"Webber is my best center." --Don Nelson-- Feb 9,

Post #21 » by **FNQ** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:53 am

Apres Moi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Tayshaun?

Giving LB credit for Tayshaun is like giving Nellie credit for Biedrins... Tayshaun had begun to break out in the playoffs of his rookie season.. LB refined his game and got him to play his type of basketball..

That is a much different scenario then getting someone acclimated to the game and developing their own talents...

Post #22 » by **floppymoose** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:58 am

I can't get excited about this. I read the story and my take is that Nellie thinks Andris is his best center.

I'm much more upset about Nellie's actual player rotations than I am about what he says to Kawakami.

Sid the Squid · Post #23 » by **Sid the Squid** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:04 am

floppymoose wrote:I can't get excited about this. I read the story and my take is that Nellie thinks Andris is his best center.

I'm much more upset about Nellie's actual player rotations than I am about what he says to Kawakami.

What about the 3 times this season Nellie has said that "the center spot is my weakest position".

I'm sorry Flop..but that makes no sense at all..And should make you very nervous.

nbenmargi · Post #24 » by **nbenmargi** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:40 am

I find it laughable how much criticism Nellie gets on this board. Like any of you guys know **** about coaching. It's been said over and over again; Nellie see's these guys practice night in and night out. Nellie is the single most important person in the Warriors incredible turnaround from a 12 year lottery team to a team that can make some noise in the playoffs. Nellie is the second winningest coach in NBA history.

But you armchair geniuses know what's really best for this team, right?

Post #25 » by **Sleepy51** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:48 am

Are you pleased with how startng Webber is working out? Do you feel Beans is playing enough?

We've heard plenty from the "hater" side. Hows about you guys start presenting the actual merits of your argument. Give us something to chew on besides "Nellie has 1200 wins." We know that already.

Post #26 » by **FNQ** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:21 am

I dont know about you... I dont need a ring to be happy... I'm perfectly content with my 'We-Made-Noise-In-The-Playoffs" faux gold necklace... of course it leaves my neck green but they can't take away what we did... it will be etched in the minds of all basketball fans forever...

nbenmargi · Post #27 » by **nbenmargi** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:33 am

I'm actually undecided on Webber starting. It's only been 3 games and our record is 2-1. I agree with Nellie however that Webber will probably be most effective starting. He's a old guy and he might have trouble with coming into the game completely cold off the bench. This way he knows when he's going on and he has time to warm up a bit before playing.

I actually think Webber challenging Beans for playing time is a good thing. I also think that the two have looked good while playing together.

What you guys need to realize is that Nellie is concerned with one thing and that's wins. We're 31-20.

Post #28 » by **Sleepy51** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:37 am

nbenmargi wrote:IWe didn't lose that terribly played game, so It doesn't bother me

Edited for clarity.

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #29 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:58 pm

I don't know if Webber is better right now than POB. POB may not understand the game and POB may have no heart but POB moves his feet better than Webber does now and POB is longer than Webber.

But Nellie was never going to play POB. Is Webber a better back up center than Harrington? I don't like seing Harrington play center so I am happy if Webber gets the back up center minutes. The Warriors are clearly a much better team when Biedrins is on the floor.

I can't tell the part of Webber's decline from being out of shape, from the part of Webber's decline that comes from being old.

Back up Center is still a weak spot for the Warriors. The back up center situation is made worse by the fowards being weak defensive rebounders as a group.

RayRe · Post #30 » by **RayRe** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:49 pm

Left*My*Heart · Post #31 » by **Left*My*Heart** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:10 am

With the addition of Webber, I was hoping that Biedrins wouldn't play as much. Not because I'm a fan of CWebb, the exact opposite...I just don't expect much from him and I want Biedrins to be fresh for the playoffs if there is such a thing..

Croshere was supposed to get minutes at center, but as we know he isn't playing. I think Nellie had hoped that he would have been able to spell Biedrins and that is what I view CWebb as...a back up center to provide meaningful rest for Biedrins. Biedrins was burned out before the the end of last season and Nelson said he needed to watch his minutes closely. We need Biedrins fresh for the stretch run.

Souvlaki · Post #32 » by **Souvlaki** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:11 am

Inserting Webber into the starting lineup has fooked up the chemistry and offense. It's the exact reason I was fine with delaying our rookie development for the season. The Warriors had the best record in the league since Jackson came back. You don't fix what isn't broken.

If we were going to screw with things it would've been better to be doing it for the sake of the future rather than to give Webber one last gasp at NBA life. And actually, starting Wright instead of Webber would probably have a less significant negative impact on the chemistry and team. Anyone who both defends Nelly right now and bashes LF510 for wanting to play Wright, has no credibility.

Souvlaki · Post #33 » by **Souvlaki** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:14 am

Left*My*Heart wrote: Biedrins was burned out before the the end of last season and Nelson said he needed to watch his minutes closely. We need Biedrins fresh for the stretch run.

Yeah, he also said the same thing about Baron. And what? Baron leads the league in MPG this year? Nelly often says a lot of BS that doesn't mean anything.

old rem · Post #34 » by **old rem** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:26 am

MbengaforMVP wrote:Red Auberach and Bob Knight combined couldn't have stopped the Knicks from sucking.

Sleepy51: As it happens, I also have a time machine. Webber gets traded to the Knicks in July for David Lee, Nate Robinson and their draft picks for the next 15 years. Isiah Thomas signs a 30 year contract, and Stephon Marbury is found dead in his apartment with two puncture wounds in his neck and most of his blood gone. Incidentally, Isiah Thomas hasn't been seen outside during the day since May of '08.

My time Machine was saying the same thing. It was a software error. We only get 2 picks and one is top 10 protected till 2015.....then it turns into a rd 2 and tickets to see "Cats" on Broadway. :evil:

As for Marbury....sad end to a career but about what I expected.

Post #35 » by **Sleepy51** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:38 am

Souvlaki wrote:Inserting Webber into the starting lineup has fooked up the chemistry and offense. It's the exact reason I was fine with delaying our rookie development for the season. The Warriors had the best record in the league since Jackson came back. You don't fix what isn't broken.

If we were going to screw with things it would've been better to be doing it for the sake of the future rather than to give Webber one last gasp at NBA life. And actually, starting Wright instead of Webber would probably have a less significant negative impact on the chemistry and team.

I think it's fooked up the defense much more than the offense, and our D was substantially fooked and fragile to begin with.

The offense is fooked because Baron is about the worst good player in the league when it comes to dealing with chemistry issues or changes. I mean yeah, Webber's the catalyst, but that lets Baron off the hook for his negative reaction. I understand why he's discombobulated, but that doesn't mean I think it's ok that he reacts that way.Nellie shouldn't a done it, and Baron shoulda risen above it if he did.

But the defense on the other hand is 100% fooked because Webber is old and crippled. No he's not playing a lot of minutes, but teams get an extra 10 minutes of warmups while he staggers around the court after tipoff. That changes the dynamic of the game from then on even if he never touches the court again.

FaTaL · Post #36 » by **FaTaL** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:38 am

webber doesnt seem to have anything offensively or defensively these days

Post #37 » by **Sleepy51** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:43 am

FaTaL wrote:webber doesnt seem to have anything offensively or defensively these days

That's a REAL early call to make on the offensive end. Smart, gimpy, big players have helped offenses before. He's basically the black Sabonis. Webber can add something positive once he fits in. (P.S. note to big slow dude: fitting in does not = demanding starting promises from the coach. Glad to see you grew up. :roll:

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It's the defensive end where he's a traveshamockery. We're going to have to make wholesale changes to how we approach D if the NBA isn't going to let him ride his Rascal on the court.

MbengaforMVP · Post #38 » by **MbengaforMVP** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:54 am

Sleepy51 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That's a REAL early call to make on the offensive end. Smart, gimpy, big players have helped offenses before. He's basically the black Sabonis. Webber can add something positive once he fits in. (P.S. note to big slow dude: fitting in does not = demanding starting promises from the coach. Glad to see you grew up. )

It's the defensive end where he's a traveshamockery. We're going to have to make wholesale changes to how we approach D if the NBA isn't going to let him ride his Rascal on the court.

Black Sabonis my ass. Sabonis was bigger, stronger, a better shooter and one of the best passers of his generation. Except for the passing, which he still might be able to pull off, I don't see Webber with any of those traits. In the meantime, don't start him; put him in during non-critical points in the game so he can get accustomed to playing with the team, then ease him into a more important role if he looks to be making a positive impact. (I've not seen it so far)

Sid the Squid · Post #39 » by **Sid the Squid** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:00 am

Webber's been fine...He's had back to back good 3rd Q stints...The start of the game was all about Baron..Webber struggled a little bit..He could use a shot blocker in there with him, that's for sure..Smallball takes it toll...But Chris was not the problem last night.

Souvlaki · Post #40 » by **Souvlaki** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:00 am

MbengaforMVP wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Black Sabonis my ass. Sabonis was bigger, stronger, a better shooter and one of the best passers of his generation. Except for the passing, which he still might be able to pull off, I don't see Webber with any of those traits. In the meantime, don't start him; put him in during non-critical points in the game so he can get accustomed to playing with the team, then ease him into a more important role if he looks to be making a positive impact. (I've not seen it so far)

Oh, but no. We can't let him tighten up on the bench between tip off and 8 minutes into the first quarter.

:noway:

Didn't Mullin and Nelly see that his age was a problem when he was with Detroit last season? I saw it and it made me all warm inside and laugh a little. WTF were they looking at?