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Post#21 » by crzy » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:58 pm

Here is how I rank the top 17 teams

1) Boston
2) Detroit

3) San Antonio
4) Phenix
5) Dallas
6) Lakers
7) New Orleans
8] Denver
9) Portland
0) Orlando

10) Golden State
11) Utah
12) Houston
13) Washington
14) Toronto
15) Cleveland
16) New Jersey
17) Atlanta
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Post#22 » by HarlemHeat37 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:11 pm

Orlando is better right now, but they are on the SAME level as Cleveland, Washington, Toronto and New Jersey..

I would have to say that all of those West teams are better, except Portland is the same..

the East is disgusting..
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Post#23 » by Craig McDermott » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:57 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:And yes Cleveland has beaten Dallas, Boston and the Lakers


That was flukish. LA went on an 8-10 min scoring drought, not due to much pressure from Cleveland's vicious defense. I would think LA has worked that kink out of their game by now (certainly by the time a theoretical Finals takes place).
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Post#24 » by Jules Winnfield » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:36 pm

Spykes wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Again, you have no real evidence to support your claim. All you're doing is blindly stating your opinion as fact.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Spykes, good sir. Let me explain something to you. This entire website is full of people stating their opinions. You haven't shown any evidence to refute the point that Washington could not beat those teams. All you're doing is mentioning past REGULAR season results as indicative of future playoff performance. It is all opinion, sir.
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Post#25 » by YiYaoYue » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:53 pm

Washington is playing great D... look at what happened against Boston... and with arenas they are one scary offense also (3rd last year?). If Wizards can keep up the defense then they are legit to beating all but Boston and Detroit in a series. You can't bring up last year since Washington was without arenas and butler due to injury and the rest of the team played no D.

Orlando is coming back to earth... they need one good player in backcourt to make them more complete... they need consistent play from both hedo and lewis on the offense to beat teams... when hedo goes on lewis goes off and when lewis goes on hedo goes off... that can't happen if they want to beat teams in the playoff... we won't know till playoffs if they are just coasting right now or if their early start was a fluke.
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Post#26 » by Napoleon7 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:58 pm

crzyyafrican wrote:Here is how I rank the top 17 teams

1) Boston
2) Detroit

3) San Antonio
4) Phenix
5) Dallas
6) Lakers
7) New Orleans
8] Denver
9) Portland
0) Orlando

10) Golden State
11) Utah
12) Houston
13) Washington
14) Toronto
15) Cleveland
16) New Jersey
17) Atlanta


Based off the way teams ARE palying this year I agree with this ranking. The only change is I would put Portland ahead of Denver.
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Post#27 » by Ballings7 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:07 pm

I don't think Orlando's a better team than Utah. I like Utah better, and at least they're on the same level. I also still expect Utah to move up again around where they're expected to be in the west, by the end of the season. Mid-conference area.

YiYaoYue wrote:Orlando is coming back to earth... they need one good player in backcourt to make them more complete...


As well as another rebounder/defender to help Dwight out. He can't do most of that on his own. Foyle in his limited minutes isn't near enough, and two big SFs in Lewis and Hedo won't either.

It's been more of an issue in the regular season than I thought, but it especially will be a problem in the playoffs. As a situation like that would be for any team.

Not sure if Battie will be back to fill that role for them. Which he was supposed to, along with Foyle as third.
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Post#28 » by RoxFan08 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:08 pm

I think Houston is also better than Orlando. Our loss came with Tmac leaving at halftime after playing poorly (and hurt) in the 1st half and shooting 1-10. Our second game was a close victory (yeah, the game with the tip in that probably should have been good) without Tmac.

So we were missing our best player for 1.5 of the 2 games, and were still 1-1.
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Post#29 » by joe.linnen » Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:20 pm

I'm not so sure that Detroit is better than the Western Conference Big 5( Lakers, Spurs, Suns, Mavericks, and Portland. I feel that the TrailBlazers would at least take the Pistons to a 6 or 7 games series. The Mavericks could withstand them if dirk can keep his nerve. The Sun can beat them if they could keep the Pistons off blance by controlling the tempo( don't get into a scoring match with these guys). The Spurs would just beat them in the ground plus they have a better bench as well. The Lakers have the better bench and the best player in leauge, lakers in 6 games.


This is how I would rank them:

San Antonio
Boston
LA Lakers
Phoenix
Dallas
Detroit
Portland
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Post#30 » by GSWhoopfan » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:40 pm

joe.linnen wrote:I'm not so sure that Detroit is better than the Western Conference Big 5( Lakers, Spurs, Suns, Mavericks, and Portland. I feel that the TrailBlazers would at least take the Pistons to a 6 or 7 games series. The Mavericks could withstand them if dirk can keep his nerve. The Sun can beat them if they could keep the Pistons off blance by controlling the tempo( don't get into a scoring match with these guys). The Spurs would just beat them in the ground plus they have a better bench as well. The Lakers have the better bench and the best player in leauge, lakers in 6 games.


This is how I would rank them:

San Antonio
Boston
LA Lakers
Phoenix
Dallas
Detroit
Portland


i really dont care for the Pistons, but you are underestimating this squad. they are much greater than the Blazers (i like to Blazers fwiw) who are having an amazing season. the Pistons are on another level. a more superior level. i dont even know if the suns could beat them. Detroit plays rugged, tough, and smart basketball.
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Post#31 » by MagicalMan » Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:50 pm

RoxFan08 wrote:I think Houston is also better than Orlando. Our loss came with Tmac leaving at halftime after playing poorly (and hurt) in the 1st half and shooting 1-10. Our second game was a close victory (yeah, the game with the tip in that probably should have been good) without Tmac.

So we were missing our best player for 1.5 of the 2 games, and were still 1-1.


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Post#32 » by sabi » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:24 pm

Jules Winnfield wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Spykes, good sir. Let me explain something to you. This entire website is full of people stating their opinions. You haven't shown any evidence to refute the point that Washington could not beat those teams. All you're doing is mentioning past REGULAR season results as indicative of future playoff performance. It is all opinion, sir.
Portland beat Washington pretty easily last year and stopped Arenas during the time he was on a scoring rampage. That's why you gotta back up you're far fetched claims, even though it's just your own opinion; especially after the way you stated that Washington was better than Portland like if it was common knowledge.
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Post#33 » by Kosar86 » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:28 pm

Craig McDermott wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



That was flukish. LA went on an 8-10 min scoring drought, not due to much pressure from Cleveland's vicious defense. I would think LA has worked that kink out of their game by now (certainly by the time a theoretical Finals takes place).


lol.

Once the cavs finally got lebron back from injury and varejo back, and both got a few games in them, 8-2 in their last 10.
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Post#34 » by indilakeshow » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:31 pm

GreenWithEnvy wrote:this thread is full of laughs...New Jersey has NO identity. They really aren't consistently better than ANYONE in the East. Cleveland-Lakers is a videogame series. Those teams are NOT getting to the finals. thats a laugh.
Washington will not be able to contest with teams in the playoffs because thats where the stars shine and as much as i love Caron Butler's game he isn't a guy that can take over a game. Neither is Jamison anymore.
Orlando is Andre Miller away from being completely legit in the East.

These threads make me laugh too because were essentially talking about 3rd-8th places because these teams have NO chance of beating Boston or Detroit in a 7 game series.


What an ignorant statement... jamison's 21 ppg and almost 11rpg is pretty weak youre right greenwithenvy... my favorite statement by far though is "the playorrs because thats where the stars shine" apparently gilbert was traded and I didnt read about it :crazy:
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Post#35 » by conleyorbust » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:54 pm

sabi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Portland beat Washington pretty easily last year and stopped Arenas during the time he was on a scoring rampage. That's why you gotta back up you're far fetched claims, even though it's just your own opinion; especially after the way you stated that Washington was better than Portland like if it was common knowledge.


I don't like the practice of looking at who beat who.

Atlanta has beaten, Dallas, Phoeinix, Utah, and Denver and has lost to San Antonio and New Orleans. Since they are a .500 (above that if you consider that they will crush Miami twice in one night to make up for the indignity), does that mean they could hang with the west elite?
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Post#36 » by AKBlazerFan » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:34 pm

I dont know who has had the tougher schedule, portland or Washington...But i do know Portland has a better record, in a much tougher conference. So thats my reasoning to say Portland is better than Washington.

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Post#37 » by CupcakeNoFillin » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:46 am

HMM LETS SEE.

The Orlando Magic are the 3rd seed in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 24-16.

The Warriors, if they beat the Pacers today, will have the SAME EXACT RECORD as the Magic, yet Golden State will only be the 8th seed in the Western Conference. Also, even though Golden State is the 8th seed in the West, they are still only 4 games behind the 1st seed in their conference. That shows how close teams are in the West. If Golden State played in the East, they would be a 2nd tier playoff team.

I know that doesn't answer the OP's question, but it does put things in some perspective (I think).
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Post#38 » by Alex_De_Large » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:05 am

Better:

Utah
San Antonio
Dallas
Phoenix
Houston
NO.



Better on the paper:

Denver
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Post#39 » by IggyTheBEaST » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:29 am

Houston
N.O.
Golden State

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Post#40 » by Balls » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:05 am

The only good thing that comes from the east is the sun.

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