nj + pdx + dallas

[Mr Odd]

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Bottom line is this, do you really think that any package that involves Jason Kidd going to the Nets nets only Stackhouse? I would have to think that Harris would be needed, so him going to Portland is beyond me. Either way its almost February, LET THE RUMORS FLY!!!

Yea im sure there would be many more players
added if somehow that deal were to be pulled off.

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OT: The ESPN Coast to Coast guys both had
Roy on their All-Star bench players list.. .

[Wizenheimer]

So I guess the next question is does everybody believe that KP would actually be deeply involved in these negotiations?...or is it just reporter's conjecture?

It is Jason Kidd, and i imagine if KP saw an opportunity for mild robbery he's put on his bandana

[Mr Odd]

So I guess the next question is does everybody believe that KP would actually be deeply involved in these negotiations?...or is it just reporter's conjecture?

It is Jason Kidd, and i imagine if KP saw an opportunity for mild robbery he's put on his bandana

If he feels it makes the team better, yes.
I mean Kidd is a great player plus his
contract is ending soon. So if Pritchard
feels either of those two are better then
what is being traded away, then yes.. .

[Butter]

Devin Harris, really? IMO, the Blazers need a PG who can hit three's from the perimeter. The one upside of Harris is that he can break down the defense and score in the paint. Ehh, I'm not crazy about it.

[TBpup]

CALLING TBpup - Come in TBpup
Do you read me?? Over.. .

Know anything about this??

Mr. Odd....'know'? Hmm....'know' would be so definitive and you know I can't do that...lol. Remember all the flack I got for the "Shorts" thread yet look how big that turned out to be...and it's still unfinished.

I think a three-way may be even tougher than a 2-team deal. NJ could give up Kidd and get back salaries equal in something like Raef LaFrentz and Jerry Stackhouse. After that it gets complicated. Portland would have to take back equal to LaFrentz salary without infringing on their '09 cap room unless it was a deal good enough to warrant cutting into that space. Devin Harris merely complicates the deal. And Dallas would have to find a way to give back around $18MM-22MM in salary....tough to do without giving up major players like Howard and he is a BYC.

Portland would entertain thoughts of Harris but his PPP status is tough to work around (although don't underestimate Penn) and Portland might end up having to take back more players than they shipped out...which there isn't room for.

A lot of obstacles.....

[Mr Odd]

I know many people think Pritchard wont
trade because hes afraid of messing up
the team chemistry but I think he knows
aslong as the core players are good guys
the rest of the players will follow that.. .

So outside of bringing in a a-hole to the
team or a core guy being traded, two thing
which Pritchard would never do, I think the
team chemistry would be fine if a trade were
to go down. But thats just my opinion.. .

[Billy]

It would certainly be interesting if Harris was involved. I think I said something earlier today half joking that I'd take Harris if Portland was in on a 3-way... never thought we could even legitimately talk about that.

What I do find a little odd is the given explanation as to why Portland wouldn't want to do it. To me Devin Harris is Devin Harris whether that's injured now or two weeks from now when healed. While I love the thought of Portland getting to the playoffs I don't see management passing on a great point guard prospect that fits into the team Portland has just because he has a bruise on his ankle.

Of course, now, really reading the tea leaves I guess one could construe that if the above is true that Portland would be giving up a PG (Blake) and probably 1-2 key contributors (Jack, Webster, Outlaw). Assuming those guys were key components I suppose you could see why Portland would be fretting the two weeks post trade. Sergio and Roy as the only two capable PG and for the most part the only capable 2's. Jones as possibly your only capable 3. It could get ugly.

Still if I had the shot at D Harris, I take that in a heart beat (obviously within reason).

[PhilipNelsonFan]

Portland should definitely be on board if that's the deal. I'm not a Devin Harris fan, per se, but I'm not a Jack fan either. Harris may be a better fit.

I think Portland should try and coax a fourth team in to resolve the roster space issue (say, Orlando and their expiring deals).

[breaker91]

The problem with this deal is that I don't see the Mavs willing to move Harris for Kidd. On the trade board most of their fans were adamant that he is not going anywhere, neither is J-Ho.

[Billy]

I'm usually not too big on trade ideas, but I did come up with a little something.

Portland Trades:
Jack (Nets), Frye (Nets), Raef (Nets), Green (Mavs)

Portland Receives:
Magloire (Nets)
Harris (Mavs)
Stackhouse (Mavs)

Dallas Trades:
Diop (Nets)
George (Nets)
Harris (Blazers)
Stackhouse (Blazers)
Howard/Bass (Nets)

Dallas Receives:
Kidd (Nets)
Green (Blazers)

Nets Trade:
Kidd (Mavs)
Magloire (Blazers)

Nets Receive:
Raef (Blazers)
Jack (Blazers)
Frye (Blazers)
Diop (Mavs)
George (Mavs)
Howard/Bass (Mavs)

Link

Trying it on the RealGM trade checker substituting Howard for Bass didn't seem to work. Not sure if there is enough play there or not. But I do know that the Mavs would most likely show 0 interest in moving Bass.

I would suspect that there would be some major sticking points:

1. The Nets take back a lot more than they send out. The Nets currently have 13 guys under contract so they can take on an additional two players. In this scenario they send out Magloire and Kidd but get back 6 guys meaning that 2 have to be removed somehow. I'd guess that Howard and George could be bought out.

2. George would have to agree to the deal. While initially I figured he wouldn't agree at all to this kind of a deal the fact he may be able to get a chunk of cash and then sign on with a team like Boston might be enough enticement to sign off.

3. The Mavs part with a lot of size and get none back. Kidd's a great rebounder, but he's not Diop. Possibly McRoberts could be thrown in from Portland?

4. Mav's are said to be very high on Stackhouse, I'm not sure if they'd want to part with him knowing that he'd be huge in their run.

5. Portland really is a mess at the guard spots. Blake/Sergio/Harris and Roy/Stackhouse seems manageable somewhat, but Stackhouse is going to want to play and Portland will no doubt want to stick with playing Jones, Webster and Outlaw the same way. I assume that Stackhouse could slide rather nicely into Jacks old role though.

[Dakotah612]

Devin Harris complements Brandon Roy to a frickin' T. However, his contract makes this trade nearly impossible.

[PDXKnight]

I know many people think Pritchard wont
trade because hes afraid of messing up
the team chemistry but I think he knows
aslong as the core players are good guys
the rest of the players will follow that.. .

So outside of bringing in a a-hole to the
team or a core guy being traded, two thing
which Pritchard would never do, I think the
team chemistry would be fine if a trade were
to go down. But thats just my opinion.. .

I agree. I also think KP is blowing smoke by saying that he won't trade away a player because of the chemistry right now. Granted, he obviously won't trade away a core player (as you said) but I could definitely see him trading Sergio, Jack, Frye, Martell, ect., but a good deal would have to come around for him to listen.

[SoHo]

Here is one I found, it clearly ruins our free agency 09 plans, but if we take on Harris I think that is somewhat of a given. It also gives us Hassell who can round out our rotation, clearly his contract is less than desirable, but at least it isn't longer than Miles'? haha

Portland Out:
Raef LaFrentz
Jarret Jack
Martell Webster
08 First
In:
Devin Harris
Trenton Hassell

Dallas Out:
Devin Harris
Jerry Stackhouse
DeSagna Diop
Trenton Hassell
In:
Jason Kidd
Malik Allen

New Jersey Out:
Jason Kidd
Malik Allen
In:
Raef LaFrentz
Jarret Jack
Martell Webster
Jerry Stackhouse
DeSagna Diop
Portland 08 First

Alternatively you can switch out Hassell, send Stack to PDX, and then add George and Ager to NJ. Clearly preferable for us, and perhaps also for NJ as Ager and George expire earlier than Stack. George I assume would be bought out.

[Billy]

IF Harris were involved and coming to Portland I'd have to think that the trade off was "spending" that free agency money a year and a half early.

Seems like there are some pretty diverse 3 way options between the three teams surprisingly.

[SoHo]

^Yeah I was messing around for a bit, and there are quite a few ways to get it done. The three teams work pretty well together. The biggest challenge is trying to keep the Dallas roster mostly intact, as well as trading a smaller number of players to NJ.

In my mind it depends on how much Dallas is willing to part with, if they will send out Harris, Stack, and Diop then I can see it getting done.

In fact it actually isn't even that hard to substitute Dampier in instead of Stack and Diop... The number of possibilities and the fact that Penn is involved makes me think that this could be an actual discussion.

[DanBlazer]

Another trade that works would be:

Portland sends: Raef, Blake, Jack, Frye, 08 1st
Portland Recieves: Devin Harris, Dampier

Dallas sends: Stackhouse, Fazekas, Devin Harris, Devean George, Dampier
Dallas recieves: Kidd, Blake, Jason Collins

NJ sends: Kidd, Collins
NJ recieves: Raef, Jack, Frye, Por 08 1st, George, Fazekas, Stackhouse

Dampier's contract is terrible but we still get Devin Harris so who really cares, and keep Martell in the process. I don't think the FA money in 2009 would be needed really if we made this trade anyway.

[trentsdad]

I was watching when they mentioned it on nba coast to coast and they never mentioned what Portland would give up..

I would still rather have Kidd

[Yadadimean]

Another trade that works would be:

Portland sends: Raef, Blake, Jack, Frye, 08 1st
Portland Recieves: Devin Harris, Dampier

Dallas sends: Stackhouse, Fazekas, Devin Harris, Devean George, Dampier
Dallas recieves: Kidd, Blake, Jason Collins

NJ sends: Kidd, Collins
NJ recieves: Raef, Jack, Frye, Por 08 1st, George, Fazekas, Stackhouse

Dampier's contract is terrible but we still get Devin Harris so who really cares, and keep Martell in the process. I don't think the FA money in 2009 would be needed really if we made this trade anyway.

I like this deal. I don't like giving up Jack AND Frye, but I do like keeping Martel. Plus its a possibility that Bass could be picked up as a UFA for a piece of the MLE when his contract is up so maybe losing Frye isnt all that bad.

[Mr Odd]

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I like this deal. I don't like giving up Jack AND Frye, but I do like keeping Martel. Plus its a possibility that Bass could be picked up as a UFA for a piece of the MLE when his contract is up so maybe losing Frye isnt all that bad.

I dont see Blake & Jack both being traded.
I cant see just Devin, Sergio and Green as
the Blazers PGs. I think Blake would prob
stay & have Blake & Devin battle it out.. .

[borgradr]

Looking at the trade checker, I think a 3 way with these teams would simply require large numbers of players to accommodate Harris' PPP. The fact that Paul Allen could either send cash to trading partners or buy out 1 or more players makes me think Portland could be a great facilitator for the two other teams.

My favorite so far would be something like:

NJ: Kidd, Armstrong and Wright for Diop, Webster, Jack, Stack and Lafrentz

The Nets get some very solid young guys in Diop, Webster and Jack. Stackhouse is tough as nails and allows them to move Carter. Lafrentz ends up looking like a pretty nice trading piece come a year from now (his salary size seems to work well for these big time trades).

Dallas: Diop, Terry, Stackhouse and Harris for Kidd, Blake, Wright and Armstrong

Mavs get Kidd and a fine backup for him in Blake. Wright and Armstrong are decent roll players who can fill in the blanks. They also end up reducing their salary obligations significantly after 2009 giving them plenty of opportunity to resign Kidd when the time comes. A triad of Kidd, Nowitski and Howard would be deadly.

Portland: Lafrentz, Webster, Jack, Blake, for Harris and Terry

Note: Portland probably needs to send out some combination of cash and picks to both teams in order to facilitate this and that's probably fine.


By bringing in Harris, the 2009 cap space plan is obviously going out the window so the addition of Terry's very large and long salary ends up being acceptable. Plus, Terry has always seemed like a perfect third guard for this team and I frankly love the idea of starting Harris at the point.