If you were GM, would you trade Shard after 1 season?

[maginno]

That's why Hedo's number's are up, and a lot of you hacks think Shard is a bust. Rashard is still the 2nd most important player on this team, we all need to remember that.

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The only hack that has brought up the issue of Shard being a bust is you so you must be speaking to a mirror. The only player you wouldn't consider moving is Dwight. PERIOD. Hedo is having a good year because Hedo is having a good year. Shard helps the team in general because its a team sport but claiming that Shard is mainly responsible for Hedo putting the ball in the basket is silly. The guy is just having a great year. Shard and Hedo are tied for the second most important player. Shard disappear far too often in a game to do without Hedo. Face it he's a good player tha got paid like a superstar that he will never be.

Of course you can say with confidence that Rashard isn't going anywhere. Its near impossible with that huge contract (never say never though. This year some strange things happened). Hedo is the only tradeable piece.

[Potterman]

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The only hack that has brought up the issue of Shard being a bust is you so you must be speaking to a mirror. The only player you wouldn't consider moving is Dwight. PERIOD. Hedo is having a good year because Hedo is having a good year. Shard helps the team in general because its a team sport but claiming that Shard is mainly responsible for Hedo putting the ball in the basket is silly. The guy is just having a great year. Shard and Hedo are tied for the second most important player. Shard disappear far too often in a game to do without Hedo. Face it he's a good player tha got paid like a superstar that he will never be.

Of course you can say with confidence that Rashard isn't going anywhere. Its near impossible with that huge contract (never say never though. This year some strange things happened). Hedo is the only tradeable piece.

If you ask me the word bust is never thrown out there but by your words the definition of bust is coming out.

Per Dictionary.com

Bust -
a failure
or also
to bankrupt; ruin financially

So by your tone you are automatically calling Lewis a bust. Lets break down this one sentence.

"Face it he's a good player tha got paid like a superstar that he will never be."

Face it he's a good player = compliment..you can say nice things.

That got paid like a superstar = high finicial strain seeing as he is just a good player.

...that he will never be = BUST

You have by your own words condemned him as a player for the entire aspect of his game and contract. Do I agree with overpaid well duh. But calling someone who disagrees with you out for reading between the lines like I just did is beneath a classy guy like you.

Throw aside the contract though for a moment. If you ask me Lewis is not responsible for getting rid of the Turkaflu or Hedo's amazing season. But he does in fact create a constant offensive threat that the opponent cannot measure up against. He has been "invisible" in his 18PPG night in and night out. A solid contributor who plays out of position and does allot of hard work but doesnt get any of the credit.

Maybe he deserves to be overpaid based on that thought.

[TheRevTy]

People have stated that Rashard is the reason Hedo is playing so well, and I always agreed, but never fully understanded why. (I know, why did I agree if I didn't know, yada yada). It suddenly dawned on me what the reason is. By having our power forward as a very capable three point shooter, it not only opens up room for Dwight to work, it also opens up the lane for someone to penetrate. As long as Hedo can get by his man, he is free to drive the lane and finish with only Dwight's man to worry about (who has to stay on Dwight because there is always the lob threat.)

This then opened up the idea that a player like Corey Maggette, who has a game that is predicated on slashing, would be a monster on our team. Mo does it a little, but he rarely drives with the ball, only slashes to receive passes. If only Ariza could've hit the outside jumper to keep defenses honest, he would've been unstoppable in our system. I want to see Mo drive more, and maybe this summer pick up a first-class slasher for SG.

I would also like to see one game where Jameer is given the green light to shoot, like Hedo is given in 4th quarters. Kid could easily grab 30+ points if he had that freedom. (Unfortunately, as the PG, he is asked to pass more than shoot, and understandably so)

So THAT is the current value of Rashard on our team.

[spinedoc]

Great posts by Max and Rev. For me its simple, Shard is a 20pt player. What that means to me is that he can go to any team, under practically any condition, and get 20pts a game. Hedo on the other hand, needs to have the right circumstances for his game to flourish, a head coach like Stan who gives him the green light, a serious low post threat, and yes a prolific scorer on the other side of the floor. Without those three things, Hedo goes back to being a normal player.

[maginno]

But calling someone who disagrees with you out for reading between the lines like I just did is beneath a classy guy like you.

Point of correction

1. I called Max out for referring to people as "hacks"
2. The colloquial NBA usage of the word bust is a player that cannot flourish it in the NBA. It is most often used on these forums in reference to JJ (by a few) and Darko (by many). Shard does not fit the category.
3. Agree. I am eminently classy
4. I condemn Shard to nothing but having a great agent. I would have taken the money and ran to Orlando myself.

[maginno]

People have stated that Rashard is the reason Hedo is playing so well, and I always agreed, but never fully understanded why.

Well like I said before having a good player is always going to benefit a team but it isn't the main reason that Hedo is having a good season. That can be easily proven. You mentioned scoring there so lets look at that and take it out of the opinion arena and into facts.

Hedo's Regular and three point FG% is lower than two years ago.

His actual PPG is about 4 points higher in more minutes played. therefore he's taken more shots. How many? given his percentage about 5 with 2 extra baskets. given that he's playing 4 more minutes per game we can easily see that it gives him the opportunity to take a few more shots. Also the sttass cant really be compared until the season is finished but so far the stats indicate that he gets maybe two shots because of Shard.

Frankly the way that Hedo's been playing you could say the same thing of Shard. that he beneifts from playing with Hedo. Of course Shard's numbers are going to be lower since on a better team he has to share the rock more.

At any rate the idea that the main reason for Hedo having a great year is Shard is shown by the numbers to be just short of silly. Without Shard he actually shot a higher percentage. We all saw him go into that Turkoflu time last year. He's merely rebounded from it. Thats his doing. Not Shard's. A year ago he's be wide open and just looked off. Sure Shard has something to do with it but obviously any player of sufficient threat would do the same. 118 million dollars not required.

[Potterman]

1. I called Max out for referring to people as "hacks"

I never said you didn't. I was merely translating his reasoning as to why.

2. The colloquial NBA usage of the word bust is a player that cannot flourish it in the NBA. It is most often used on these forums in reference to JJ (by a few) and Darko (by many). Shard does not fit the category.

The category no. But by definition of our language (outside NBA terms) yes.

3. Agree. I am eminently classy

I can't disagree here.

4. I condemn Shard to nothing but having a great agent. I would have taken the money and ran to Orlando myself.

Well thats a better way of putting how you feel about Shard. In reality...blame Otis!

[maginno]

Well thats a better way of putting how you feel about Shard. In reality...blame Otis!

LOL! You are the first to ever suggest I had a problem with expressing that.

[Potterman]

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LOL! You are the first to ever suggest I had a problem with expressing that.

Maybe you don't...maybe you do. Everyone seems to sugguest that...
1) You hate Shard.
2) He is overpaid thus management sucks
3) Because he is overpaid he sucks.

I merely eliminated issues 1 & 3 in your conversation. Now the management theory...well...yeah....

[TheRevTy]

Many reference Hedo's numbers from last year and say they were down because of his illness. Ok, I'll accept that. What about all the other years? The guy is 29, after all. He isn't some rookie who happened to be hit by the injury bug early on.

[MagicNolesFSU]

Many reference Hedo's numbers from last year and say they were down because of his illness. Ok, I'll accept that. What about all the other years? The guy is 29, after all. He isn't some rookie who happened to be hit by the injury bug early on.

For some reason people think Hedo has always been playing at this level. This just happened over the summer. Something he did, for his national team im guessing, opened his eyes and slowed the game down for him and as a result his confidence has never been higher.

[parso15]

Great posts by Max and Rev. For me its simple, Shard is a 20pt player. What that means to me is that he can go to any team, under practically any condition, and get 20pts a game. Hedo on the other hand, needs to have the right circumstances for his game to flourish, a head coach like Stan who gives him the green light, a serious low post threat, and yes a prolific scorer on the other side of the floor. Without those three things, Hedo goes back to being a normal player.

Nonsense to say the least... not to mention that your 20ppg player is averaging 18 ppg.... whats up with all this Shard is sacraficing his game talk? The guy is surrounded by talented players this year and does what his coach is asking him. If he could do the things that Hedo can don't you think that SVG would give him the ball???
What about Hedo going into the next season with confidence... I think he is the more likely candidate for 23 points.

[Cammo101]

Shard is being punished by short-sighed fans here because he does not hog the ball and try to take over the game when it is not needed. Shard has sacrificed so that Turk could become a stud. There is a reason this exact same team went from 8 seed to 3 seed, and that reason is RASHARD LEWIS.

[thepritz]

No.....Shard goes nowhere.....

Hedo will be the first to go....

Agreed. I dont care what the stats are.. Shard is better.

[TheRevTy]

Part of me wonders how many players, given Turkoglu's freedom this year, particularly in the 4th quarter, could raise production drastically. In other words, every team has one guy who has great numbers. Does that mean every team has a star? Honestly, I don't think so. These guys are NBA players. They can play. Granted some play better than most, but they all, at some point, have had the capability of taking over a game. Yes, even Garrity.

I guess what I'm saying is this: pick a decent swingman. Now give them the roster the Magic have and give them the ball almost every possession. Turn the light to green and never get on them if they take a bad shot. What are their stats? I reckon they'd be pretty good.

Now, I am not saying Hedo is just half decent. I'm saying he has been given freedom, both by the system (coach) and freedom to operate via other players on the court. This can't be overlooked.

[parso15]

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For some reason people think Hedo has always been playing at this level. This just happened over the summer. Something he did, for his national team im guessing, opened his eyes and slowed the game down for him and as a result his confidence has never been higher.

Hedo did show early on that he was talented but he either did not get the right oppurtunity or did loose his confidence (sometimes both)... I thought that he would be eventually a 18ppg 6reb & 6ast guy... finaly he plays like he can.

I hate the fact people can't let go of the role player strerio type they labeled him with ... give credit where credit is due. The guy is and most likely will remain the second most important player for the Magic... learn to live with it!

[parso15]

Part of me wonders how many players, given Turkoglu's freedom this year, particularly in the 4th quarter, could raise production drastically. In other words, every team has one guy who has great numbers. Does that mean every team has a star? Honestly, I don't think so. These guys are NBA players. They can play. Granted some play better than most, but they all, at some point, have had the capability of taking over a game. Yes, even Garrity.

I guess what I'm saying is this: pick a decent swingman. Now give them the roster the Magic have and give them the ball almost every possession. Turn the light to green and never get on them if they take a bad shot. What are their stats? I reckon they'd be pretty good.

Now, I am not saying Hedo is just half decent. I'm saying he has been given freedom, both by the system (coach) and freedom to operate via other players on the court. This can't be overlooked.

Interesting... bother to explain why the coach does not give the ball to Shard? Does he have a personal agenda against him?

[TheRevTy]

Stan has been proven to go with what has worked, regardless of what the "best" option is. He started Arroyo, even after Jameer got healthy, simply because we were on a roll. Hedo is on a role. Go with the hot hand. Unfortunately, Rashard hasn't been given the oppurtunity to become the hot hand. Hedo has played amazingly, I just don't like seeing Rashard thrown under the bus while Hedo is exalted.

[mhectorgato]

Stan has been proven to go with what has worked, regardless of what the "best" option is. He started Arroyo, even after Jameer got healthy, simply because we were on a roll. Hedo is on a role. Go with the hot hand. Unfortunately, Rashard hasn't been given the oppurtunity to become the hot hand. Hedo has played amazingly, I just don't like seeing Rashard thrown under the bus while Hedo is exalted.

Ra$hard i$ overpaid.

[parso15]

Stan has been proven to go with what has worked, regardless of what the "best" option is. He started Arroyo, even after Jameer got healthy, simply because we were on a roll. Hedo is on a role. Go with the hot hand. Unfortunately, Rashard hasn't been given the oppurtunity to become the hot hand. Hedo has played amazingly, I just don't like seeing Rashard thrown under the bus while Hedo is exalted.

I can't start how weird this sounds Shard is a max player believe me all the plans were built with him in mind but face it Hedo has decided to show up... he stole the show because Shard could not step up... he has 118 million reasons to step up & all the excuses from fans don't matter a bit... he is a good player getting paid franchise money.