Trade Deadline-Your hopes and expectations?

[blazersmaniac8]

I still belive in sergio however if we do in fact have to part with him to get rid of miles I'm all for it, same with jack. Still though sergio is a vital part to this team IMO. Look at webster he didn't play good till his 3rd year since he became pro so young and I think the same will happen with Sergio.

[Butter]

Quick had a interesting comment in his chat today. It should be noted that his comments are strictly his own gut feeling that he has got after watching the team. But he said, particularly after watching the New Jersey game, he believes the Blazers are more open than ever to moving Sergio. He thinks that the team isn't really pleased with the lack of progress being shown by Sergio right now. During the NJ game, the Blazers had a 14 point lead at one point, then Nate put Sergio in and the lead dwindled to 7, at which point Nate took Sergio out and the team regained control of th game. It also shouldn't shock anyone that Nate and Sergio aren't exactly a perfect match.

Anyway, long-story-short, Quick believes that from now until the end of the season, it's going to be an audition between Jack and Sergio to see which one the Blazers should keep and which one they will have to move.

Especially if Koponen can replace Sergio's potential. However, as others have said, the big, huge, fat, X-Factor is Rudy. If the Blazers were to trade Jack and/or Sergio, and then Rudy doesn't come over, the Blazers might be pretty screwed.

[hkphooey]

Jack plays Rudy's role so we won't need Jack with Rudy in the fold. Sergio then would be our only credible backup to Blake unless Taurean shows some progress towards the end of the season - which I think he would if he were given PT.

I'm all for trading Sergio because I think his value is very high around the league, although I'm not convinced yet that we have given him enough time to truly evaluate what we have. He is an incredible playmaker, but a horrible defender, if we can get a really great piece in return for him than I say we do it.

Saying all of this though, KP does his best work in the draft so maybe we wait for the draft day trades.

[Yadadimean]

Trade our next 2 firsts and 2nds to minnesota for their 1st.

[Mr Odd]

After this Celtic game & thinking back on the
Jazz game, we really need a player that can
pound & rebound in a bad way. I think next
season Oden will most likely help in that area
but even then the Blazers are going to need
atleast one more guy to help Przy & Oden.. .

The Blazers seem to have trouble with teams
that have that style.. .the basketbrawl type
teams. I mean, look at the Mavs and the Suns,
theyve had many great teams over the years
but they always have trouble with rough teams.
I just dont want the Blazers to end up like that.

But then again who would you trade away?? Just
about everyone has done well at some point or
another & theyre all great kids.. .But at some point,
and I think it has to be soon, the Blazers are going
to need a pound and rebound type guy to go with
Przy and then Oden next season, might aswell try
and get that guy this season.. .Its tricky tho because
you dont want to mess with this team to much.. .

[mojomarc]

Think we can trade Jack or Sergio plus a pick for Big Baby?

[blazersmaniac8]

i think jack/sergio have higher value atm, hopefully freeland will be that banger but if not theres TONS of bangers in every draft, and this year we may use the pick we buy in the later part of the 1st towards a jr/sr outta college banger.

[Norm2953]

I severely doubt any trade will happen unless someone
gives us an offer we can't refuse.

I think this season is for evaluating the roster prior to
Greg Oden's arrival. I can see Portland moving JJ, Frye
and their #1 pick for a better players at either SF or PG
but the time for this trade is in the off season. I think we
need to think about adding an explosive scorer.

[Mr Odd]

I severely doubt any trade will happen unless someone
gives us an offer we can't refuse.

I think this season is for evaluating the roster prior to
Greg Oden's arrival. I can see Portland moving JJ, Frye
and their #1 pick for a better players at either SF or PG
but the time for this trade is in the off season. I think we
need to think about adding an explosive scorer.

Yea - I agree with that but if we dont pick up another
guy who can pound & board the Blazers will be hurting
when they go against teams in the playoffs.. .Also its
true there are plent of bangers around but im not sure
its such a great idea to get another young kid to do the
banging, we need a vet, a nother Przy maybe at the PF.

We need a Kevin Willis type, maybe not that old tho.. .lol.

[Wizenheimer]

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Yea - I agree with that but if we dont pick up another
guy who can pound & board the Blazers will be hurting
when they go against teams in the playoffs.. .Also its
true there are plent of bangers around but im not sure
its such a great idea to get another young kid to do the
banging, we need a vet, a nother Przy maybe at the PF.

We need a Kevin Willis type, maybe not that old tho.. .lol.

I know why you say this, but I just don't think we'll know that for certain until Oden gets comfortable in the rotation. Usually, when the other team does damage on the boards, it's when Joel is on the bench. Having the option of having either Oden or Pryzbilla in the game for 42-48 minutes may very well make most of that 'banger-desire' go away.

Furthermore, I anticipate by next season LMA will be better on the boards as well. Not remarkably better, but I'd anticipate he'll add a bit more strength and experience and also help reduce the need for a banger.

Then there's the simple fact of when the theoretical banger would play and who's minutes he'd take. If Oden and Pryzbilla monopolize the C minutes, then LMA will be taking 35 minutes a game at PF. That wouldn't leave a lot of minutes for that banger. However, if he did get minutes at PF, then what happens when the 48 minutes at SF are divided between webster, outlaw, and jones. Outlaw plays at PF now. With Oden added to the frontline, there's going to be a playing time squeeze. I'm not convinced the rotations on the frontline will work with oden-pryzbilla-LMA-outlaw-jones-webster, but it might. Adding another player...a banger... means one of outlaw-webster-jones would have to go...it's simple math.

And you'll notice I didn't include Frye in the above equation. As far as rebounding goes, he's not as bad as people think. His per40 rebounding numbers compared to other bear that out

per40 rebounds

frye...............10.2
millsap...........10.9
C.Wilcox.........10.7
Br. Bass..........9.0
J. Maxiel..........9.4
GlennDavis......9.9
Aldridge...........8.8......

So, considering that a banger...if he was good enough to warrant more then spot minutes....might mean moving Outlaw and Frye to other teams, I'm not sure that another player is the best solution.

Like many things with this team, patience might be the solution here as well. Adding Oden next season, along with another year of maturity for LMA and Frye might very well eliminate the need for inside muscle. Another year of maturity for martell may help as well as I think he has the capacity to be a dynamite rebounder from the SF position.

[hkphooey]

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Yea - I agree with that but if we dont pick up another
guy who can pound & board the Blazers will be hurting
when they go against teams in the playoffs.. .Also its
true there are plent of bangers around but im not sure
its such a great idea to get another young kid to do the
banging, we need a vet, a nother Przy maybe at the PF.

We need a Kevin Willis type, maybe not that old tho.. .lol.

Atlanta needs a point guard and Atlanta has one of the best young bangers in the business - Shelden Williams - who also happens to be great friends with McBob.

[hkphooey]

Think we can trade Jack or Sergio plus a pick for Big Baby?

Atlanta needs a point guard and Atlanta has one of the best young bangers in the business - Shelden Williams - who also happens to be great friends with McBob.

[Wizenheimer]

just to add to my post above...

if it's another rebounder that's needed, maybe use the MLE this summer because there will be some rebounders available as unrestricted free agents.

DeSagana Diop
Eduardo Najera
Kurt Thomas

of course Jamaal Magloire will be a free agent again as well.

Brandon Bass will be UFA in 2009...he may be worth going after

[Wizenheimer]

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Atlanta needs a point guard and Atlanta has one of the best young bangers in the business - Shelden Williams - who also happens to be great friends with McBob.

just how is he that great a 'banger'. His rebounding rate is only 0.9 rebounds per 40 minutes better then Frye's...and thats not very significant. He also is nearly devoid of offense and only shoots 37% from the floor. That's rather pathetic for a banger. You couldn't have him and pryzbilla on the floor at the same time...no offensive threat from the 2 power positions would be a real bad idea.

he also makes 3.1 million so to get him it would have to be frye and sergio, or frye and jack

he ain't worth it...not even close.

[UGotThrilled]

You know what I would like to see is that we finish the season off and see how we do. During the summer, because we already have a large collection of current roster spots, I would like to see us trade our picks or some players for some future draft picks. It would be a nice surprise if three years down the road we realized... hey, we have a few extra picks that we got from players we didnt need and didnt have room for. Our roster is full now, but who knows about then.

[Norm2953]

Sometimes I wonder about what type of team we will need to
build around Greg Oden.

We know the keepers are Oden, Roy and LA but sometimes I
wonder if a Buck Williams or Maurice Lucas type of PF is
needed and whether LA is going to be tough enough or mean
enough to complement Oden. Perhaps it is seeing LA getting
abused by Bosh and Garnett and the talk that he needs to gain
15-20 lbs of muscle but It's probably unfair to LA to be that guy
this season. I just don't know come 2-3 years down the line if LA
is going to be that guy.

[UGotThrilled]

Before the year started, I thought that Aldridge was going to surprise everyone and be amazing this year. He has done well, and has great potential. If he can gain an extra 20 pounds within the next few years, I think he could be really tough. But once again, it all depends on who you are comparing him to. We have had him at center sometimes this year, where he obviously isnt ideal, as he doesnt rebound too well and isnt quite as intimidating. But if you put him at PF (which is what he is) then he is bigger than a fair amount of guys, and is still definitely improving. So, I guess he is slightly disappointing, but I think he will be good when all is said and done.

[Yadadimean]

Frye and a Euro or a couple 2nd round picks for Brandon Bass?

[hkphooey]

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just how is he that great a 'banger'. His rebounding rate is only 0.9 rebounds per 40 minutes better then Frye's...and thats not very significant. He also is nearly devoid of offense and only shoots 37% from the floor. That's rather pathetic for a banger. You couldn't have him and pryzbilla on the floor at the same time...no offensive threat from the 2 power positions would be a real bad idea.

he also makes 3.1 million so to get him it would have to be frye and sergio, or frye and jack

he ain't worth it...not even close.

You can't use per 40 on Shelden because at 12MPG there isn't enough time to get any sort of rhythm. His per 40's last season were in the top 5 when given 18MPG. Frye gets about 18MPG this season so if you wanted to compare apples then we should compare Shelden's previous season to Frye's current season.

I suppose your argument about not having enough minutes to go around at the forward spot is something to look at, but I'm pretty sure Shelden beats Frye in a rebounding battle any day. Oh yeah - he's also pretty good at blocking shots and at 280, he's a tough little ball to handle down low. Think of him as the modern version of Brian Grant...

[RayBourque]

I agree that we could use some more toughness and effort on the inside, and that it wouldn't hurt if we had that person to help Oden/Pryz/LMA and ?? (Frye?) in future seasons.

This will probably throw some posters into a tailspin, but what about Noah? At least the guy is showing he cares about winning. He's super active in the paint and he's on the same timeline as the rest of the team. He doesn't need his number called a lot on offense so our shooter can still shoot and maybe we'll actually have someone under the boards to clean up more often. He doesn't help with the veteran experience factor but I see that as less of an issue than hustle and effort in the paint.

PS - Consider this more of a brainstorming effort than a carefully crafted plan. I just listened to Chad Ford's Daily Dish and they were discussing Noah's situation in Chicago.