast your second teams performance just like what we are witnessing when he's out on the floor now. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the Sixers to successfully sign and acquire any teams restricted free agent this upcoming offseason, absolutely impossible.

[9th Wonder]

I don't subscribe to the Andre Miller age thing or that being 30 is too old.

He'll be 32 in two months. I think that is a pretty big concern, considering we're not even a playoff team yet.

Miller will be a valuable player for atleast 5 more years. He doesn't have to be a starter. Having Andre Miller as a future bench player would boast your second teams performance just like what we are witnessing when he's out on the floor now.

Maybe he will be, but unless they're a top team when his contract is up, I think the Sixers are going to have a hard time keeping him. A lot of older players start to chase the ring at that point in their career.

I think it's a gamble holding onto him, when we could get some pretty good value for him right now. Then again, we could get a good piece for him next year.

However, if we can move Green of Evans for an expiring, there will be less/no need to move Miller.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for the Sixers to successfully sign and acquire any teams restricted free agent this upcoming offseason, absolutely impossible.

If you say so...

[SendEm]

Keeping Miller might be a little difficult but I doubt a team will be both under the salary cap and willing to pay him more than we could. As for his age, he is a skilled basketball player and playmaker. Age is more of a factor for scorers, and finishers than it is for shooters and playmakers. Miller was never a great athlete but I'm positive that he's going to have an NBA career for a long time baring injury ESPECIALLY since younger PG's are increasingly more scoring and shooting oriented. He might be 39 as the ninth man on someone's team.

[joey-A]

I like Miller to. However though, if, and this is a BIG IF. If he could be dealt as well Evans for a combined package of returning ending contracts, as well as a added 1st rounder from someone, I might have to take it.


Cause minus those two, that will put us in the 26 million dollar area of Cap space. And IF Green could be dealt, that's damn near 30 million. That's Elton Brand at a new, 5 year deal starting in the 16 million range. That would easily leave us alot of money to perhaps make an offer to Jose Calderon that maybe Toronto would think is too much to match. Yes PG's are very Important. And if we got Brand, and still had Iggy, I probably would not like to hand the reins over to a Raw rookie in the draft. However, Calderon would be a very nice replacement to Miller. Only unlike Miller, calderon would be a little younger. Only thing is that we have to assume that someone from our front office has been in contact with Brand's agent, telling him that we are very interested in him. And that the agent has told us that Brand to is very Interested in opting out, and signing a long term new deal here. If we have that guarantee, then yes, I would move Miller-Evans-Green, anyway I could. Cause an offer starting out at say 8 million for Calderon may be too rich for the Raps Blood.


And that's a good starting trio...Iggy-Calderon, and Brand. Not to mention Dalembert at Center.

[9th Wonder]

Keeping Miller might be a little difficult but I doubt a team will be both under the salary cap and willing to pay him more than we could.

I'm not sure I'd want the Sixers to offer him any more than the MLE at 33 years old. Obviously it depends on his play over the next year and a half, but right now, I don't think giving him more than the MLE is a smart move. I mean, look what happened to Snow, McKie, Dikembe, etc. Yes, they are BK's contracts, but they're also very good examples of how you need to be careful when re-signing an older player.

Not to mention that if he gets an MLE offer from Boston, Lakers, Denver, etc, he might take it rather than a slightly larger contract from Philly. All hypothetical of course, but very reasonable scenarios none the less.

[SendEm]

First Miller is a better player than both Eric Snow and Aaron Mckie. Eric Snow and Aaron Mckie were JUST role players AND they were slowed by injuries. Miller has missed something like 4 games over his career and he is more than a role player he is a playmaker.

I like Elton Brand but I am convinced that he is past his prime. I'm confident that his defense will be worse than it has ever been. Now the question is can his offense get any better than what we have seen of him the past 3 seasons to compensate for his diminished defense and to warrant him being signed for 5 years at 16 million? I don't think so. He has also been a career loser and we expect him to turn this team around? No it won't happen, it has never happened in his career.


I like Calderon, he is skilled but he is soft. I went out of my way to watch him play this season to see what he was about and he is too soft to ever be a starting PG for a contender. Chauncey Billups and the Chris Pauls of the league play against him like he isn't even there. Calderon plays defense but its ineffective like Steve Nash's D. But he isn't the playmaker that Nash is. Calderon's assists are a product of the players that Toronto have and the plays that they run. Calderon reminds me of PePe Sanchez with the Temple Owls, they both are allowed to hold the ball and pass directly to the player with the greenlight to shoot the ball on a given play. It's like watching a quarterback throw a 1 yard screen pass to a running back that runs it 90 yards for a touchdown and the quarterback gets an additional touchdown on his stats even though it was a simple pass. Calderon is good but he is flawed until he begins utilizing his phenomenal shooting ability more aggressively. Calderon is suppose to be a great backup PG in the NBA.

[joey-A]

Brand,,past his Prime ? The guy is 28 ?? The guy is a career 20 + Pts, 10 + rebounds, and 2 1/2 blocks per game! No other player in league history had those numbers after their first 6 seasons. Not Wilt, Moses, Kareem, no one. And his game is not at all based on great athleticism, so there won't be any decline. Hell, you offer me right now a choice of having Brand as our PF, or Amare Staudamire, and i will take Brand everyday of the week. And so to would anyone with any sort of Brains!!


And Calderon is not a soft PG. His assists are not due to the talent level at Toronto. Bosh is a wirey thin PF who can't gain position down low. Calderon is one of the BEST I've ever seen in the fastbreak delivery of passes at the hoop for easy Dunks, and alley-oop passes in the half court set. He's not as offensively gifted as i would like, not like Miller can be IF needed. But still, he would be perfect to put Iggy in the best scoring position. And could hit Brand with crisp, clean entry passes. You don't like Calderon, okay fine. But saying Brand is past his prime is as stupid of a comment as they get

[SendEm]

Brand may be 28 in age but his body is that of a much older NBA player. Not all of us human beings age the same you know? Brand was heavy and out of shape for many years. It's no wonder one of his wheels blew out while not even playing in an NBA game. A players stats don't win games. Didn't Chris Webber average 20 and 10 one season while he was here? We all know how that turned out...Pursuing Brand even though he FIRST has to opt out of his contract reportedly due to pay him $16 next season does not look like a solid way to move forward. And if Calderon isn't a SOFT starting PG then who is to you?

[tk76]

RJ will be making 13.4M/yr average over the next 4 seasons. He has had a break-out year this season, but when he signed was in the same ballpark as Dala at the same age.

I think the market will lead to a salary starting btween 9.5-11M/yr and then with normal raises. This is fair market value for his age and ability, considering it has him on the team in his peak from 24-30 y/o. That kind of salary would be about 45-60th highest in the league, and is in no way restrictive to bringing in a #1 scoring option to put next to his excellent all around game.

A max contract at his age would start at 13.5M- which he will not get. The max at his age is still about the 30th highest salary- about the same as the 13.5 Zach Randolph is making. The crazy salaries in the 20M range go to older vetts likel Kid, and the O'Neils.

I don't see the problem with paying Dala 9.5-11M next year. I would be happier to sign him at the lower end, which we may have the leverage to do. Unloading him unless we get other proven young talent back is just silly.

People don't even mention that many of the top 50 salary players have major issues either with character or major holes in their games. Iguodala may not be as good of a scoreer as some others, but he is easy to build alongside.